---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/18/16: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:08 AM - Re: TruTrak Gemini ADI (Guerner Remi) 2. 08:38 AM - Re : TruTrak Gemini ADI ? (John Wigney) 3. 08:56 AM - Re: Re : TruTrak Gemini ADI ? (Bryan Nortje) 4. 09:10 AM - Re: Re : TruTrak Gemini ADI ? (Pete) 5. 09:14 AM - Re: Re : TruTrak Gemini ADI ? (Peter Zutrauen) 6. 09:28 AM - Re: Re : TruTrak Gemini ADI ? (Robert Borger) 7. 10:00 AM - Re: Billett fuel pump. (William Daniell) 8. 10:15 AM - Re: Billett fuel pump. (Robert Borger) 9. 12:10 PM - Re: TruTrak Gemini ADI (Raimo Toivio) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:45 AM PST US From: Guerner Remi Subject: Europa-List: Re: TruTrak Gemini ADI Jacques, I read page 37 and that was one of the reason for my question. I believe the LAA is very conservative. Would TruTrak still be in business today if their products were as bad as the LAA says? Remi <<<< Remi, page 38 of the following document could be of interest to you. http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TechnicalLeaflets/Op erating%20An%20Aircraft/TL%202.28%20Night%20IFR%20assessment.pdf >>>>> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:27 AM PST US From: John Wigney Subject: Europa-List: Re : TruTrak Gemini ADI ? Hi Remi, I have no experience of the Tru Trak Gemini unit and I am also a bit puzzled by their use of a Velocity Vector Pitch Display for attitude indication. If you would like to replace your vacuum gyro display, I suggest that you consider the Grand Rapids Technology range of Mini products - the MiniB, Mini-X and Mini-AP.Grand Rapids is a reliable and very high quality company which has been in the business for many years. For example, they have over 22,000 of their EIS engine instrumentation units in flight. The features and synthetic vision which can be packed into the Mini units are truly remarkable. Jeppesen data bases are available for Europe. I would have no hesitation in using this equipment in actual IMC. For example, 'Highway in the Sky' (HITS) is particularly useful. At a $1,395 base price, the Mini-X unit is excellent value and will drive autopilot servos with basic heading and altitude select, plus GPS tracking. See http://grtavionics.com/mini.html If you scroll down, you will find the list of features. I happen to use a Dynon D10A which lacks many of the Mini features and is more expensive. However, when I bought my equipment, the GRT Mini units were not available. Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S Mooresville, North Carolina ORIGINAL MESSAGE From: Guerner Remi Subject: Europa-List: TruTrak Gemini ADI I am planning to replace my mechanical gyro instruments and get rid of the vacuum system. I am not contemplating a big screen PFD but would install a 3-1/4" electronic AI. The TruTrak Gemini ADI would have my preference, but I am puzzled by the singularity of the pitch display which is not actual pitch attitude. My question to those who are using this instrument is: how easy is it to use it in simulated or actual IMC? Remi Guerner F-PGKL ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:30 AM PST US From: Bryan Nortje Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re : TruTrak Gemini ADI ? Hi John Could you PM me as I have a question for you. Thanks Bryan Sent from my iPhone > On 18 Apr 2016, at 16:35, John Wigney wrote: > > Hi Remi, > > I have no experience of the Tru Trak Gemini unit and I am also a bit puzzl ed by their use of a =9CVelocity Vector Pitch Display=9D for att itude indication. > > If you would like to replace your vacuum gyro display, I suggest that you c onsider the Grand Rapids Technology range of Mini products - the Mini=93 B, Mini-X and Mini-AP. Grand Rapids is a reliable and very high quality com pany which has been in the business for many years. For example, they have o ver 22,000 of their EIS engine instrumentation units in flight. The features and synthetic vision which can be packed into the Mini units are truly rema rkable. Jeppesen data bases are available for Europe. > > I would have no hesitation in using this equipment in actual IMC. For example, 'Highway in the Sky' (HITS) is particularly useful. At a $1,395 base price, the Mini-X unit is excellent value and will drive autopilot ser vos with basic heading and altitude select, plus GPS tracking. See http:// grtavionics.com/mini.html If you scroll down, you will find the list of f eatures. > > I happen to use a Dynon D10A which lacks many of the Mini features and is m ore expensive. However, when I bought my equipment, the GRT Mini units were n ot available. > > Cheers, John > N262WF, mono XS, 912S > Mooresville, North Carolina > > > > ORIGINAL MESSAGE > From: Guerner Remi > Subject: Europa-List: TruTrak Gemini ADI > > > I am planning to replace my mechanical gyro instruments and get rid of the vacuum system. I am not contemplating a big screen PFD but would install a 3 -1/4" electronic AI. The TruTrak Gemini ADI would have my preference, but I a m puzzled by the singularity of the pitch display which is not actual pitch a ttitude. > My question to those who are using this instrument is: how easy is it to u se it in simulated or actual IMC? > Remi Guerner > F-PGKL > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:29 AM PST US From: Pete Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re : TruTrak Gemini ADI ? To add to john's endorsement, the Dynon will tumble if air data is lost (ici ng for example) where as the GRT will not due to some very clever and propri etary coding (and it is not dependent upon GOS either). I'm told also that o ne can fly a std rate turn all day and the GRT will not error-out and level. ... Cheers, Pete > On Apr 18, 2016, at 11:35 AM, John Wigney wrot e: > > Hi Remi, > > I have no experience of the Tru Trak Gemini unit and I am also a bit puzzl ed by their use of a =9CVelocity Vector Pitch Display=9D for att itude indication. > > If you would like to replace your vacuum gyro display, I suggest that you c onsider the Grand Rapids Technology range of Mini products - the Mini=93 B, Mini-X and Mini-AP. Grand Rapids is a reliable and very high quality com pany which has been in the business for many years. For example, they have o ver 22,000 of their EIS engine instrumentation units in flight. The features and synthetic vision which can be packed into the Mini units are truly rema rkable. Jeppesen data bases are available for Europe. > > I would have no hesitation in using this equipment in actual IMC. For exam ple, 'Highway in the Sky' (HITS) is particularly useful. At a $1,395 base pr ice, the Mini-X unit is excellent value and will drive autopilot servos with basic heading and altitude select, plus GPS tracking. See http://grtavion ics.com/mini.html If you scroll down, you will find the list of features. > > I happen to use a Dynon D10A which lacks many of the Mini features and is m ore expensive. However, when I bought my equipment, the GRT Mini units were n ot available. > > Cheers, John > N262WF, mono XS, 912S > Mooresville, North Carolina > > > > ORIGINAL MESSAGE > From: Guerner Remi > Subject: Europa-List: TruTrak Gemini ADI > > > I am planning to replace my mechanical gyro instruments and get rid of the vacuum system. I am not contemplating a big screen PFD but would install a 3 -1/4" electronic AI. The TruTrak Gemini ADI would have my preference, but I a m puzzled by the singularity of the pitch display which is not actual pitch a ttitude. > My question to those who are using this instrument is: how easy is it to u se it in simulated or actual IMC? > Remi Guerner > F-PGKL > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re : TruTrak Gemini ADI ? From: Peter Zutrauen "GPS either" ....silly iPad..... On Monday, April 18, 2016, Pete wrote: > To add to john's endorsement, the Dynon will tumble if air data is lost > (icing for example) where as the GRT will not due to some very clever and > proprietary coding (and it is not dependent upon GOS either). I'm told al so > that one can fly a std rate turn all day and the GRT will not error-out a nd > level.... > > Cheers, > Pete > > On Apr 18, 2016, at 11:35 AM, John Wigney > wrote: > > Hi Remi, > > > I have no experience of the Tru Trak Gemini unit and I am also a bit > puzzled by their use of a =9CVelocity Vector Pitch Display=9D for attitude > indication. > > > If you would like to replace your vacuum gyro display, I suggest that you > consider the Grand Rapids Technology range of Mini products - the Mini =93B, > Mini-X and Mini-AP. Grand Rapids is a reliable and very high quality > company which has been in the business for many years. For example, they > have over 22,000 of their EIS engine instrumentation units in flight. The > features and synthetic vision which can be packed into the Mini units are > truly remarkable. Jeppesen data bases are available for Europe. > > > I would have no hesitation in using this equipment in actual IMC. For > example, 'Highway in the Sky' (HITS) is particularly useful. At a $1,395 > base price, the Mini-X unit is excellent value and will drive autopilot > servos with basic heading and altitude select, plus GPS tracking. See > http://grtavionics.com/mini.html If you scroll down, you will find the > list of features. > > > I happen to use a Dynon D10A which lacks many of the Mini features and is > more expensive. However, when I bought my equipment, the GRT Mini units > were not available. > > Cheers, John > N262WF, mono XS, 912S > Mooresville, North Carolina > > > ORIGINAL MESSAGE > > From: Guerner Remi > > > > Subject: Europa-List: TruTrak Gemini ADI > > > I am planning to replace my mechanical gyro instruments and get rid of th e > vacuum system. I am not contemplating a big screen PFD but would install a > 3-1/4" electronic AI. The TruTrak Gemini ADI would have my preference, bu t > I am puzzled by the singularity of the pitch display which is not actual > pitch attitude. > > My question to those who are using this instrument is: how easy is it to > use it in simulated or actual IMC? > > Remi Guerner > > F-PGKL > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re : TruTrak Gemini ADI ? From: Robert Borger Hi Remi and others, I will add my 2 pence to this thread. I have experience with GRT and their products. I have installed the Sport on my Europa and have installed other GRT products for other folks on other aircraft. I am very pleased with the GRT line of EFIS. I plan on installing a Mini-X on the Little Toot Sport Biplane that I am currently building. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Apr 18, 2016, at 10:35 AM, John Wigney wrote: Hi Remi, I have no experience of the Tru Trak Gemini unit and I am also a bit puzzled by their use of a =9CVelocity Vector Pitch Display=9D for attitude indication. If you would like to replace your vacuum gyro display, I suggest that you consider the Grand Rapids Technology range of Mini products - the Mini=93B, Mini-X and Mini-AP. Grand Rapids is a reliable and very high quality company which has been in the business for many years. For example, they have over 22,000 of their EIS engine instrumentation units in flight. The features and synthetic vision which can be packed into the Mini units are truly remarkable. Jeppesen data bases are available for Europe. I would have no hesitation in using this equipment in actual IMC. For example, 'Highway in the Sky' (HITS) is particularly useful. At a $1,395 base price, the Mini-X unit is excellent value and will drive autopilot servos with basic heading and altitude select, plus GPS tracking. See http://grtavionics.com/mini.html If you scroll down, you will find the list of features. I happen to use a Dynon D10A which lacks many of the Mini features and is more expensive. However, when I bought my equipment, the GRT Mini units were not available. Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S Mooresville, North Carolina ORIGINAL MESSAGE From: Guerner Remi Subject: Europa-List: TruTrak Gemini ADI I am planning to replace my mechanical gyro instruments and get rid of the vacuum system. I am not contemplating a big screen PFD but would install a 3-1/4" electronic AI. The TruTrak Gemini ADI would have my preference, but I am puzzled by the singularity of the pitch display which is not actual pitch attitude. My question to those who are using this instrument is: how easy is it to use it in simulated or actual IMC? Remi Guerner F-PGKL ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Billett fuel pump. From: William Daniell Bob thanks So what im understanding is that it should work out of the box provided that you get the right parts? Also one would want a back electric pump....just in case? Will On Apr 17, 2016 10:03 PM, "Robert Borger" wrote: > William, > > I installed a billet pump on my 914 six years ago. I didn=99t like having > an electrically dependent engine. Worked for several months with the fol ks > supplying the pump getting the fittings correct as well as some drive > changes. They also made some changes to the pressure regulator system. > The pump has been working great for almost 100 hours now. Last year it > developed a leak in the regulator. I was able to find off-the-shelf raci ng > regulator parts to fix it. I really like it. > > I had other folks who wanted to use that pump but I was unable to get pum p > systems for them because the guys who sold me the pump have stopped > communicating with me. > > If they will communicate with you and sell you a pump, that=99s gre at. It > should work just fine. But they seen quite difficult to work with once t he > sale has been made. > > You can see my installation efforts on my Europa Owners page. It =99s under > the =9CMods and other hardware things=9D album. > > Blue skies & tailwinds, > Bob Borger > Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs). > Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP > 3705 Lynchburg Dr. > Corinth, TX 76208-5331 > Cel: 817-992-1117 > rlborger@mac.com > > On Apr 17, 2016, at 7:43 PM, William Daniell > wrote: > > Does anyine use a billett fuel pump? > Thanks > Will > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Billett fuel pump. From: Robert Borger William, It should work right out of the box if it is supplied with the correct fitti ngs. Make sure you specify hose barbs or flare fittings or whatever you us e on your fuel lines. Yes, you should keep one electric pump. Also allows you to have an extra e lectric pump stashed away, just in case the one in the aircraft packs in. T hose pumps are pricey. Best, Bob Borger Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:00, William Daniell wro te: Bob thanks So what im understanding is that it should work out of the box provided that you get the right parts? Also one would want a back electric pump....just in case? Will ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: TruTrak Gemini ADI From: Raimo Toivio I have an early (2012?) TruTrak Gemini ADI with a back up battery, an external GPS and a pitot/static connnection. I purchased Gemini because my conventional electro mechanical "steam" horizon was next to nothing. That was a wrong move because and I cannot recommed TruTrak Gemini ADI at all. Its impossible to keep your altitude with it. That pitch system does not work. When level flying and vertical speed is zero it claims Im climbing. In manual they wrote "The pitch display of the Gemini ADI is velocity vector. This is not pitch attitude but rather the flight path of the aircraft." and "As long as the reference plane is on the horizon line, the aircraft is maintaining altitude; regardless of power setting or pitch attitude." Thats difficult because its never on the line! Impossible to adjust or calibrate. Touch screen does not work properly. I have tried to ask custom support from TruTrak but that is not easy. Finally they answered that I have to pay 300 $ to get it fixed. They promised to send me an authorization number for "update" but never got it. I have thought these problems are because Im one of the first Gemini customer and very first in Europe. After reading LAA report maybe its not so - they simply doesnt work generally. Shortly: looks nice but nothing else. I have had Dynon D10 since 2007 and it has operated perfectly. My wife has Dynon D1 pocket panel (portable EFIS) and its wonderful, very handy and easy to use. Operates surprisingly well without a pitot/static connection. Maybe not a primary instrument for IFR but good back up anyway! Im considering to throw Gemidi ADI away and replace it for new Garmin G5. Im pretty sure its good - it must be... I fly quite a lot during night and IMC. One time my D10 may fail and then I need an operational backup system. Or vice versa. I think iPad is an exellent platform for navigation software (SkyDemon is my choise) but not for flight instruments. Cheers, Raimo Toivio Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 2007 LamcoCub M OH-U666 2004 Bravo AS202T OH-NTM 1995 Antonov AN-2 TDSRM AirCamper HA-MDO 1987 Beechcraft C45 Twin OH-BLL 1953 37500 Lempaala FINLAND p +358-3-3753 777 m +358-40-590 1450 FLYING BREWERY - only beer in the world brewed to aircraft standards by pilots to pilots and also to normal people raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.flyingbreweryfinland.fi www.rwm.fi 17.4.2016, 16:18, Guerner Remi kirjoitti: > > I am planning to replace my mechanical gyro instruments and get rid of the vacuum system. I am not contemplating a big screen PFD but would install a 3-1/4" electronic AI. The TruTrak Gemini ADI would have my preference, but I am puzzled by the singularity of the pitch display which is not actual pitch attitude. My question to those who are using this instrument is: how easy is it to use it in simulated or actual IMC? > Remi Guerner > F-PGKL > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.