---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/07/16: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:35 AM - Re: 4 Pin Soft Start Module (Richard Iddon) 2. 01:22 AM - Re: 4 Pin Soft Start Module (BobD) 3. 02:26 AM - Apholstery (Glenn Perry) 4. 02:46 AM - Re: Apholstery (James Kelly) 5. 03:16 AM - Re: 4 Pin Soft Start Module (jonathanmilbank) 6. 03:37 AM - Do you recognise this cockpit mod (Graeme Hart) 7. 03:50 AM - Re: Apholstery (Roland) 8. 04:03 AM - Re: 4 Pin Soft Start Module (Roland) 9. 04:08 AM - Re: Do you recognise this cockpit mod (Alan Burrill) 10. 08:12 AM - Rigging Aids (Roger Sheridan) 11. 11:29 AM - Re: Rigging Aids (spcialeffects) 12. 01:14 PM - Re: Apholstery (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 13. 01:21 PM - Jet Age Museum Fly In (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 14. 01:41 PM - JAM Fly In (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 15. 01:52 PM - Fw: Do you recognise this cockpit mod (Graeme Hart) 16. 03:50 PM - Re: Fw: Do you recognise this cockpit mod (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk) 17. 04:18 PM - Re: Fw: Do you recognise this cockpit mod (Graeme Hart) 18. 10:58 PM - Re: Rigging Aids (Steven Pitt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 4 Pin Soft Start Module From: Richard Iddon I believe that the soft start module was made by Smart Avionics / Mark Burton. You could try contacting him. Google Smart Avionics for contact details. Richard Iddon. G-RIXS smart avionicsOn 7 Jul 2016, at 00:12, BobD wrote: > > > > I have tried several sources (Conair, Skydrive, SAS, CFSAero) for a 4 pin Soft Start Module for my Rotax 912ULS, without success. I have been informed that they are no longer manufactured, and that I will need to change the whole SMD Electronic Module at approx 1200GBP to achieve the fix. > > Does anyone know of any other sources that may have a new or used module ? > > -------- > Bob Dawson > XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457818#457818 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:20 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 4 Pin Soft Start Module From: "BobD" Hi Riddon, Thanks for your response. I forgot to mention i had already tried Smart Avionics ! :? -------- Bob Dawson XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457836#457836 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:58 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Apholstery From: Glenn Perry > Hello Gentlemen, Wow, what a great resource this forum is! I bought a Monowheel a year ago. The interior trim and apholstery is somewh at scruffy at this stage and so I was thinking of redoing it. I would really like to hear what the forum thinks about the way to go. While I would like to do a deluxe finish with sound proofing under the aphol stery etc, but realize that takes up space and adds weight. So what would y ou recommend as a good compromise? I would also love to see some pictures to see what is possible? On a different subject, I remember someone mentioning that they rig and de-r ig their Monowheel by themselves. Could you shed some light on what sort of e quipment you use to do this solo? Regards, Glenn Perry (G-DLCB) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Apholstery From: James Kelly Hi Glenn, we need to keep in touch we are in the same boat, scruffy interior trim. Good luck with your research. Jim Kelly G-BWEG On 7 Jul 2016 10:29 a.m., "Glenn Perry" wrote: Hello Gentlemen, Wow, what a great resource this forum is! I bought a Monowheel a year ago. The interior trim and apholstery is somewhat scruffy at this stage and so I was thinking of redoing it. I would really like to hear what the forum thinks about the way to go. While I would like to do a deluxe finish with sound proofing under the apholstery etc, but realize that takes up space and adds weight. So what would you recommend as a good compromise? I would also love to see some pictures to see what is possible? On a different subject, I remember someone mentioning that they rig and de-rig their Monowheel by themselves. Could you shed some light on what sort of equipment you use to do this solo? Regards, Glenn Perry (G-DLCB) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:07 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 4 Pin Soft Start Module From: "jonathanmilbank" Hi Bob, Here's what I know. The soft start modules seemed to become unfashionable after Ducati ignition modules with built-in spark timing retardation became standard fit to some Rotax engines. This delayed spark feature during start-up lasts for several seconds and then reverts to normal timing advance. Up to about 2 years ago there was a special offer through Skydrive to buy a PAIR of ignition modules for about 500 total and I took advantage of this because I was having starting difficulties. Presumably this special was because they knew of the starting difficulties the old modules were causing and certainly the new units cured my "kick-back" problems. Now to your question. A friend of mine also with a 912ULS engine wasn't satisfied with the performance of his sparking system and heard of somewhere in the Netherlands where he could send both his modules for refurbishment. This involves opening the supposedly solid-state modules and replacing the questionable original electronic components with high spec stuff. Here's are two links main_page=index&cPath=671_2711_4731 https://www.carmo.nl/index.php? As far as I can recall he spent less than 400 total and the turn-around time was quick. Probably it'll cost somewhat more now that the pound has weakened. The result was a great improvement in his opinion and well worth the money, particularly when it is considered that a pair of new modules would cost around 2.5k. He's been flying with the refurbished modules for over 6 months and I haven't heard of any dissatisfaction. What I don't know and would like to, is whether the refurbished units incorporate the temporary retardation of timing for start-up, because it's VERY necessary for my Europa Classic which can't accommodate the longer and more powerful starter motor. I'll ask friend Iain whether he wants to make further comment. Best wishes, Jonathan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457841#457841 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:14 AM PST US From: Graeme Hart Subject: Europa-List: Do you recognise this cockpit mod Hi All I have a kit that started out around 1999 and has been worked on by a number of builder since them. Does anyone recognise the mod that has been done to the cockpit. A lot of the top of the centre console has been cut out and reinforced around the edges. I'm hoping that this is a recognised mod and someone can point me at documentation on what was intended. A picture of part of the cutout section is below (sorry I don't have one of the entire cutout) I'd appreciate any leads on how this mod is intended to work. Also, with this large hole in the top do you still need the fuel valve access panel? Thanks Graeme [image: Inline image 1] ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:26 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Apholstery From: "Roland" gfhperry(at)gmail.com wrote: > > > Hello Gentlemen, > > > > > On a different subject, I remember someone mentioning that they rig and de-rig their Monowheel by themselves. Could you shed some light on what sort of equipment you use to do this solo? > I have a Trigear, which stands upright on it's own, but I guess you'll need dollies, which can be tilt to rig the wings solo anyway. I rig before every flight http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/PH-ZTI.html Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457842#457842 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 4 Pin Soft Start Module From: "Roland" I got my modules (conventional old style for Rotax 914) fixed by Carmo in the Netherlands 3 months ago and can recommend it without hesitation. It's a fraction of the costs of new ones (IIRC about 600 EUR for both) and the turnaround as well as communication is quick. My Rotax starts hassle-free now :-) Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457843#457843 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Do you recognise this cockpit mod From: Alan Burrill Tri-Gear or Monowheel? Alan GOBJT > On 7 Jul 2016, at 11:35, Graeme Hart wrote: > > Hi All > > I have a kit that started out around 1999 and has been worked on by a number of builder since them. > > Does anyone recognise the mod that has been done to the cockpit. A lot of the top of the centre console has been cut out and reinforced around the edges. > > I'm hoping that this is a recognised mod and someone can point me at documentation on what was intended. > > A picture of part of the cutout section is below (sorry I don't have one of the entire cutout) > > I'd appreciate any leads on how this mod is intended to work. Also, with this large hole in the top do you still need the fuel valve access panel? > > > Thanks > Graeme > <20160705_174300.jpg> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:14 AM PST US From: Roger Sheridan Subject: Europa-List: Rigging Aids Hi Glenn, I presently operate from a storage container and am able to rig & de-rig single handed. Fuselage rests on a dolly copied from that designed by Roger Targett & used by David Joyce. Wings dollies were built by Roger Huttlestone & cleverly pivot through 90 degrees. Roger told me last year that he has the moulds but would need a pattern part to produce the frame again. I would be in a second set of wing dollies if there were sufficient interest. Photos attached. Cheers, Roger 07540 851867 > On 7 Jul 2016, at 11:25, Glenn Perry wrote: > >> > > On a different subject, I remember someone mentioning that they rig and de-rig their Monowheel by themselves. Could you shed some light on what sort of equipment you use to do this solo? > > Regards, > > Glenn Perry (G-DLCB) > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:09 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rigging Aids From: "spcialeffects" I'd be interested in a wing dolly Rodger. What sort of cost? Thanks Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457864#457864 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:41 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Apholstery Glenn, I did my plane with2mm foam in the front half, covered with Alcantara - all attached with spray on rubber glue. The panel and the rear half (seat back backwards) were spray painted with durable matt paint in matching colour. The foam was aimed at a bit of noise reduction and thermal insulation. It has all worked well and worn very well. Alcantara is a sort of synthetic, washable suede, which the guy who sold it to me informed me was fitted to Maserati dashboards! I avoided heavy upholstery and went for removable (hence adjustable) cushions, which were somewhat modified matching coloured cushions from an old Citroen car found in a scrapyard. The same car provided the carpets, which I had nicely edged by an upholsterer. Picture attached. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ On 2016-07-07 10:25, Glenn Perry wrote: >> Hello Gentlemen, > > Wow, what a great resource this forum is! > > I bought a Monowheel a year ago. The interior trim and apholstery is somewhat scruffy at this stage and so I was thinking of redoing it. I would really like to hear what the forum thinks about the way to go. > > While I would like to do a deluxe finish with sound proofing under the apholstery etc, but realize that takes up space and adds weight. So what would you recommend as a good compromise? I would also love to see some pictures to see what is possible? > > On a different subject, I remember someone mentioning that they rig and de-rig their Monowheel by themselves. Could you shed some light on what sort of equipment you use to do this solo? > > Regards, > > Glenn Perry (G-DLCB) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:14 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Europa-List: Jet Age Museum Fly In The joint Europa Club/Gloster Strut Fly In to the Jet Age Museum, Gloucester is due to happen in just over two weeks time, 23rd July. Last year's event was a resounding success and we hope to welcome even more of you this year. The attachment gives full details. Please note the need to register your intention of coming. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:40 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Europa-List: JAM Fly In With Apologies, I have just discovered a typo in the JAM Fly In advert. We ask you to register your intention of coming by Thursday 21st July. Corrected advert attached. Regards, David Joyce ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:01 PM PST US From: Graeme Hart Subject: Fwd: Europa-List: Do you recognise this cockpit mod Hi Alan It is a trigear and came as a trigear from the factory. It looks to me like the plan was to put a removable panel on the top. I have attached a better picture. On 7/07/2016 11:14 pm, "Alan Burrill" wrote: > > Tri-Gear or Monowheel? > > Alan > > GOBJT > > On 7 Jul 2016, at 11:35, Graeme Hart wrote: > > > > Hi All > > > > I have a kit that started out around 1999 and has been worked on by a > number of builder since them. > > > > Does anyone recognise the mod that has been done to the cockpit. A lot > of the top of the centre console has been cut out and reinforced around the > edges. > > > > I'm hoping that this is a recognised mod and someone can point me at > documentation on what was intended. > > > > A picture of part of the cutout section is below (sorry I don't have one > of the entire cutout) > > > > I'd appreciate any leads on how this mod is intended to work. Also, > with this large hole in the top do you still need the fuel valve access > panel? > > > > > > Thanks > > Graeme > > <20160705_174300.jpg> > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Fwd: Europa-List: Do you recognise this cockpit mod From: "nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk" Hi Graeme, I don't like to be the bearer of bad news but that mod was not (and never will be) approved in the UK. The centre tunnel is a critical structural component and by removing such a huge area of the box section, most of the strength will have been removed with it. If it is your intention to build the airframe to flying condition, I would suggest involving your inspector (one with proven composite skills) to advise on reconstructing the tunnel. The Europa has no longeron like structures forward of the seat moulding and it is only the tunnel that prevents the fuselage snapping off in the event of a high "G" arrival. Typically, the fracture initiates at the sharp corner at the lower edge of the windscreen, propagates down the fuselage sides and across the floor. I have attached a picture of such a failure to help concentrate the mind (I have more!). Nigel On 07/07/2016 21:51, Graeme Hart wrote: > Hi Alan > > It is a trigear and came as a trigear from the factory. > > It looks to me like the plan was to put a removable panel on the top. > > I have attached a better picture. > > On 7/07/2016 11:14 pm, "Alan Burrill" > wrote: > > > > > Tri-Gear or Monowheel? > > Alan > > GOBJT > > On 7 Jul 2016, at 11:35, Graeme Hart > wrote: > > > > Hi All > > > > I have a kit that started out around 1999 and has been worked on > by a number of builder since them. > > > > Does anyone recognise the mod that has been done to the > cockpit. A lot of the top of the centre console has been cut out > and reinforced around the edges. > > > > I'm hoping that this is a recognised mod and someone can point > me at documentation on what was intended. > > > > A picture of part of the cutout section is below (sorry I don't > have one of the entire cutout) > > > > I'd appreciate any leads on how this mod is intended to work. > Also, with this large hole in the top do you still need the fuel > valve access panel? > > > > > > Thanks > > Graeme > > <20160705_174300.jpg> > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:31 PM PST US From: Graeme Hart Subject: Re: Fwd: Europa-List: Do you recognise this cockpit mod Thanks Nigel While that is bad news it is also good news in that I'm only starting the build so it shouldn't be too hard to fix compared with attempting to fix when ready to fly. I am in New Zealand and with our smaller population it is a little harder to find people with the experience your inspectors have. We also have a much simpler inspection regime. I'll contact the Europa factory and get their advice on how to reinstate the structure. Hopefully it will just be a matter of reinstating the missing structure with a flat panel with an appropriate number of plys and a suitable overlap/bonding to the edges. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:48 AM, nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk < nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Graeme, > > I don't like to be the bearer of bad news but that mod was not (and never > will be) approved in the UK. The centre tunnel is a critical structural > component and by removing such a huge area of the box section, most of the > strength will have been removed with it. If it is your intention to build > the airframe to flying condition, I would suggest involving your inspector > (one with proven composite skills) to advise on reconstructing the tunnel. > > The Europa has no longeron like structures forward of the seat moulding > and it is only the tunnel that prevents the fuselage snapping off in the > event of a high "G" arrival. Typically, the fracture initiates at the sharp > corner at the lower edge of the windscreen, propagates down the fuselage > sides and across the floor. I have attached a picture of such a failure to > help concentrate the mind (I have more!). > > Nigel > > > On 07/07/2016 21:51, Graeme Hart wrote: > > Hi Alan > > It is a trigear and came as a trigear from the factory. > > It looks to me like the plan was to put a removable panel on the top. > > I have attached a better picture. > On 7/07/2016 11:14 pm, "Alan Burrill" wrote: > >> >> Tri-Gear or Monowheel? >> >> Alan >> >> GOBJT >> > On 7 Jul 2016, at 11:35, Graeme Hart >> wrote: >> > >> > Hi All >> > >> > I have a kit that started out around 1999 and has been worked on by a >> number of builder since them. >> > >> > Does anyone recognise the mod that has been done to the cockpit. A lot >> of the top of the centre console has been cut out and reinforced around the >> edges. >> > >> > I'm hoping that this is a recognised mod and someone can point me at >> documentation on what was intended. >> > >> > A picture of part of the cutout section is below (sorry I don't have >> one of the entire cutout) >> > >> > I'd appreciate any leads on how this mod is intended to work. Also, >> with this large hole in the top do you still need the fuel valve access >> panel? >> > >> > >> > Thanks >> > Graeme >> > <20160705_174300.jpg> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:18 PM PST US From: Steven Pitt Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rigging Aids I would be interested to see the rest of the rigging aid if you can get some more photos. Thanks Steve Pitt Sent from my iPad Sent from my iPad > On 7 Jul 2016, at 16:10, Roger Sheridan wrote: > > Hi Glenn, > > I presently operate from a storage container and am able to rig & de-rig s ingle handed. > > Fuselage rests on a dolly copied from that designed by Roger Targett & use d by David Joyce. > > Wings dollies were built by Roger Huttlestone & cleverly pivot through 90 d egrees. Roger told me last year that he has the moulds but would need a patt ern part to produce the frame again. > > I would be in a second set of wing dollies if there were sufficient intere st. > > Photos attached. > > Cheers, > > Roger > 07540 851867 > > > > > > > > > >>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 11:25, Glenn Perry wrote: >>> >> >> On a different subject, I remember someone mentioning that they rig and d e-rig their Monowheel by themselves. Could you shed some light on what sort o f equipment you use to do this solo? >> >> Regards, >> >> Glenn Perry (G-DLCB) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.