---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/08/16: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:38 AM - one-person rigging [was: Re: Apholstery] (Rowland Carson) 2. 02:38 AM - Re: one-person rigging [was: Re: Apholstery] (Brian Davies) 3. 02:56 AM - Re: Fw: Do you recognise this cockpit mod (tonyvaccarella) 4. 03:08 AM - Curing of Flying Surfaces (tonyvaccarella) 5. 03:21 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Do you recognise this cockpit mod (Steven Pitt) 6. 03:48 AM - Re: Fw: Do you recognise this cockpit mod (tonyvaccarella) 7. 04:00 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Do you recognise this cockpit mod (Graeme Hart) 8. 06:10 AM - It take a long time and it costs too much (William Daniell) 9. 06:13 AM - Re: 4 Pin Soft Start Module (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net) 10. 06:35 AM - Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces (William Daniell) 11. 07:05 AM - Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces (Pete Lawless) 12. 07:45 AM - Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces (tonyvaccarella) 13. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces (William Daniell) 14. 08:47 AM - Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces (Bob Harrison) 15. 08:59 AM - Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces (tonyvaccarella) 16. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces (Pete Lawless) 17. 12:14 PM - Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces (William Daniell) 18. 01:51 PM - First Flight (hanaperrod) 19. 02:00 PM - Re: First Flight (spcialeffects) 20. 02:12 PM - Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces (spcialeffects) 21. 02:21 PM - Re: SKyview 10" (spcialeffects) 22. 05:01 PM - Re: First Flight (Robert Borger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:39 AM PST US Subject: one-person rigging [was: Re: Europa-List: Apholstery] From: Rowland Carson On 2016-07-07, at 10:25, Glenn Perry wrote: > I remember someone mentioning that they rig and de-rig their Monowheel by themselves. Could you shed some light on what sort of equipment you use to do this solo? I bought Roger Huttlestones rigging kit along with the enclosed trailer. If Roger wants patterns to work from, to create more wing dollies, I can loan mine if I can figure out a way to safely support the wings without the dollies. If youre able to get to the Gloucestershire area, youre welcome to have a look at my set-up. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:33 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: one-person rigging [was: Re: Europa-List: Apholstery] Just a note of caution, The Huttlestone wing dolly geometry for the Trigear is different to the Monowheel. I had a set of Mono dollies made and have used them on my Trigear. They are OK for a two person rig but hold the wing at the wrong angle for a single person rig. ( obvious when you think about it) . Also I think the original fibre glass wing profiles were made for the classic wing and are not perfect for the XS wing. Not a real problem but worth noting when talking to Roger about producing more. Regards Brian Davies -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Sent: 08 July 2016 09:35 Subject: one-person rigging [was: Re: Europa-List: Apholstery] --> On 2016-07-07, at 10:25, Glenn Perry wrote: > I remember someone mentioning that they rig and de-rig their Monowheel by themselves. Could you shed some light on what sort of equipment you use to do this solo? I bought Roger Huttlestones rigging kit along with the enclosed trailer. If Roger wants patterns to work from, to create more wing dollies, I can loan mine if I can figure out a way to safely support the wings without the dollies. If youre able to get to the Gloucestershire area, youre welcome to have a look at my set-up. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:36 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fwd: Do you recognise this cockpit mod From: "tonyvaccarella" Hi Graeme, Its not often I can contribute tot his forum but I might be able to help in this case. I too purchased a project (from the USA) that has a similar cut out. It is a conventional tailwheel format (without the monowheel). My understanding is that the reason for the cut-out is for comfort and ability to have some of the controls (throttle, brakes, and fuel selector) more accessible. Please see the images attached that will help to explain this. My aircraft is a long way from finished but I will need to re-enforce the cutout as it was mentioned to me that the cockpit module is an integral and structural part of the aircraft. I hope this helps. Best regards Tony Sydney Australia -------- Tony Vaccarella Mascot NSW 2020 Sydney Australia Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457900#457900 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/centreconsol2_343.gif http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_1_1_703.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:59 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Curing of Flying Surfaces From: "tonyvaccarella" Hello all, I'm the owner of a conventional tailwheel aircraft I purchased from the USA. This project was started in 1999 and still being built :-) Not that Im near the finished stage yet but while reading the Builders Manual about finishing the aircraft it states " The first thing that you need to do with your flying surfaces is port cure them at a temperature between 40-50 deg C. This will improve their strength and cook off any remaining volatiles and moisture withing the epoxy system. " Just wondering how builders have managed to do this. What equipment that have used and how they have controlled the temperature. What is our opinion about doing this on "old" wings that were completed in about year 2000. I look forward to your comments Regards, Tony Vaccarella Sydney Australia -------- Tony Vaccarella Mascot NSW 2020 Sydney Australia Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457901#457901 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:07 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fwd: Do you recognise this cockpit mod Graeme and Tony, Forgive my intervention in case you have already gone down this path. There is already an approved mod for the centre tunnel as follows http://www.theeuropaclub.org/for-builders/europa-mods-sbs/laa-all-of-type/ and look for mod 10601. Whilst this does not look the same as your cutouts, it may give you some hints as to what can be done, how it needs to be restrengthened and the fact that it passed the LAA Approval process. AFAIK there was only one aircraft modified in this way (G-IANI) but hopefully it will help you to decide what to do. Two other reflections on Graeme's photo. I notice that you do not have the bulkhead installed behind the nosewheel frame. This was omitted from some early manuals and it is worth doing. Secondly, I wonder if this mod was done so as not to have to get in under the aircraft for maintenance. I have a trigear and used the space previously allocated to the mono wheel to get to fuel pumps, pipework etc and this does not weaken the centre tunnel structure. Come back if you need more info. Regards Steve Pitt Chairman, Europa Club G-SMDH Europa Trigear xs 912s ----- Original Message ----- From: "tonyvaccarella" Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:55 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fwd: Do you recognise this cockpit mod > > > Hi Graeme, > > Its not often I can contribute tot his forum but I might be able to help > in this case. I too purchased a project (from the USA) that has a similar > cut out. > > It is a conventional tailwheel format (without the monowheel). My > understanding is that the reason for the cut-out is for comfort and > ability to have some of the controls (throttle, brakes, and fuel selector) > more accessible. > > Please see the images attached that will help to explain this. > > My aircraft is a long way from finished but I will need to re-enforce the > cutout as it was mentioned to me that the cockpit module is an integral > and structural part of the aircraft. > > I hope this helps. > > Best regards > Tony > Sydney > Australia > > -------- > Tony Vaccarella > Mascot NSW 2020 > Sydney Australia > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457900#457900 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/centreconsol2_343.gif > http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_1_1_703.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:36 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fwd: Do you recognise this cockpit mod From: "tonyvaccarella" Hi Steven, Thank you for making me aware of this mod. I will work with the recommendations made in the modification and feel much happier that its approved. FYI - the mod is listed at 10601 as you mention in your post but the document states mod 11601 on the top right of the document. You might want to correct this. Best regards Tony Vaccarella -------- Tony Vaccarella Mascot NSW 2020 Sydney Australia Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457903#457903 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:38 AM PST US From: Graeme Hart Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fwd: Do you recognise this cockpit mod Thanks Tony, your picture looks very similar to mine. Mine was a US project too although I purchased it in NZ from the guy who imported it from US. Thanks Steve, I didn't think of looking at LAA mods. Mod 10601 looks very promising and I gain the benefit of some storage space. I could even install a couple of cupholders here :) I've looked at the latest online build manual on the Europa site (chapter 11 of the build manual) and I note that it says that the bulkhead is for monowheel only. Can you tell us the advantage of installing the bulkhead for trigear aircraft. I have also emailed Europa directly asking for their advice. Thanks Graeme On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Steven Pitt wrote: > steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> > > Graeme and Tony, > Forgive my intervention in case you have already gone down this path. > There is already an approved mod for the centre tunnel as follows > http://www.theeuropaclub.org/for-builders/europa-mods-sbs/laa-all-of-type/ > and look for mod 10601. > Whilst this does not look the same as your cutouts, it may give you some > hints as to what can be done, how it needs to be restrengthened and the > fact that it passed the LAA Approval process. AFAIK there was only one > aircraft modified in this way (G-IANI) but hopefully it will help you to > decide what to do. > > Two other reflections on Graeme's photo. > I notice that you do not have the bulkhead installed behind the nosewheel > frame. This was omitted from some early manuals and it is worth doing. > Secondly, I wonder if this mod was done so as not to have to get in under > the aircraft for maintenance. I have a trigear and used the space > previously allocated to the mono wheel to get to fuel pumps, pipework etc > and this does not weaken the centre tunnel structure. > Come back if you need more info. > Regards > Steve Pitt > Chairman, Europa Club > G-SMDH Europa Trigear xs 912s > ----- Original Message ----- From: "tonyvaccarella" > > To: > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:55 AM > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fwd: Do you recognise this cockpit mod > > >> > >> >> Hi Graeme, >> >> Its not often I can contribute tot his forum but I might be able to help >> in this case. I too purchased a project (from the USA) that has a similar >> cut out. >> >> It is a conventional tailwheel format (without the monowheel). My >> understanding is that the reason for the cut-out is for comfort and ability >> to have some of the controls (throttle, brakes, and fuel selector) more >> accessible. >> >> Please see the images attached that will help to explain this. >> >> My aircraft is a long way from finished but I will need to re-enforce the >> cutout as it was mentioned to me that the cockpit module is an integral and >> structural part of the aircraft. >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> Best regards >> Tony >> Sydney >> Australia >> >> -------- >> Tony Vaccarella >> Mascot NSW 2020 >> Sydney Australia >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457900#457900 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/centreconsol2_343.gif >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_1_1_703.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:49 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Europa-List: It take a long time and it costs too much hear hear (Comment from the Europa club site) William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:40 AM PST US From: "ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 4 Pin Soft Start Module There's also a homebrew version at: http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22743 Probably not LAA approved! Duncan McF. ----Original Message---- From: riddon@sent.com Subj: Re: Europa-List: 4 Pin Soft Start Module I believe that the soft start module was made by Smart Avionics / Mark Burton. You could try contacting him. Google Smart Avionics for contact details. Richard Iddon. G-RIXS smart avionicsOn 7 Jul 2016, at 00:12, BobD wrote: > > > > I have tried several sources (Conair, Skydrive, SAS, CFSAero) for a 4 pin Soft Start Module for my Rotax 912ULS, without success. I have been informed that they are no longer manufactured, and that I will need to change the whole SMD Electronic Module at approx 1200GBP to achieve the fix. > > Does anyone know of any other sources that may have a new or used module ? > > -------- > Bob Dawson > XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457818#457818 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:01 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Curing of Flying Surfaces Tony I was originally daunted by this but it's actually easy. I bought some 1mx1m expanded polystyrene and built box/oven 1 x 1 x 2. this was enough for my foam flying surfaces flaps, horizontal stab, ailerons. I used ordinary fan heaters inside the oven and removed the standard thermostat and replaced it with a thermostat from Aircraft spruce calibrated to 40C i think. I but a baffle in front of the of the fan to ensure that there was no local concentration of heat. I used a couple of meat thermomenters punched through the polystyrene to monitor the temperature. Once i worked it out it was a couple of hours to do the job. Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:08 AM, tonyvaccarella wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > I'm the owner of a conventional tailwheel aircraft I purchased from the > USA. This project was started in 1999 and still being built :-) > > Not that Im near the finished stage yet but while reading the Builders > Manual about finishing the aircraft it states > > " The first thing that you need to do with your flying surfaces is port > cure them at a temperature between 40-50 deg C. This will improve their > strength and cook off any remaining volatiles and moisture withing the > epoxy system. " > > Just wondering how builders have managed to do this. What equipment that > have used and how they have controlled the temperature. What is our opinion > about doing this on "old" wings that were completed in about year 2000. > > I look forward to your comments > > Regards, > Tony Vaccarella > Sydney > Australia > > -------- > Tony Vaccarella > Mascot NSW 2020 > Sydney Australia > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457901#457901 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Curing of Flying Surfaces From: Pete Lawless Hi Tony I used the exact same method as William. We happened to have a couple of domestic extractor fans left over from a job and I added those in the oven to make sure the air got well swirled about and there were no local hot spots. Regards Pete G-RMAC Classic #109 On 08/07/16 14:33, William Daniell wrote: > Tony > > I was originally daunted by this but it's actually easy. I bought > some 1mx1m expanded polystyrene and built box/oven 1 x 1 x 2. this > was enough for my foam flying surfaces flaps, horizontal stab, ailerons. > > I used ordinary fan heaters inside the oven and removed the standard > thermostat and replaced it with a thermostat from Aircraft spruce > calibrated to 40C i think. > > I but a baffle in front of the of the fan to ensure that there was no > local concentration of heat. > > I used a couple of meat thermomenters punched through the polystyrene > to monitor the temperature. > > Once i worked it out it was a couple of hours to do the job. > > Will > > > William Daniell > LONGPORT > +57 310 295 0744 > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:08 AM, tonyvaccarella > wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > I'm the owner of a conventional tailwheel aircraft I purchased > from the USA. This project was started in 1999 and still being > built :-) > > Not that Im near the finished stage yet but while reading the > Builders Manual about finishing the aircraft it states > > " The first thing that you need to do with your flying surfaces is > port cure them at a temperature between 40-50 deg C. This will > improve their strength and cook off any remaining volatiles and > moisture withing the epoxy system. " > > Just wondering how builders have managed to do this. What > equipment that have used and how they have controlled the > temperature. What is our opinion about doing this on "old" wings > that were completed in about year 2000. > > I look forward to your comments > > Regards, > Tony Vaccarella > Sydney > Australia > > -------- > Tony Vaccarella > Mascot NSW 2020 > Sydney Australia > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457901#457901 > > > ========== > pa-List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:57 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces From: "tonyvaccarella" Thanks for the reply. My problem is (my challenge is) that I have the old classic wing and need to put the entire wing in the hot box. Despite the size, do you consider the principle the same? Many thanks once again. Regards, Tony -------- Tony Vaccarella Mascot NSW 2020 Sydney Australia Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457918#457918 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:06 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces When I ask the question a while back some guys who lived in hot countries mentioned that they had built a tent out of black plastic if that helps William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:45 AM, tonyvaccarella wrote: > > > > Thanks for the reply. > > My problem is (my challenge is) that I have the old classic wing and need > to put the entire wing in the hot box. Despite the size, do you consider > the principle the same? > > Many thanks once again. > > Regards, > Tony > > -------- > Tony Vaccarella > Mascot NSW 2020 > Sydney Australia > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457918#457918 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:34 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Curing of Flying Surfaces Hi! Will and Tony, Concerning curing of the Europa. I notice that it is being suggested that a cure time of possibly two hours was likely. May I respectfully advise that if you have an aircraft that is glass fibre reinforced with resins laid over polystyrene you need to very slowly increase the heat soak or you will have the polystyrene expand faster than the glass and burst through the construction making you a very unhappy bunny ! Likewise the cooling down cycle needs similar treatment. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG . From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell Sent: 08 July 2016 14:34 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Curing of Flying Surfaces Tony I was originally daunted by this but it's actually easy. I bought some 1mx1m expanded polystyrene and built box/oven 1 x 1 x 2. this was enough for my foam flying surfaces flaps, horizontal stab, ailerons. I used ordinary fan heaters inside the oven and removed the standard thermostat and replaced it with a thermostat from Aircraft spruce calibrated to 40C i think. I but a baffle in front of the of the fan to ensure that there was no local concentration of heat. I used a couple of meat thermomenters punched through the polystyrene to monitor the temperature. Once i worked it out it was a couple of hours to do the job. Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:08 AM, tonyvaccarella wrote: Hello all, I'm the owner of a conventional tailwheel aircraft I purchased from the USA. This project was started in 1999 and still being built :-) Not that Im near the finished stage yet but while reading the Builders Manual about finishing the aircraft it states " The first thing that you need to do with your flying surfaces is port cure them at a temperature between 40-50 deg C. This will improve their strength and cook off any remaining volatiles and moisture withing the epoxy system. " Just wondering how builders have managed to do this. What equipment that have used and how they have controlled the temperature. What is our opinion about doing this on "old" wings that were completed in about year 2000. I look forward to your comments Regards, Tony Vaccarella Sydney Australia -------- Tony Vaccarella Mascot NSW 2020 Sydney Australia Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457901#457901 pa-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com WIKI - errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:49 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces From: "tonyvaccarella" Hi William, That would certainly do it here in Sydney Australia. Thanks for the food for thought. Regards, Tony -------- Tony Vaccarella Mascot NSW 2020 Sydney Australia Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457926#457926 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces From: Pete Lawless Tony my hot box was big enough to take the complete classic wing. I did three sessions, one for each wing and one for all the other bits. Pete PS Can't you just wait for the summer and turn the aircon off in the workshop? On 08/07/16 15:45, tonyvaccarella wrote: > > Thanks for the reply. > > My problem is (my challenge is) that I have the old classic wing and need to put the entire wing in the hot box. Despite the size, do you consider the principle the same? > > Many thanks once again. > > Regards, > Tony > > -------- > Tony Vaccarella > Mascot NSW 2020 > Sydney Australia > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457918#457918 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:18 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Curing of Flying Surfaces Bob well i didn't know that and all went well so I guess I got lucky either that or the ambient temp here is sufficient. Tony you can find a pic of my oven in the photos on my website under phots "the Oven" https://sites.google.com/site/europaconstructionwd/ Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Bob Harrison wrote: > Hi! Will and Tony, > > Concerning curing of the Europa. > > I notice that it is being suggested that a cure time of possibly two hours > was likely. > > May I respectfully advise that if you have an aircraft that is glass fibre > reinforced with resins laid over polystyrene you need to very slowly > increase the heat soak or you will have the polystyrene expand faster than > the glass and burst through the construction making you a very unhappy > bunny ! Likewise the cooling down cycle needs similar treatment. > > Regards > > Bob Harrison G-PTAG . > > > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *William Daniell > *Sent:* 08 July 2016 14:34 > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Curing of Flying Surfaces > > > Tony > > > I was originally daunted by this but it's actually easy. I bought some > 1mx1m expanded polystyrene and built box/oven 1 x 1 x 2. this was enough > for my foam flying surfaces flaps, horizontal stab, ailerons. > > > I used ordinary fan heaters inside the oven and removed the standard > thermostat and replaced it with a thermostat from Aircraft spruce > calibrated to 40C i think. > > > I but a baffle in front of the of the fan to ensure that there was no > local concentration of heat. > > > I used a couple of meat thermomenters punched through the polystyrene to > monitor the temperature. > > > Once i worked it out it was a couple of hours to do the job. > > > Will > > > William Daniell > > LONGPORT > > +57 310 295 0744 > > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:08 AM, tonyvaccarella > wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > I'm the owner of a conventional tailwheel aircraft I purchased from the > USA. This project was started in 1999 and still being built :-) > > Not that Im near the finished stage yet but while reading the Builders > Manual about finishing the aircraft it states > > " The first thing that you need to do with your flying surfaces is port > cure them at a temperature between 40-50 deg C. This will improve their > strength and cook off any remaining volatiles and moisture withing the > epoxy system. " > > Just wondering how builders have managed to do this. What equipment that > have used and how they have controlled the temperature. What is our opinion > about doing this on "old" wings that were completed in about year 2000. > > I look forward to your comments > > Regards, > Tony Vaccarella > Sydney > Australia > > -------- > Tony Vaccarella > Mascot NSW 2020 > Sydney Australia > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457901#457901 > > > ========== > pa-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:14 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: First Flight From: "hanaperrod" After many years of blood sweat and tears!My Europa Tri Gear G-ILLZ took to the air in the capable hands of Pete Jeffers at approx 16;30 BST.Today 7th July Take off/landing looked great despite the asi and altimeter giving spurious readings. I'm looking forward to the test flying completion and a Permit to fly in time for the LAA Rally in this the 70th year. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457948#457948 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: First Flight From: "spcialeffects" Well Done, congrats Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457949#457949 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:29 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Curing of Flying Surfaces From: "spcialeffects" Hi Tony. I did what Bob said and slowly increased the temperature kept it at 50 degrees for about 16 hours then turned off the heaters and left it covered up for about another 10 hours. I too have classic wing and baked everything at once. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457951#457951 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imga0402_581.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/12_187.jpg ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:53 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: SKyview 10" From: "spcialeffects" Hi Carl. Im here in the UK. I choose to go for an all Dynon fit as i like their equipment. I have doubled up on everything and both 10" and 7" screens have separate back up batteries, GPS receivers and ADAHR boxes plus as back up i have the steam asi and alt meters. Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457952#457952 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:02 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight Congratulations! Best regards, Robert Borger, President Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc. Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 (C) 817-992-1117 Sent from my iPad > On Jul 8, 2016, at 15:50, hanaperrod wrote: > > > After many years of blood sweat and tears!My Europa Tri Gear G-ILLZ took to the air in the capable hands of Pete Jeffers at approx 16;30 BST.Today 7th July > Take off/landing looked great despite the asi and altimeter giving spurious readings. > I'm looking forward to the test flying completion and a Permit to fly in time for the LAA Rally in this the 70th year. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457948#457948 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.