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1. 06:54 AM - East Kirkby (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
2. 07:15 AM - Re: East Kirkby (Steven Pitt)
3. 07:28 AM - Re: East Kirkby (Richard Wheelwright)
4. 08:52 AM - Re: East Kirkby (James Kelly)
5. 09:35 AM - FW: Justin in Jersey (Mo)
6. 09:58 AM - Re: East Kirkby (david park)
7. 10:16 AM - Re: REASON FOR IPAD AND IPHONE FAILURE IN FLIGHT (rampil)
8. 10:16 AM - Re: REASON FOR IPAD AND IPHONE FAILURE IN FLIGHT (rampil)
9. 10:46 AM - Re: FW: Justin in Jersey (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
10. 11:08 AM - Re: FW: Justin in Jersey (Mo)
11. 11:27 AM - Re: East Kirkby (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
12. 01:01 PM - Re: FW: Justin in Jersey (david park)
13. 01:55 PM - Re: FW: Justin in Jersey (Mo)
14. 02:23 PM - Re: FW: Justin in Jersey (david park)
15. 02:33 PM - Re: East Kirkby (Bob Harrison)
16. 02:42 PM - Re: Do you recognize this cockpit mod (Bud Yerly)
17. 02:54 PM - Re: FW: Justin in Jersey (Mo)
18. 08:52 PM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Do_you_recognize_this_cockpit_mod? ()
19. 10:33 PM - Re: East Kirkby (Michael Davies)
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Dear All, Can I remind you that we have a planned fly in to East Kirkby
this Saturday, 16/7 with the possibility of seeing their Lancaster and
the Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre museum. Will send a briefing
sheet to anyone emailing me to say interested
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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Yes please
Sent from my iPhone
> On 11 Jul 2016, at 14:52, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Dear All, Can I remind you that we have a planned fly in to East Kirkby th
is Saturday, 16/7 with the possibility of seeing their Lancaster and the Li
ncolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre museum. Will send a briefing sheet to an
yone emailing me to say interested
>
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
>
>
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Regards
Richard Wheelwright
> On 11 Jul 2016, at 14:52, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Dear All, Can I remind you that we have a planned fly in to East Kirkby th
is Saturday, 16/7 with the possibility of seeing their Lancaster and the Li
ncolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre museum. Will send a briefing sheet to an
yone emailing me to say interested
>
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
>
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Thanks David, apologise I'll be in the Scillies for this one. Have you
considered the Guernsey Air Rally for next year, we had a great time.
Best wishes & fair winds
Jim kelly
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:52 PM, <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
> Dear All, Can I remind you that we have a planned fly in to East Kirkby
> this Saturday, 16/7 with the possibility of seeing their Lancaster and the
> Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre museum. Will send a briefing sheet to
> anyone emailing me to say interested
>
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: Justin in Jersey |
From: Mo [mailto:alamo666@gmail.com]
Sent: 11 July 2016 17:19
Subject: Justin in Jersey
Sent from a friends email
Is any body there.
I was returning from a round Europe holiday with my wife in our Europa
Classic Mono. We have been to from Scotland to Texel in Holland, Belgium,
Saumur in the Loire Valley in France. We were returning via a friend in
Jersey and I ground looped on the main runway in Jersey.
Ouch! embarrassed or what!
I was wondering if a builder or someone has a pair of broad blade warp drive
blades for an Airmaster A332 sitting waiting for an aircraft to be built. I
would replace them with brand new ones from Airmaster but I gather that
could take a month or even two. So it would be a builder who is not going to
need them for a month or two. I know it is a thin chance but my poor
Monowheel is stuck in Jersey. There was no dead stop, the engine was idling,
I even taxied off the runway but the last centimetre of prop is slightly
damaged. Alternatively the loan of a fixed pitch prop that has been on a
Europa would certainly get me onto the mainland. The ferry cost for a 46ft
rig from Poole to Jersey is fairly eye watering.
I have sent my wife home by Easyjet which is a bit of an admission of defeat
but I think she is quite relieved.
Can anybody assist?
Justin Kennedy
G-ZTED Europa Mono Rotax 912 Airmaster A332 with Warp drive broad blades
Mobile 07798661985
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On holiday 12th for one week.
Next time!
Dave Park
> On 11 Jul 2016, at 14:52, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Dear All, Can I remind you that we have a planned fly in to East Kirkby th
is Saturday, 16/7 with the possibility of seeing their Lancaster and the Li
ncolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre museum. Will send a briefing sheet to an
yone emailing me to say interested
>
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: REASON FOR IPAD AND IPHONE FAILURE IN FLIGHT |
I suspect anything that changes the device color from black to anything else
will reduce the rate at which an electronics (forgive me) black box will overheat.
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Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458074#458074
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| Subject: | Re: REASON FOR IPAD AND IPHONE FAILURE IN FLIGHT |
I suspect anything that changes the device color from black to anything else
will reduce the rate at which an electronics (forgive me) black box will overheat.
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458075#458075
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Justin in Jersey |
Depending on the amount of damage, is it feasible to trim the other two bla
des to balance the prop?
What about a fixed pitch prop?
Which engine is it, 912, 2S or 914?Graham
On Monday, 11 July 2016, 17:56, Mo <alamo666@gmail.com> wrote:
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Sent: 11 July 2016 17:19
Subject: Justin in Jersey =C2-Sent from a friends email =C2-Is any body
there. =C2-I was returning from a round Europe holiday with my wife in o
ur Europa Classic Mono. We have been to from Scotland to Texel in Holland,
Belgium, Saumur in the Loire Valley in France. We were returning via a frie
nd in Jersey and I ground looped on the main runway in Jersey.Ouch! embarra
ssed or what!I was wondering if a builder or someone has a pair of broad bl
ade warp drive blades for an Airmaster A332 sitting waiting for an aircraft
to be built. I would replace them with brand new ones from Airmaster but I
gather that could take a month or even two. So it would be a builder who i
s not going to need them for a month or two. I know it is a thin chance but
my poor Monowheel is stuck in Jersey. There was no dead stop, the engine w
as idling, I even taxied off the runway but the last centimetre of prop is
slightly damaged. Alternatively the loan of a fixed pitch prop that has bee
n on a Europa would certainly get me onto the mainland. The ferry cost for
a 46ft rig from Poole to Jersey is fairly eye watering. I have sent my wife
home by Easyjet which is a bit of an admission of defeat but I think she i
s quite relieved.Can anybody assist? =C2-Justin Kennedy G-ZTED Europa Mon
o Rotax 912 Airmaster A332 with Warp drive broad bladesMobile 07798661985
=C2-
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| Subject: | FW: Justin in Jersey |
Hi Graham,
Thanks for your interest.
A fixed pitch prop is certainly an option. It=99s a Rotax 912S. Do
you know of one (says he hopefully).
I would probably need the bolts to go with it but it would get me home.
Justin
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM
SINGLETON
Sent: 11 July 2016 18:42
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Justin in Jersey
Depending on the amount of damage, is it feasible to trim the other two
blades to balance the prop?
What about a fixed pitch prop?
Which engine is it, 912, 2S or 914?
Graham
On Monday, 11 July 2016, 17:56, Mo <alamo666@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Mo [mailto:alamo666@gmail.com]
Sent: 11 July 2016 17:19
Subject: Justin in Jersey
Sent from a friends email
Is any body there.
I was returning from a round Europe holiday with my wife in our Europa
Classic Mono. We have been to from Scotland to Texel in Holland,
Belgium, Saumur in the Loire Valley in France. We were returning via a
friend in Jersey and I ground looped on the main runway in Jersey.
Ouch! embarrassed or what!
I was wondering if a builder or someone has a pair of broad blade warp
drive blades for an Airmaster A332 sitting waiting for an aircraft to be
built. I would replace them with brand new ones from Airmaster but I
gather that could take a month or even two. So it would be a builder who
is not going to need them for a month or two. I know it is a thin chance
but my poor Monowheel is stuck in Jersey. There was no dead stop, the
engine was idling, I even taxied off the runway but the last centimetre
of prop is slightly damaged. Alternatively the loan of a fixed pitch
prop that has been on a Europa would certainly get me onto the mainland.
The ferry cost for a 46ft rig from Poole to Jersey is fairly eye
watering.
I have sent my wife home by Easyjet which is a bit of an admission of
defeat but I think she is quite relieved.
Can anybody assist?
Justin Kennedy
G-ZTED Europa Mono Rotax 912 Airmaster A332 with Warp drive broad blades
Mobile 07798661985
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Herewith David
On 2016-07-11 15:13, Steven Pitt wrote:
> Yes please
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 11 Jul 2016, at 14:52, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
>> Dear All, Can I remind you that we have a planned fly in to East Kirkby this
Saturday, 16/7 with the possibility of seeing their Lancaster and the Lincolnshire
Aviation Heritage Centre museum. Will send a briefing sheet to anyone emailing
me to say interested
>>
>> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Justin in Jersey |
I have a fixed pitch prop I used to test fly before fitting Airmaster. But g
oing on holiday tomorrow 12th for one week. If desperate contact when I get b
ack.
Dave Park G-LDVO
Dave Park
> On 11 Jul 2016, at 19:06, Mo <alamo666@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Graham,
>
> Thanks for your interest.
> A fixed pitch prop is certainly an option. It=99s a Rotax 912S. Do y
ou know of one (says he hopefully).
> I would probably need the bolts to go with it but it would get me home.
>
> Justin
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM SINGLETON
> Sent: 11 July 2016 18:42
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Justin in Jersey
>
> Depending on the amount of damage, is it feasible to trim the other two bl
ades to balance the prop?
> What about a fixed pitch prop?
> Which engine is it, 912, 2S or 914?
> Graham
>
>
> On Monday, 11 July 2016, 17:56, Mo <alamo666@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> From: Mo [mailto:alamo666@gmail.com]
> Sent: 11 July 2016 17:19
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Justin in Jersey
>
> Sent from a friends email
>
> Is any body there.
>
> I was returning from a round Europe holiday with my wife in our Europa Cla
ssic Mono. We have been to from Scotland to Texel in Holland, Belgium, Saumu
r in the Loire Valley in France. We were returning via a friend in Jersey an
d I ground looped on the main runway in Jersey.
> Ouch! embarrassed or what!
> I was wondering if a builder or someone has a pair of broad blade warp dri
ve blades for an Airmaster A332 sitting waiting for an aircraft to be built.
I would replace them with brand new ones from Airmaster but I gather that c
ould take a month or even two. So it would be a builder who is not going to n
eed them for a month or two. I know it is a thin chance but my poor Monowhee
l is stuck in Jersey. There was no dead stop, the engine was idling, I even t
axied off the runway but the last centimetre of prop is slightly damaged. Al
ternatively the loan of a fixed pitch prop that has been on a Europa would c
ertainly get me onto the mainland. The ferry cost for a 46ft rig from Poole t
o Jersey is fairly eye watering.
> I have sent my wife home by Easyjet which is a bit of an admission of defe
at but I think she is quite relieved.
> Can anybody assist?
>
> Justin Kennedy
> G-ZTED Europa Mono Rotax 912 Airmaster A332 with Warp drive broad blades
> Mobile 07798661985
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: Justin in Jersey |
Dave,
Great stuff but what a hassle for you. If you would be prepared to lend
it to me after your holiday I will fly home the Edinburgh with my wife
and we can arrange it all when you come back.
Is yours a 912S and what is the exact propeller as I will need to OK the
change with the LAA. I would need bolts if you have them or a spec for
them.
I would like to know before you go if you get this. Where are you as I
may get a friend to fly me out to Jersey with the prop. After collecting
it from you.
Everything is tied down and safe so it will happily keep a week or so.
Do say if you feel it is too much but I will be exceeding grateful as it
would get me out of a really nasty situation.
Have a great holiday and I will be in touch when you get back.
Cheers
Justin
G-ZTED Europa Classic Mono Rotax 912S
M: 07798 661985
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david park
Sent: 11 July 2016 21:00
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Justin in Jersey
I have a fixed pitch prop I used to test fly before fitting Airmaster.
But going on holiday tomorrow 12th for one week. If desperate contact
when I get back.
Dave Park G-LDVO
Dave Park
On 11 Jul 2016, at 19:06, Mo <alamo666@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Graham,
Thanks for your interest.
A fixed pitch prop is certainly an option. It=99s a Rotax 912S. Do
you know of one (says he hopefully).
I would probably need the bolts to go with it but it would get me home.
Justin
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM
SINGLETON
Sent: 11 July 2016 18:42
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Justin in Jersey
Depending on the amount of damage, is it feasible to trim the other two
blades to balance the prop?
What about a fixed pitch prop?
Which engine is it, 912, 2S or 914?
Graham
On Monday, 11 July 2016, 17:56, Mo <alamo666@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Mo [mailto:alamo666@gmail.com]
Sent: 11 July 2016 17:19
Subject: Justin in Jersey
Sent from a friends email
Is any body there.
I was returning from a round Europe holiday with my wife in our Europa
Classic Mono. We have been to from Scotland to Texel in Holland,
Belgium, Saumur in the Loire Valley in France. We were returning via a
friend in Jersey and I ground looped on the main runway in Jersey.
Ouch! embarrassed or what!
I was wondering if a builder or someone has a pair of broad blade warp
drive blades for an Airmaster A332 sitting waiting for an aircraft to be
built. I would replace them with brand new ones from Airmaster but I
gather that could take a month or even two. So it would be a builder who
is not going to need them for a month or two. I know it is a thin chance
but my poor Monowheel is stuck in Jersey. There was no dead stop, the
engine was idling, I even taxied off the runway but the last centimetre
of prop is slightly damaged. Alternatively the loan of a fixed pitch
prop that has been on a Europa would certainly get me onto the mainland.
The ferry cost for a 46ft rig from Poole to Jersey is fairly eye
watering.
I have sent my wife home by Easyjet which is a bit of an admission of
defeat but I think she is quite relieved.
Can anybody assist?
Justin Kennedy
G-ZTED Europa Mono Rotax 912 Airmaster A332 with Warp drive broad blades
Mobile 07798661985
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Justin in Jersey |
Mine 912ULS.
Everything including spinner. Will need to find all bits when I get back.
Dave Park
> On 11 Jul 2016, at 21:50, Mo <alamo666@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> Great stuff but what a hassle for you. If you would be prepared to lend it
to me after your holiday I will fly home the Edinburgh with my wife and we c
an arrange it all when you come back.
> Is yours a 912S and what is the exact propeller as I will need to OK the c
hange with the LAA. I would need bolts if you have them or a spec for them.
> I would like to know before you go if you get this. Where are you as I may
get a friend to fly me out to Jersey with the prop. After collecting it fro
m you.
> Everything is tied down and safe so it will happily keep a week or so.
> Do say if you feel it is too much but I will be exceeding grateful as it w
ould get me out of a really nasty situation.
> Have a great holiday and I will be in touch when you get back.
> Cheers
> Justin
> G-ZTED Europa Classic Mono Rotax 912S
> M: 07798 661985
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david park
> Sent: 11 July 2016 21:00
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Justin in Jersey
>
> I have a fixed pitch prop I used to test fly before fitting Airmaster. But
going on holiday tomorrow 12th for one week. If desperate contact when I ge
t back.
> Dave Park G-LDVO
>
> Dave Park
>
>
> On 11 Jul 2016, at 19:06, Mo <alamo666@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Graham,
>
> Thanks for your interest.
> A fixed pitch prop is certainly an option. It=99s a Rotax 912S. Do y
ou know of one (says he hopefully).
> I would probably need the bolts to go with it but it would get me home.
>
> Justin
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM SINGLETON
> Sent: 11 July 2016 18:42
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Justin in Jersey
>
> Depending on the amount of damage, is it feasible to trim the other two bl
ades to balance the prop?
> What about a fixed pitch prop?
> Which engine is it, 912, 2S or 914?
> Graham
>
>
> On Monday, 11 July 2016, 17:56, Mo <alamo666@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> From: Mo [mailto:alamo666@gmail.com]
> Sent: 11 July 2016 17:19
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Justin in Jersey
>
> Sent from a friends email
>
> Is any body there.
>
> I was returning from a round Europe holiday with my wife in our Europa Cla
ssic Mono. We have been to from Scotland to Texel in Holland, Belgium, Saumu
r in the Loire Valley in France. We were returning via a friend in Jersey an
d I ground looped on the main runway in Jersey.
> Ouch! embarrassed or what!
> I was wondering if a builder or someone has a pair of broad blade warp dri
ve blades for an Airmaster A332 sitting waiting for an aircraft to be built.
I would replace them with brand new ones from Airmaster but I gather that c
ould take a month or even two. So it would be a builder who is not going to n
eed them for a month or two. I know it is a thin chance but my poor Monowhee
l is stuck in Jersey. There was no dead stop, the engine was idling, I even t
axied off the runway but the last centimetre of prop is slightly damaged. Al
ternatively the loan of a fixed pitch prop that has been on a Europa would c
ertainly get me onto the mainland. The ferry cost for a 46ft rig from Poole t
o Jersey is fairly eye watering.
> I have sent my wife home by Easyjet which is a bit of an admission of defe
at but I think she is quite relieved.
> Can anybody assist?
>
> Justin Kennedy
> G-ZTED Europa Mono Rotax 912 Airmaster A332 with Warp drive broad blades
> Mobile 07798661985
>
>
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Hi! All/David, I will try to be there, it is only 15 minutes from
Wickenby so it may be prudent to drive there depending on my carpel
tunnel and shoulder complaint . However please copy me your briefing.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
Sent: 11 July 2016 14:53
Subject: Europa-List: East Kirkby
Dear All, Can I remind you that we have a planned fly in to East Kirkby
this Saturday, 16/7 with the possibility of seeing their Lancaster and
the Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre museum. Will send a briefing
sheet to anyone emailing me to say interested
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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| Subject: | Re: Do you recognize this cockpit mod |
Graeme,
That was a Flight Crafters mod for the trigear only. However the
Berube=99 conventional often had it also. The flange was done in
four layers. The cover was normally done in a four layer, however, that
is a structural member and in a front end impact the aircraft with this
mod will buckle right across the canopy bow area if the area is cut down
considerably like flat from the back to the panel face.
I have made this cutout myself on many aircraft but frown on cutting the
tunnel lower.
To add structure back, I made the center console cover and the flanges
out of a compressed 6 layer piece of high density 8oz. glass. The
cutout has to be reinforced with a flange of considerable strength to
maintain the beam strength of the top. The flange must be six plies in
my opinion and run down on to the inside of the tunnel at least 3-4
inches overlapping each two plies over each other to take the shear of
an impact. The cover plate is screwed in using #8 or 10 screws about 3
inches apart down the sides. That makes for a robust part but it is
considerably heavier than the original couple of plies and some 3 mm
foam.
Note each engineering test firm has slightly different criteria ( I use
USAF Wright Patterson Data mostly), but a .009 thick glass ply has very
little compressive strength capability. If you layer say, six
compressed layers (i.e. no voids), at 15,000 psi for a thin flat hand
laid plate you only have .050 inches of glass and over three inches, the
math says it will hold 750 pounds, but it has little compressive
rigidness and will buckle under load unless built like an angle iron.
So make it thicker right! Well a uniform thickness with a glass to epoxy
ratio of about even may get you 100,000 PSI in a perfect sample built to
nearly a 90 degree angle, which is quite strong (it is now a longeron),
but every hole and cut you put into that cover and flange will in fact
weaken it. Fiberglass peels in bending shear so pay attention to your
molding. I=99ve seen some ugly voids which basically makes the
structure suspect...
I feel comfortable with a full ring of six plies well lapped onto the
tunnel wall all the way around and screws every three inches or so. The
cover plate should be at least 6 plies but it has to be esthetically
about the same as the piece you took out so it gets a bit thick. If you
compress the piece you took out to bending failure and you test your
filler piece and it is stronger, you did your job. I rely on the
flanges being considerably stronger than the original C section and
assume the plate is only a shear load. One must not forget to tie the
original glass to the new glass by hollowing out the edge and filling
with flox and assure there are no voids. Once complete, you can lift
the plane with the panel cutout. It is very rigid, and analytically
should take the force of a modest impact better than original.
I also recommend that Trigear owners and those conventional conversions
consider a beam be added from wall to wall to make the seat areas
connect with one another if cutting out the tunnel. That makes a
brutally strong beam across the cockpit. Not really essential to the
Trigear but worth considering on the conventional conversion. After
all, one does not care to have his =99arse be the first item on
the scene of the gear collapse.
Does my reinforcing work. A nameless client on a cross country impacted
the runway some 25 degrees nose low and porpoised some 4 times before
ramming the nose into the tarmac at a 30 degree angle and pushed the
nose gear leg into the center tunnel. The fuselage was completely
intact but all three gear were pretzels. Airport observers (mechanics
watching the approach and bounces) were astounded the aircraft was in
such good shape. No main structure was damaged. Yes the gear,were
changed out and the engine frame and nose gear, but more damage to the
plane was done grinding off paint and inspecting it than was done by the
=9Ccrash=9D. This is one tough little airplane. If you
want to stiffen the nose a bit more, lay a 2mm or 1/8 inch foam and
glass over with two layers to the area between the seat and the footwell
step. That is the common impact failure area due to buckling
I=99ve seen which puts more stress on the center tunnel.
Nigel is correct. Unless you can prove your mod is as strong as the
original structure, don=99t fool with it. Put an access panel in
the belly for the center tunnel and leave it alone. If you do cut it
out, do your homework. I did and I feel confident in my construction
and am pleased with its performance. I am as a builder my own inspector
in the US, and frankly the FAA rep just rolled his eyes and said you
damn engineers, it feels really strong to me so here is your
airworthiness certificate. Heck of a thing we put up with. 419 PL was
originally built in 2004, still going strong. 12AY has bottom access
only because it was faster lighter and easier to do.
Why avoid this mod, well it is a pain to sit in the seat and undo a
zillion screws to get to an item in the tunnel, then drop something and
try to bend over to feel around for it. The underbelly pan is a bit
more relaxing on a flat floor with a nice creeper to lay on. However it
is really dark in there and since gravity works 24/7 wear safety glasses
as every nut and bolt hits you in the face. It makes for great stomach
muscles as you continually cycle from the belly to the cockpit
unscrewing things. I have a love hate relationship with everything in
an airplane so keep it light and simple.
Note that the Europa Trigear mod which cuts out 1/3 of the side of the
tunnel has less glass than what I do and that was approved. There was
also an approved foam and glass modification to cut down a tunnel
approved but it did not have a large removable panel.
On the original mono I was always amazed how thin the glass was on the
center tunnel and as seen in crash photo=99s the tunnel will fail
on a mono. Of course it fails on a very severe impact only. One cannot
build to an impact resistant aircraft as it would never get off the
ground would it.
That=99s my two cents of boring info.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
US Europa Dealer
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations.
From: Graeme Hart
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Europa-List: Do you recognise this cockpit mod
Thanks Nigel
While that is bad news it is also good news in that I'm only starting
the build so it shouldn't be too hard to fix compared with attempting to
fix when ready to fly.
I am in New Zealand and with our smaller population it is a little
harder to find people with the experience your inspectors have. We also
have a much simpler inspection regime.
I'll contact the Europa factory and get their advice on how to reinstate
the structure. Hopefully it will just be a matter of reinstating the
missing structure with a flat panel with an appropriate number of plys
and a suitable overlap/bonding to the edges.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:48 AM, nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk
<nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Graeme,
I don't like to be the bearer of bad news but that mod was not (and
never will be) approved in the UK. The centre tunnel is a critical
structural component and by removing such a huge area of the box
section, most of the strength will have been removed with it. If it is
your intention to build the airframe to flying condition, I would
suggest involving your inspector (one with proven composite skills) to
advise on reconstructing the tunnel.
The Europa has no longeron like structures forward of the seat
moulding and it is only the tunnel that prevents the fuselage snapping
off in the event of a high "G" arrival. Typically, the fracture
initiates at the sharp corner at the lower edge of the windscreen,
propagates down the fuselage sides and across the floor. I have attached
a picture of such a failure to help concentrate the mind (I have more!).
Nigel
On 07/07/2016 21:51, Graeme Hart wrote:
Hi Alan
It is a trigear and came as a trigear from the factory.
It looks to me like the plan was to put a removable panel on the
top.
I have attached a better picture.
On 7/07/2016 11:14 pm, "Alan Burrill" <alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote:
<alanb@dpy01.co.uk>
Tri-Gear or Monowheel?
Alan
GOBJT
> On 7 Jul 2016, at 11:35, Graeme Hart
<graeme.hart@onecoolkat.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> I have a kit that started out around 1999 and has been worked on
by a number of builder since them.
>
> Does anyone recognise the mod that has been done to the cockpit.
A lot of the top of the centre console has been cut out and reinforced
around the edges.
>
> I'm hoping that this is a recognised mod and someone can point
me at documentation on what was intended.
>
> A picture of part of the cutout section is below (sorry I don't
have one of the entire cutout)
>
> I'd appreciate any leads on how this mod is intended to work.
Also, with this large hole in the top do you still need the fuel valve
access panel?
>
>
> Thanks
> Graeme
> <20160705_174300.jpg>
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| Subject: | FW: Justin in Jersey |
Fantastic, Have a great holiday.
Justin
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david park
Sent: 11 July 2016 22:21
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Justin in Jersey
Mine 912ULS.
Everything including spinner. Will need to find all bits when I get
back.
Dave Park
On 11 Jul 2016, at 21:50, Mo <alamo666@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave,
Great stuff but what a hassle for you. If you would be prepared to lend
it to me after your holiday I will fly home the Edinburgh with my wife
and we can arrange it all when you come back.
Is yours a 912S and what is the exact propeller as I will need to OK the
change with the LAA. I would need bolts if you have them or a spec for
them.
I would like to know before you go if you get this. Where are you as I
may get a friend to fly me out to Jersey with the prop. After collecting
it from you.
Everything is tied down and safe so it will happily keep a week or so.
Do say if you feel it is too much but I will be exceeding grateful as it
would get me out of a really nasty situation.
Have a great holiday and I will be in touch when you get back.
Cheers
Justin
G-ZTED Europa Classic Mono Rotax 912S
M: 07798 661985
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david park
Sent: 11 July 2016 21:00
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Justin in Jersey
I have a fixed pitch prop I used to test fly before fitting Airmaster.
But going on holiday tomorrow 12th for one week. If desperate contact
when I get back.
Dave Park G-LDVO
Dave Park
On 11 Jul 2016, at 19:06, Mo <alamo666@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Graham,
Thanks for your interest.
A fixed pitch prop is certainly an option. It=99s a Rotax 912S. Do
you know of one (says he hopefully).
I would probably need the bolts to go with it but it would get me home.
Justin
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM
SINGLETON
Sent: 11 July 2016 18:42
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Justin in Jersey
Depending on the amount of damage, is it feasible to trim the other two
blades to balance the prop?
What about a fixed pitch prop?
Which engine is it, 912, 2S or 914?
Graham
On Monday, 11 July 2016, 17:56, Mo <alamo666@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Mo [mailto:alamo666@gmail.com]
Sent: 11 July 2016 17:19
Subject: Justin in Jersey
Sent from a friends email
Is any body there.
I was returning from a round Europe holiday with my wife in our Europa
Classic Mono. We have been to from Scotland to Texel in Holland,
Belgium, Saumur in the Loire Valley in France. We were returning via a
friend in Jersey and I ground looped on the main runway in Jersey.
Ouch! embarrassed or what!
I was wondering if a builder or someone has a pair of broad blade warp
drive blades for an Airmaster A332 sitting waiting for an aircraft to be
built. I would replace them with brand new ones from Airmaster but I
gather that could take a month or even two. So it would be a builder who
is not going to need them for a month or two. I know it is a thin chance
but my poor Monowheel is stuck in Jersey. There was no dead stop, the
engine was idling, I even taxied off the runway but the last centimetre
of prop is slightly damaged. Alternatively the loan of a fixed pitch
prop that has been on a Europa would certainly get me onto the mainland.
The ferry cost for a 46ft rig from Poole to Jersey is fairly eye
watering.
I have sent my wife home by Easyjet which is a bit of an admission of
defeat but I think she is quite relieved.
Can anybody assist?
Justin Kennedy
G-ZTED Europa Mono Rotax 912 Airmaster A332 with Warp drive broad blades
Mobile 07798661985
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Hi David
Could you copy me in also.
Best Regards
Mike G-MLXP
On 11 Jul 2016 2:59 p.m., <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
> Dear All, Can I remind you that we have a planned fly in to East Kirkby
> this Saturday, 16/7 with the possibility of seeing their Lancaster and the
> Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre museum. Will send a briefing sheet to
> anyone emailing me to say interested
>
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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