---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/20/16: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:25 AM - flying one wing down (roddyeuropa@aol.com) 2. 12:54 AM - Re: flying one wing down (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 3. 04:11 AM - Non lifting weight allowance (Wladimir Kummer de Paula) 4. 08:33 AM - New Panel - Master/Ignition Switches (italianjon) 5. 09:33 AM - Re: Non lifting weight allowance (Ian Cook) 6. 10:29 AM - Re: New Panel - Master/Ignition Switches (zwakie) 7. 12:23 PM - Re: Jet Age Museum Fly In (Richard Iddon) 8. 12:56 PM - Re: Jet Age Museum Fly In (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 9. 04:35 PM - Re: Are you ready to takeoff for Oshkosh. (AirEupora) 10. 08:56 PM - Re: Re: Are you ready to takeoff for Oshkosh. (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:19 AM PST US From: roddyeuropa@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: flying one wing down Hi Since I had my europa repaired it has a tendency to fly one wing down. I suspect this may be due to one wing having been repaired by a professional sailplane repairer (Roger Targett) and this wing being more efficient at generating lift than the 15 year old, not quite so pristine, other wing. Questions for the group - 1) is there any way I can rig the ailerons to correct this? I suspect that if I adjust the aileron on the wing that drops the ailerons will just centralise slightly down. maybe a small trim tab? 2) Do others find that their europas will slowly drop a wing if flown hands off? In practice, its not a problem as I have a wing leveler installed, but I would like to correct the problem if I can at source. Regards Roddy Kesterton G-IKRK ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:00 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: flying one wing down Roddy, You can trim it to whatever sort of balance you like by adding a strip of triangular section wood under the trailing edge of the aileron of the wing you want to push down. Cross section roughly 2cm fore & aft, 5 or 6mm at thick trailing edge. Stick say 15" on temporarily and then shorten to achieve desired effect before sticking/ painting permanently. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2016-07-20 08:23, roddyeuropa@aol.com wrote: > Hi > > Since I had my europa repaired it has a tendency to fly one wing down. I suspect this may be due to one wing having been repaired by a professional sailplane repairer (Roger Targett) and this wing being more efficient at generating lift than the 15 year old, not quite so pristine, other wing. > Questions for the group - > 1) is there any way I can rig the ailerons to correct this? I suspect that if I adjust the aileron on the wing that drops the ailerons will just centralise slightly down. maybe a small trim tab? > 2) Do others find that their europas will slowly drop a wing if flown hands off? In practice, its not a problem as I have a wing leveler installed, but I would like to correct the problem if I can at source. > > Regards > > Roddy Kesterton > G-IKRK ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:08 AM PST US From: Wladimir Kummer de Paula Subject: Europa-List: Non lifting weight allowance Hello folks, After a search I couldnt find the max allowance for the non lifting weight parts. Im building the Europa Motorglider and need to calculate the max payload capability. Thanks Wladimir ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:25 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: New Panel - Master/Ignition Switches From: "italianjon" Hi All, I am well into designing a new panel, that I will probably ultimately install over the winter months. My thoughts are to place the Master Switch on a keyed 12V switch (One that does not allow the key to be removed in the "live" position); and then put the Left/Right Mags and "Alternator" Relay (i.e. Voltage Regulator disconnection relay) on to standard pole switches. The starter circuit would go on a protected push button switch. Through this process I am wondering why aircraft are wired the way they are. Is there any reason that the Master Switch is free to be switched on and the ignition is keyed? . I can see the safety aspect of starting the engine, but in my proposal this would be covered, by 1) a keyed master switch, and 2) a protected push button switch. I guess I am asking you all to sanity check the idea, because I am not sure of/can't see the negatives myself. Regards Jon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458425#458425 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:39 AM PST US From: Ian Cook Subject: RE: Europa-List: Non lifting weight allowance Wladimir, Mine has been weighed 3 times but nobody has quoted a max mass for non-lifting parts on their schedules. However, I find I have put a figure on my weighing Spread Sheet as 550 lb, but I cannot remember where I obtained that figure? If it helps please find attach SS Regards Ian Cook -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wladimir Kummer de Paula Sent: 20 July 2016 12:06 Subject: Europa-List: Non lifting weight allowance --> Hello folks, After a search I couldnt find the max allowance for the non lifting weight parts. I=C2=B4m building the Europa Motorglider and need to calculate the max payload capability. Thanks Wladimir ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:31 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: New Panel - Master/Ignition Switches From: "zwakie" Hi Jon, I am currently going the same process as you, and have decided to go with two toggle switches for the ignition circuits (with toggle guards) and a push button for the starter circuit. Exactly what you are looking into, except for that I am not putting in a keyed switch (I can see the safety aspect of having one, but in my case that isn't much of an issue so I left it out). I have done quite some research before deciding to go this way, and I could not find a single argument against this approach. I could find one benefit however: you will be able to crank the engine without firing the engine by leaving the ignition switch to the OFF position. Also I figured that by using 3 switches for these 3 functions, I will have not a single point of failure for all 3 functions (this might carry little -if any- scientific significance, but at the very minimum gives me a little extra piece of mind...) FYI: the basis of my new wiring schema is the Z16 figure from the AeroElectric Connection and the AeroElectric list here on Matronics. Tons of information can be found there, if you haven't already, please go and loose some hours absorbing all the knowledge available. -------- Marcel Zwakenberg XS TG || 912ULS || PH-SBR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458434#458434 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jet Age Museum Fly In From: Richard Iddon HI David, Hoping to make it to the JAM fly in on Saturday. Are there any specific instructions for flying in or just as on the Gloucester web site? I see there is plenty of info there. Regards, Richard > On 7 Jul 2016, at 21:20, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:04 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jet Age Museum Fly In Richard You are duly registered for one meal (let me know if more coming, but maybe you are still not up to 3 landings speed) Briefing herewith David On 2016-07-20 20:22, Richard Iddon wrote: > > HI David, > > Hoping to make it to the JAM fly in on Saturday. Are there any specific instructions for flying in or just as on the Gloucester web site? I see there is plenty of info there. > > Regards, > > Richard > >> On 7 Jul 2016, at 21:20, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > Links: ------ [1] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [2] http://forums.matronics.com [3] http://wiki.matronics.com [4] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:57 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Are you ready to takeoff for Oshkosh. From: "AirEupora" Took an early morning flight in N120EJ to have a new connector put on my VOR cable. Once the new connector and a check with the ground base VOR headed up to 10000 feet. It was beautiful here in northern California. I could see to the fog shrouded San Francisco Bay. Over hundred miles away. Fresh oil and filter, good compression check I'm headed for KOSH on Friday morning. Might make it on Saturday or Sunday. According to My iPad it's right at 13.5 hours and 71 gallons of fuel. I'll be following I-80 most of the way through the mountains. Once I reach Rawlings, WY. It's down hill to KOSH. Looking forward to see all the Europa's and their owners. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458448#458448 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0010_287.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:37 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Are you ready to takeoff for Oshkosh. It's midnight and I was thwarted by a failing starter armature. No time to get a new one, so I'm driving tomorrow to PIE to visit family and friends by Friday evening and then drive the couple hours north to Osh arriving Sunday night... Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: AirEupora Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:34 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Are you ready to takeoff for Oshkosh. Took an early morning flight in N120EJ to have a new connector put on my VOR cable. Once the new connector and a check with the ground base VOR headed up to 10000 feet. It was beautiful here in northern California. I could see to the fog shrouded San Francisco Bay. Over hundred miles away. Fresh oil and filter, good compression check I'm headed for KOSH on Friday morning. Might make it on Saturday or Sunday. According to My iPad it's right at 13.5 hours and 71 gallons of fuel. I'll be following I-80 most of the way through the mountains. Once I reach Rawlings, WY. It's down hill to KOSH. Looking forward to see all the Europa's and their owners. 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