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1. 12:38 AM - 8.33khz and the Netherlands (Bob Hitchcock)
2. 01:28 AM - Re: Cost of Flying in the USA (rampil)
3. 01:33 AM - Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
4. 01:53 AM - Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands (Alan Burrill)
5. 02:31 AM - BBQ At Brimpton 10th September 2016 (Alan Burrill)
6. 03:05 AM - BBQ Invite at Brimpton Airfield (Burrilla)
7. 08:49 AM - Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands (Richard Iddon)
8. 11:35 AM - Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands (Bob Harrison)
9. 12:27 PM - Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
10. 03:44 PM - Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands (zwakie)
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| Subject: | 8.33khz and the Netherlands |
Hi All
It's a fair point. The first Dutch fine has apparently already been issued to UK
a pilot! So this is serious stuff.
7,500 fine for being unable to select an 8.33Khz channel when in Dutch airspace
that required it. Apparently, the level of fine can be increased in steps up
to 22,500 for subsequent misdemeanours.
Regards
Bob Hitchcock
XS Mono
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of Flying in the USA |
Insurance costs are based on your flight experience and ratings and your liability
limits and hull value, etc. I've see fees in the range of $1200-2700 per year.
The FAA charges are a whopping $5.00 per three year registration cycle
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands |
Alan, Since Jan 2014 8.33 has been compulsory for classC or above
anywhere in Europe (see Flying in Europe on club website) We don't have
class C but a lot of continental countries do and Holland in particular
has lots.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2016-07-25 22:17, Alan Burrill wrote:
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> http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/2016-06-09-AIRAC/eAIP/html/index-en-GB.html [1]
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> For those of you planning on a visit to Texel this year it's worth ensuring you
read AIC-A 02/2016. The link above should take you there.
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> It would appear that some frequencies are being converted to 8.33khz operation
and unless you have the capability of selecting an assigned frequency you may
be refused access to the area you are wanting to cross.
>
> Alan Burrill
> G-OBJT
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| Subject: | Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands |
Thanks David I was aware of that, I initiated the NATS project to deal with 8
.33.
Not everyone is aware however and it would appear that it's not only class c
airspace the Dutch are targeting but more important some people are not awa
re and ending up with problems.
Alan
Sent from my iPad
> On 26 Jul 2016, at 09:31, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
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> Alan, Since Jan 2014 8.33 has been compulsory for classC or above anywhere
in Europe (see Flying in Europe on club website) We don't have class C but a
lot of continental countries do and Holland in particular has lots.
>
> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
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>> On 2016-07-25 22:17, Alan Burrill wrote:
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>> http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/2016-06-09-AIRAC/eAIP/html/index-en-GB.
html
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>> For those of you planning on a visit to Texel this year it's worth ensuri
ng you read AIC-A 02/2016. The link above should take you there.
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>> It would appear that some frequencies are being converted to 8.33khz oper
ation and unless you have the capability of selecting an assigned frequency y
ou may be refused access to the area you are wanting to cross.
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>> Alan Burrill
>> G-OBJT
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>> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
>> ics.com
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>> .matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | BBQ At Brimpton 10th September 2016 |
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| Subject: | BBQ Invite at Brimpton Airfield |
We are holding a BBQ for Europa and Tecnam aircraft at Brimpton Airfield on the
10th September 2016.
Please PPR on the Brimpton Website so we can gauge numbers.
http://www.brimpton-airfield.co.uk/s/index.php/welcome
Hope to see you there
Alan Burrill
G-OBJT
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| Subject: | Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands |
Ah Well,
Was going to go to Texel but not now as I do not have an 8.33 radio. Dont want
to take the risk of a large fine.
Richard Iddon
G-RIXS
> On 25 Jul 2016, at 22:17, Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote:
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>
>
> http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/2016-06-09-AIRAC/eAIP/html/index-en-GB.html
>
> For those of you planning on a visit to Texel this year it's worth ensuring you
read AIC-A 02/2016. The link above should take you there.
>
> It would appear that some frequencies are being converted to 8.33khz operation
and unless you have the capability of selecting an assigned frequency you may
be refused access to the area you are wanting to cross.
>
> Alan Burrill
> G-OBJT
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| Subject: | 8.33khz and the Netherlands |
Hi! Richard,
Subject to status of Shoulder operations I'm expecting to fly the North Sea Direct
again. I dont think that the new system will apply to Texel except it will
be necessary to approach the coast beyond the De-koy(?) Zone.( Still need to
verify though) May be possible to check with the rally organisers yet.
Regards Bob H
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon
Sent: 26 July 2016 16:48
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 8.33khz and the Netherlands
Ah Well,
Was going to go to Texel but not now as I do not have an 8.33 radio. Dont want
to take the risk of a large fine.
Richard Iddon
G-RIXS
> On 25 Jul 2016, at 22:17, Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/2016-06-09-AIRAC/eAIP/html/index-en-
> GB.html
>
> For those of you planning on a visit to Texel this year it's worth ensuring you
read AIC-A 02/2016. The link above should take you there.
>
> It would appear that some frequencies are being converted to 8.33khz operation
and unless you have the capability of selecting an assigned frequency you may
be refused access to the area you are wanting to cross.
>
> Alan Burrill
> G-OBJT
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| Subject: | 8.33khz and the Netherlands |
Richard, I am pretty clear tha tit is just those 7 to 10 mile radius
class C zones round the major airports that are the problem. If you fly
round them, which isn't difficult you should be fine. But maybe Tim
Weert will give us the definitive answer ? You can always join the 6Ns
and we will take you there in formation!
Regards, David
On 2016-07-26 19:34, Bob Harrison wrote:
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> Hi! Richard,
> Subject to status of Shoulder operations I'm expecting to fly the North Sea Direct
again. I don't think that the new system will apply to Texel except it will
be necessary to approach the coast beyond the De-koy(?) Zone.( Still need
to verify though) May be possible to check with the rally organisers yet.
> Regards Bob H
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon
> Sent: 26 July 2016 16:48
> To: Europa Forum
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: 8.33khz and the Netherlands
>
>
> Ah Well,
>
> Was going to go to Texel but not now as I do not have an 8.33 radio. Don't want
to take the risk of a large fine.
>
> Richard Iddon
>
> G-RIXS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands |
davidjoyce(at)doctors.org wrote:
> Richard, I am pretty clear tha tit is just those 7 to 10 mile radius class C
zones round the major airports that are the problem. If you fly round them, which
isn't difficult you should be fine. But maybe Tim Weert will give us the definitive
answer ?
That is correct, currently 8.33 is compulsary for Class C only and indeed the CTR's
that have switched to 8.33 are 8 miles radius (although Amsterdam have a
little 'bump' added to the regular CTR in the soutch and the north). I would expect
the route north will keep outside Rotterdam CTR and Amsterdam CTR anyway,
the only CTR to doublecheck would then be De Kooy (although you can easily circumnavigate
easterly from the De Kooy and forget about it altogehter.
In short: no big deal!
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Marcel Zwakenberg
XS TG || 912ULS || PH-SBR
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