---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/26/16: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:38 AM - 8.33khz and the Netherlands (Bob Hitchcock) 2. 01:28 AM - Re: Cost of Flying in the USA (rampil) 3. 01:33 AM - Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 4. 01:53 AM - Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands (Alan Burrill) 5. 02:31 AM - BBQ At Brimpton 10th September 2016 (Alan Burrill) 6. 03:05 AM - BBQ Invite at Brimpton Airfield (Burrilla) 7. 08:49 AM - Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands (Richard Iddon) 8. 11:35 AM - Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands (Bob Harrison) 9. 12:27 PM - Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 10. 03:44 PM - Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands (zwakie) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:22 AM PST US From: Bob Hitchcock Subject: Europa-List: 8.33khz and the Netherlands Hi All It's a fair point. The first Dutch fine has apparently already been issued to UK a pilot! So this is serious stuff. 7,500 fine for being unable to select an 8.33Khz channel when in Dutch airspace that required it. Apparently, the level of fine can be increased in steps up to 22,500 for subsequent misdemeanours. Regards Bob Hitchcock XS Mono ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:49 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cost of Flying in the USA From: "rampil" Insurance costs are based on your flight experience and ratings and your liability limits and hull value, etc. I've see fees in the range of $1200-2700 per year. The FAA charges are a whopping $5.00 per three year registration cycle -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458709#458709 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:15 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: 8.33khz and the Netherlands Alan, Since Jan 2014 8.33 has been compulsory for classC or above anywhere in Europe (see Flying in Europe on club website) We don't have class C but a lot of continental countries do and Holland in particular has lots. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2016-07-25 22:17, Alan Burrill wrote: > > http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/2016-06-09-AIRAC/eAIP/html/index-en-GB.html [1] > > For those of you planning on a visit to Texel this year it's worth ensuring you read AIC-A 02/2016. The link above should take you there. > > It would appear that some frequencies are being converted to 8.33khz operation and unless you have the capability of selecting an assigned frequency you may be refused access to the area you are wanting to cross. > > Alan Burrill > G-OBJT > Links: ------ [1] http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/2016-06-09-AIRAC/eAIP/html/index-en-GB.html [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:48 AM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: 8.33khz and the Netherlands Thanks David I was aware of that, I initiated the NATS project to deal with 8 .33. Not everyone is aware however and it would appear that it's not only class c airspace the Dutch are targeting but more important some people are not awa re and ending up with problems. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 26 Jul 2016, at 09:31, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > > > > Alan, Since Jan 2014 8.33 has been compulsory for classC or above anywhere in Europe (see Flying in Europe on club website) We don't have class C but a lot of continental countries do and Holland in particular has lots. > > Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ > > >> On 2016-07-25 22:17, Alan Burrill wrote: >> >> >> >> http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/2016-06-09-AIRAC/eAIP/html/index-en-GB. html >> >> For those of you planning on a visit to Texel this year it's worth ensuri ng you read AIC-A 02/2016. The link above should take you there. >> >> It would appear that some frequencies are being converted to 8.33khz oper ation and unless you have the capability of selecting an assigned frequency y ou may be refused access to the area you are wanting to cross. >> >> Alan Burrill >> G-OBJT >> >> >> >> >> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >> ics.com >> .com >> .matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:05 AM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Europa-List: BBQ At Brimpton 10th September 2016 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:09 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: BBQ Invite at Brimpton Airfield From: "Burrilla" We are holding a BBQ for Europa and Tecnam aircraft at Brimpton Airfield on the 10th September 2016. Please PPR on the Brimpton Website so we can gauge numbers. http://www.brimpton-airfield.co.uk/s/index.php/welcome Hope to see you there Alan Burrill G-OBJT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458713#458713 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/flyin2016_postcard_613.pdf ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 8.33khz and the Netherlands From: Richard Iddon Ah Well, Was going to go to Texel but not now as I do not have an 8.33 radio. Dont want to take the risk of a large fine. Richard Iddon G-RIXS > On 25 Jul 2016, at 22:17, Alan Burrill wrote: > > > > http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/2016-06-09-AIRAC/eAIP/html/index-en-GB.html > > For those of you planning on a visit to Texel this year it's worth ensuring you read AIC-A 02/2016. The link above should take you there. > > It would appear that some frequencies are being converted to 8.33khz operation and unless you have the capability of selecting an assigned frequency you may be refused access to the area you are wanting to cross. > > Alan Burrill > G-OBJT ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:24 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 8.33khz and the Netherlands Hi! Richard, Subject to status of Shoulder operations I'm expecting to fly the North Sea Direct again. I dont think that the new system will apply to Texel except it will be necessary to approach the coast beyond the De-koy(?) Zone.( Still need to verify though) May be possible to check with the rally organisers yet. Regards Bob H -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Sent: 26 July 2016 16:48 Subject: Re: Europa-List: 8.33khz and the Netherlands Ah Well, Was going to go to Texel but not now as I do not have an 8.33 radio. Dont want to take the risk of a large fine. Richard Iddon G-RIXS > On 25 Jul 2016, at 22:17, Alan Burrill wrote: > > > > http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/2016-06-09-AIRAC/eAIP/html/index-en- > GB.html > > For those of you planning on a visit to Texel this year it's worth ensuring you read AIC-A 02/2016. The link above should take you there. > > It would appear that some frequencies are being converted to 8.33khz operation and unless you have the capability of selecting an assigned frequency you may be refused access to the area you are wanting to cross. > > Alan Burrill > G-OBJT ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:18 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: RE: Europa-List: 8.33khz and the Netherlands Richard, I am pretty clear tha tit is just those 7 to 10 mile radius class C zones round the major airports that are the problem. If you fly round them, which isn't difficult you should be fine. But maybe Tim Weert will give us the definitive answer ? You can always join the 6Ns and we will take you there in formation! Regards, David On 2016-07-26 19:34, Bob Harrison wrote: > > Hi! Richard, > Subject to status of Shoulder operations I'm expecting to fly the North Sea Direct again. I don't think that the new system will apply to Texel except it will be necessary to approach the coast beyond the De-koy(?) Zone.( Still need to verify though) May be possible to check with the rally organisers yet. > Regards Bob H > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon > Sent: 26 July 2016 16:48 > To: Europa Forum > Subject: Re: Europa-List: 8.33khz and the Netherlands > > > Ah Well, > > Was going to go to Texel but not now as I do not have an 8.33 radio. Don't want to take the risk of a large fine. > > Richard Iddon > > G-RIXS > > Links: ------ [1] http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/2016-06-09-AIRAC/eAIP/html/index-en- [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:51 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 8.33khz and the Netherlands From: "zwakie" davidjoyce(at)doctors.org wrote: > Richard, I am pretty clear tha tit is just those 7 to 10 mile radius class C zones round the major airports that are the problem. If you fly round them, which isn't difficult you should be fine. But maybe Tim Weert will give us the definitive answer ? That is correct, currently 8.33 is compulsary for Class C only and indeed the CTR's that have switched to 8.33 are 8 miles radius (although Amsterdam have a little 'bump' added to the regular CTR in the soutch and the north). I would expect the route north will keep outside Rotterdam CTR and Amsterdam CTR anyway, the only CTR to doublecheck would then be De Kooy (although you can easily circumnavigate easterly from the De Kooy and forget about it altogehter. In short: no big deal! -------- Marcel Zwakenberg XS TG || 912ULS || PH-SBR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458742#458742 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.