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1. 01:12 AM - Re: Re: Rain passing through fuel cap (James Kelly)
2. 01:16 AM - Re: Report: Nye grease nose-wheel fork friction (James Kelly)
3. 01:28 AM - Re: Report: Nye grease nose-wheel fork friction (david park)
4. 02:30 AM - Re: LiFeO4 batteries? (Tim Ward)
5. 02:30 AM - shoraiLfxInstallGuide (Tim Ward)
6. 02:34 AM - Re: Rain passing through fuel cap (Rick Moss)
7. 03:20 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground (Kingsley Hurst)
8. 04:02 AM - Re: LiFeO4 batteries? (Tim Ward)
9. 04:57 AM - Re: LiFeO4 batteries? (Brian Davies)
10. 07:42 AM - Re: LiFeO4 batteries? (Remi Guerner)
11. 07:50 AM - Re: LiFeO4 batteries? (Remi Guerner)
12. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: Rain passing through fuel cap (James Kelly)
13. 09:03 AM - Trip report Audley End house and gardens nr Stanstead (graeme bird)
14. 09:27 AM - Going foreign (Richard Iddon)
15. 10:09 AM - Re: Going foreign (graeme bird)
16. 11:31 AM - Re: Going foreign (James Kelly)
17. 12:21 PM - Re: Fw: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground (Frans Veldman)
18. 01:43 PM - Re: Fw: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground (William Daniell)
19. 08:43 PM - Re: Fw: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground (Kingsley Hurst)
20. 09:37 PM - Re: Fw: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground (Frans Veldman)
21. 09:37 PM - Re: Fw: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground (Frans Veldman)
22. 11:01 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
23. 11:04 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Rain passing through fuel cap |
Hello Rick, Is your Europa still at Darley Moor ? Next question what was
the problem with Carlton Moor ? Final question when are you next flying to
Tatenhill?
Best wishes
Jim
G-BWEG
On Sunday, 31 July 2016, Rick Moss <Rkwmoss@gmail.com> wrote:
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> The cap I ordered from Europa was delivered from stock the next day, fits
> perfectly and is 70mm OD; maybe they ordered some from Bud too?
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| Subject: | Re: Report: Nye grease nose-wheel fork friction |
Hi Dave,
Did you remember to photograph the Ultimate Ventilator
position for me ?
Have you flown to Alderney yet, if not fancy a flight?
Jim
On Sunday, 31 July 2016, david park <dpark748@icloud.com> wrote:
> <javascript:;>>
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> I also used sticky grease! Can't remember name, it's in the hangar. I
> found it difficult to turn on the brakes and have reverted to the original
> system. Will compare you product with mine?
>
>
> Dave Park
>
>
> > On 31 Jul 2016, at 22:58, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
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> jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk <javascript:;>>
> >
> > Just over 3 years ago I got my mono converted to tri-gear and it was
> suggested to use the Nye product as a means of enabling the nose-wheel to
> castor smoothly i.e. no jerky snatching when initiating turns with brakes.
> Because this grease can also be used as a lubricant, I applied it to the
> spindle and bronze bushes.
> >
> > This was an excellent idea which has worked smoothly and trouble free
> during over 200 hours and about 250 flights. As time goes by the grease on
> the friction disc gradually gets squeezed out around the edge of the disc
> and needs to be wiped away.
> >
> > A couple of flights ago I experienced slight nose-wheel shimmy while
> landing and therefore tightened the nut at the top of the spindle, before
> making another flight and getting a repeat of the shimmy.
> >
> > So today I removed the nose-wheel fork and was slightly surprised to
> discover that there were only a few slight traces of Nye grease on the
> friction disc, which had become glass smooth and dry without any
> stickiness. The grease remaining on the spindle and the bushes had become
> somewhat less sticky and was quite easy to wipe away.
> >
> > All metal surfaces were corrosion free, unmarked and look new, so the
> grease definitely lubricates and protects. Following thorough cleaning with
> acetone and paper towel, I applied new grease as before and reassembled,
> checking that the nose-wheel fork has similar resistance to being turned.
> >
> > Hindsight is marvellous and I thought when driving home that perhaps I
> should have slightly roughened the friction disc to give the grease a
> better surface to hold. Ah well, next time!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458993#458993
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| Subject: | Re: Report: Nye grease nose-wheel fork friction |
Will be down on Saturday will send then.
Dave
Dave Park
> On 1 Aug 2016, at 09:16, James Kelly <europajimkelly@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
> Did you remember to photograph the Ultimate Ventilator pos
ition for me ?
> Have you flown to Alderney yet, if not fancy a flight?
> Jim
>
>> On Sunday, 31 July 2016, david park <dpark748@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> I also used sticky grease! Can't remember name, it's in the hangar. I fou
nd it difficult to turn on the brakes and have reverted to the original syst
em. Will compare you product with mine?
>>
>>
>> Dave Park
>>
>>
>> > On 31 Jul 2016, at 22:58, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
:
>> >
o.uk>
>> >
>> > Just over 3 years ago I got my mono converted to tri-gear and it was su
ggested to use the Nye product as a means of enabling the nose-wheel to cast
or smoothly i.e. no jerky snatching when initiating turns with brakes. Becau
se this grease can also be used as a lubricant, I applied it to the spindle a
nd bronze bushes.
>> >
>> > This was an excellent idea which has worked smoothly and trouble free d
uring over 200 hours and about 250 flights. As time goes by the grease on th
e friction disc gradually gets squeezed out around the edge of the disc and n
eeds to be wiped away.
>> >
>> > A couple of flights ago I experienced slight nose-wheel shimmy while la
nding and therefore tightened the nut at the top of the spindle, before maki
ng another flight and getting a repeat of the shimmy.
>> >
>> > So today I removed the nose-wheel fork and was slightly surprised to di
scover that there were only a few slight traces of Nye grease on the frictio
n disc, which had become glass smooth and dry without any stickiness. The gr
ease remaining on the spindle and the bushes had become somewhat less sticky
and was quite easy to wipe away.
>> >
>> > All metal surfaces were corrosion free, unmarked and look new, so the g
rease definitely lubricates and protects. Following thorough cleaning with a
cetone and paper towel, I applied new grease as before and reassembled, chec
king that the nose-wheel fork has similar resistance to being turned.
>> >
>> > Hindsight is marvellous and I thought when driving home that perhaps I s
hould have slightly roughened the friction disc to give the grease a better s
urface to hold. Ah well, next time!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
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>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458993#458993
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| Subject: | Re: LiFeO4 batteries? |
Hi Clive,
I have a Shorai motorbike battery for my 912s Rotax engine.
Wonderfully light and powerful. Certainly needed in winter here. This mornin
g it started without a problem with a -3C frost!
See;
Shoraipower.com
Due to the more powerful 912s compared to the 912 Rotax came out with a more
powerful starter motor to overcome the higher compression of the 912s. My 9
12s came with the 912 starter. Unfortunately because I have the engine frame
for the Monowheel Classic there was inadequate room to fit the new starter m
otor. To overcome that I have to have a powerful battery for starting.
Answer to your questions,
1) What is the typical life of these batteries (experience data preferred ov
er product information)?
Not sure but still good after three years
> 2) What UK supplier did you use?
Sorry not sure, look at website.
> 3) If you have a Rotax 912S, which battery did you choose?
Shorai LFX09L2-BS12 12v
> 4) As a result of the weight save, did you have to relocate the battery to
preserve W&B, and if so where did you site it?
No, still ok on top of the starboard footwell. I have a Monowheel Classic
> 5) Do the LAA care about the fitment of these batteries/any permit complic
ations?
Not sure about LAA. In NZ as far as I know all ok.
I will send the installation instructions shortly.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
> On 30/07/2016, at 7:42 PM, Clive Sutton <clive.maf@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
m>
>
> I need to replace my PC680 AGM battery. The weight advantage of choosing o
ne of the new generation Lithium iron phosphate batteries is stunning (sever
al kg). The weight-saving comes at a price premium of course.
>
> Does any Europa owner have one of these LiFeo4 batteries in service and in
particular:
>
> 1) What is the typical life of these batteries (experience data preferred o
ver product information)?
> 2) What UK supplier did you use?
> 3) If you have a Rotax 912S, which battery did you choose?
> 4) As a result of the weight save, did you have to relocate the battery to
preserve W&B, and if so where did you site it?
> 5) Do the LAA care about the fitment of these batteries/any permit complic
ations?
>
> All comment appreciated
>
>
> Clive
> G-YETI
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458899#458899
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| Subject: | shoraiLfxInstallGuide |
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
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| Subject: | Re: Rain passing through fuel cap |
Hi Jim,
I'm now at Barton and have been for around a year; Darley Moor was fine operationally,
but challenging politically! Too many people moving my aircraft without
due care and some very territorial hangar occupants. I also moved house making
Barton much closer and worth the extra 50pcm.
Calton Moor was the opposite; brilliantly run by a friendly owner with good hangar
mates and good hangars. Sadly I wasn't comfortable taking off on 06 due to
the house situated at the 24 end. Now I have more experience on type, it'd probably
be fine, but I'd still be nervous on a hot day, even solo. The runway undulates
significantly, which I found extended the takeoff roll, so I was only
ever happy flying light even from 24 with its clear departure. I didn't want
to be the second Europa to impact the wall at the end!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459010#459010
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground |
Hello Frans
Regarding thinner radiators working better than thick ones ....... Does this hold
true for radiators of the same area?
Cheers
Kingsley in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: LiFeO4 batteries? |
Pete,
The Dreamliner problem was not the battery itself but the battery charging unit.
Overcharged it causing cells to overheat and runner away. They did increase
the space between cells but the main remedy was to build circuitry that controlled
the charging. They enclosed it with a vent overboard because the fumes were
very nasty!
Cheers,
TIM
Sent from my iPhone
> On 30/07/2016, at 8:11 PM, Peter Jeffers <pjeffers@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Clive,
> Answer to item 5 is that the LAA do care a lot. You may recall issues with
> Li/Fe batteries in the Boeing Dreamliner.
> You also need to be aware that your current regulator on the Rotax engine is
> not designed for charging Li/Fe batteries. I believe you will need some
> added electronics to control this side of things.
> Yes they are very light weight with superb performance but there are
> additional problems and an enormous price tag for the moment at least.
> You will probably require a Mod approval from the LAA.
>
>
> Pete Jeffers LAA rep to the Europa Club
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clive Sutton
> Sent: 30 July 2016 08:42
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: LiFeO4 batteries?
>
> --> <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
>
> I need to replace my PC680 AGM battery. The weight advantage of choosing
> one of the new generation Lithium iron phosphate batteries is stunning
> (several kg). The weight-saving comes at a price premium of course.
>
> Does any Europa owner have one of these LiFeo4 batteries in service and in
> particular:
>
> 1) What is the typical life of these batteries (experience data preferred
> over product information)?
> 2) What UK supplier did you use?
> 3) If you have a Rotax 912S, which battery did you choose?
> 4) As a result of the weight save, did you have to relocate the battery to
> preserve W&B, and if so where did you site it?
> 5) Do the LAA care about the fitment of these batteries/any permit
> complications?
>
> All comment appreciated
>
>
> Clive
> G-YETI
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458899#458899
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| Subject: | LiFeO4 batteries? |
As mentioned in an earlier post the LAA have produced a Technical Leaflet on
LiFepo4 batteries. Not all Lithium batteries are suitable. The ones listed
in the leaflet have been checked to make sure they are compatible and will
operate safely in a Rotax installation without further electronics. One
important but possibly obvious point to note. Most Lithium batteries have a
much higher cranking current capacity than an equivalent lead acid battery.
As a result most suppliers recommend a much lower capacity Lithium battery
as a direct replacement. Although a much lower capacity Lithium battery
will start your Rotax it won't keep you supplied with electrics for very
long if the alternator fails. Hence the restriction on the use of a small
Lithium battery in a Rotax 914 installation.
Regards
Brian Davies
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Jeffers
Sent: 30 July 2016 09:11
Subject: RE: Europa-List: LiFeO4 batteries?
--> <pjeffers@talktalk.net>
Hi Clive,
Answer to item 5 is that the LAA do care a lot. You may recall issues with
Li/Fe batteries in the Boeing Dreamliner.
You also need to be aware that your current regulator on the Rotax engine is
not designed for charging Li/Fe batteries. I believe you will need some
added electronics to control this side of things.
Yes they are very light weight with superb performance but there are
additional problems and an enormous price tag for the moment at least.
You will probably require a Mod approval from the LAA.
Pete Jeffers LAA rep to the Europa Club
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clive Sutton
Sent: 30 July 2016 08:42
Subject: Europa-List: LiFeO4 batteries?
--> <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
I need to replace my PC680 AGM battery. The weight advantage of choosing
one of the new generation Lithium iron phosphate batteries is stunning
(several kg). The weight-saving comes at a price premium of course.
Does any Europa owner have one of these LiFeo4 batteries in service and in
particular:
1) What is the typical life of these batteries (experience data preferred
over product information)?
2) What UK supplier did you use?
3) If you have a Rotax 912S, which battery did you choose?
4) As a result of the weight save, did you have to relocate the battery to
preserve W&B, and if so where did you site it?
5) Do the LAA care about the fitment of these batteries/any permit
complications?
All comment appreciated
Clive
G-YETI
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=458899#458899
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| Subject: | Re: LiFeO4 batteries? |
I have installed a Super B 7800 Lithium battery one year ago to replace my 5 year
old Odyssey PC545. It works fine but is very sensitive to the ambient temperature;
in summer it cranks the 912S faster than the Odyssey but as soon as the
temp gets below 10 deg.C it seems to crank slower than the old PC545. I did
not have the opportunity to try at freezing temperature up to now.
The battery is installed in place of the Odyssey on the starboard footwell (picture
attached)
Regarding weight and balance, I saved an impressive 5 kg, 4 kgs for the battery
itself and 1 kg after removal of the lead I had bolted to the tail to keep the
balance within limits.
Remi
F-PGKL Monowheel
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| Subject: | Re: LiFeO4 batteries? |
It seems my pic did not get trough
Here it is
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| Subject: | Re: Rain passing through fuel cap |
You sound like a wise man. Keep in touch Rick.
Fair winds
On 1 Aug 2016 10:37 a.m., "Rick Moss" <Rkwmoss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I'm now at Barton and have been for around a year; Darley Moor was fine
> operationally, but challenging politically! Too many people moving my
> aircraft without due care and some very territorial hangar occupants. I
> also moved house making Barton much closer and worth the extra =C2=A350pc
m.
>
> Calton Moor was the opposite; brilliantly run by a friendly owner with
> good hangar mates and good hangars. Sadly I wasn't comfortable taking off
> on 06 due to the house situated at the 24 end. Now I have more experience
> on type, it'd probably be fine, but I'd still be nervous on a hot day, ev
en
> solo. The runway undulates significantly, which I found extended the
> takeoff roll, so I was only ever happy flying light even from 24 with its
> clear departure. I didn't want to be the second Europa to impact the wall
> at the end!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459010#459010
>
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| Subject: | Trip report Audley End house and gardens nr Stanstead |
just in case anyone in europe is interested, a worthwhile destination;
http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=101095
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 200 hours 4 years on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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Been a few years since I ventured abroad in my plane but am considering a trip
next weekend. I use Sky Demon so is the best way to file flight plan & GAR via
this medium? Havent filed a GAR this way before and spotted some mixed reviews
on filing via SD.
Richard Iddon
G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Going foreign |
Seems to work for me, so simple. Add a few alternates and if you can, file the
return trip at the same time.
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 200 hours 4 years on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Going foreign |
Hi Richard,
I've crossed the Channel six times using SD absolutely
no problems.
Fair winds
Jim G-BWEG Classic taildragger
On 1 Aug 2016 5:29 p.m., "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com> wrote:
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> Been a few years since I ventured abroad in my plane but am considering a
> trip next weekend. I use Sky Demon so is the best way to file flight plan
&
> GAR via this medium? Haven=99t filed a GAR this way before and spot
ted some
> mixed reviews on filing via SD.
>
> Richard Iddon
>
> G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground |
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Hello Kingsley,
> Regarding thinner radiators working better than thick ones .......
> Does this hold true for radiators of the same area?
The radiator I use has a slightly larger area but it also indirectly
cools the oil. So yes I would say that even with the same area you
would be better of with a thinner radiator. You need air going through
the radiator but the original radiator is simply too thick for the
airspeeds we are using and it almost blocks the air. I don't know
where this design came from, but I have not seen any other airplane in
our speed range which has a radiator that thick. The certified
arplanes which use a Rotax engine all have a thin radiator and almost
no air cooling of the cylinders and none of them have the cooling
problems we have with our Europa's.
To have the radiator in front of the engine also enables you to
"recycle" the air coming out of the radiator to air cool the engine
and to draw away the heat from the exhaust stack for free. Less air
"consumption" means less drag, and you don't need the unsightly and
draggy doghouse anymore because a very small air exit is all you need.
Greetings,
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground |
So do you think that, keeping the original cowling and the oil coller you
could have a larger thinner rad with the oil coller behind as per the
original stock design?
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
wrote:
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> Hello Kingsley,
>
> > Regarding thinner radiators working better than thick ones .......
> > Does this hold true for radiators of the same area?
>
> The radiator I use has a slightly larger area but it also indirectly
> cools the oil. So yes I would say that even with the same area you
> would be better of with a thinner radiator. You need air going through
> the radiator but the original radiator is simply too thick for the
> airspeeds we are using and it almost blocks the air. I don't know
> where this design came from, but I have not seen any other airplane in
> our speed range which has a radiator that thick. The certified
> arplanes which use a Rotax engine all have a thin radiator and almost
> no air cooling of the cylinders and none of them have the cooling
> problems we have with our Europa's.
> To have the radiator in front of the engine also enables you to
> "recycle" the air coming out of the radiator to air cool the engine
> and to draw away the heat from the exhaust stack for free. Less air
> "consumption" means less drag, and you don't need the unsightly and
> draggy doghouse anymore because a very small air exit is all you need.
>
> Greetings,
> Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground |
Thank you Frans. I wish I was a bit closer to you so I could have a look at your
set-up.
Personally I would be hesitant to block off airflow over the engine because in
the event of loss of coolant, the fins on the cylinders would be rendered inoperable.
I was most grateful for this secondary cooling provided on the Rotax engine
when I blew a coolant hose some time ago. The Europa supplied hoses were
crap and I have much more confidence in Stefan's silicone hoses.
Thanks again for your much valued wisdom.
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground |
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On 08/02/2016 05:27 AM, Kingsley Hurst wrote:
> Personally I would be hesitant to block off airflow over the
> engine because in the event of loss of coolant, the fins on the
> cylinders would be rendered inoperable.
The fins on the cylinders will cool only that: the cylinder walls.
They won't cool the cylinder heads. I'm not sure what gain you would
expect from improved cooling of the cylinder walls.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground |
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On 08/01/2016 10:37 PM, William Daniell wrote:
> So do you think that, keeping the original cowling and the oil
> coller you could have a larger thinner rad with the oil coller
> behind as per the original stock design?
Might well be possible but I can't guarantee that of course.
Frans
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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