---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/08/16: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:52 AM - Re: Electric Flaps Actuator name/model and Aerodynamic loads. (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk) 2. 10:28 AM - Re: Trip report Versailles St Cyr L ecole (Richard Iddon) 3. 12:44 PM - Ipad kneeboard solution? (Richard Iddon) 4. 12:48 PM - Travel insurance (Richard Iddon) 5. 12:54 PM - Fw: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground (Roland) 6. 12:54 PM - Re: Ipad kneeboard solution? (Alasdair Milne) 7. 01:02 PM - Re: Ipad kneeboard solution? (Richard Iddon) 8. 01:42 PM - Re: Fw: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground (Bud Yerly) 9. 02:04 PM - Re: Electric Flaps Actuator name/model and Aerodynamic loads. (Kelvin Weston) 10. 02:09 PM - Re: Electric Flaps Actuator name/model and Aerodynamic loads. (Kelvin Weston) 11. 02:27 PM - Re: Ipad kneeboard solution? (Kelvin Weston) 12. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Ipad kneeboard solution? (Tim Ward) 13. 07:09 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/07/16 (Tony Renshaw) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric Flaps Actuator name/model and Aerodynamic loads. From: "nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk" Hi Tony, Two actuators have been specified over the years. Early Tri-gears used "Motion Systems" type 85615, but once the company discovered they were being used in aircraft, declined to supply any more. They are still being manufactured and design data can be found here: http://www.actuator.com/products/product/linear-actuator-85615-85616/ Europa then sourced its actuators from the German "Baumeister" company: http://www.baumeister-balingen.de/english.htm The model you need is the 120se - datasheet attached. The earlier Motion Systems actuators were much faster in operation - which could be a benefit in getting the flaps deployed quickly, though there were isolated reports of the carbon brush assemblies failing. Hope this helps. Nigel On 08/08/2016 00:22, Tony Renshaw wrote: > I am wondering if anyone knows the manufacturer and model number > please of the Europa supplied Linear Actuator? I have one but need to > verify it can cope with the load of deploying the flaps up to maximum > flap extension speed, and to that end, if I supply the area, does > anyone have the smarts to be able to work out what the aerodynamic > loads might be in lbs so I can assess whether what I have is suitable? > Any help or guidance much appreciated. > Regards > Tony Renshaw > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trip report Versailles St Cyr L ecole From: Richard Iddon Thanks for the tip Graeme. Was our anniversary this weekend so I followed your lead & took the missus to Sy Cyr LEcole and we had a weekend visiting Versailles & Paris. Lovely trip. Downwind right towards the Palace and base leg over the lakes & gardens for runway 29. Stayed at the Hotel right by the airport which was cheap & cheerful but a long way from anywhere without wheels. Spent lots on taxis. Would stay in Versailles if we did it again which would be more convenient for the Palace, for train into the centre of Paris and lots of eating places to choose from. Richard Iddon. G-RIXS > On 30 Jul 2016, at 22:59, graeme bird wrote: > > > See link with PICs if interested. Ive been wanting to get there for ages. The BBC series just tipped me over to visit the Palace of the Sun King. > > http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=101065 > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:50 PM PST US From: Richard Iddon Subject: Europa-List: Ipad kneeboard solution? I fly with an Ipad mini. I have tried a couple of kneeboard mounts but neither have been wholly satisfactory. I have the type that opens like a book with the Ipad in the middle but find that the flap either fouls the joystick or I have to jam it down the right hand side of my knee. Also I like to have a place to write down clearances etc. I know that with Sky Demon there is the scratchpad but that means abandoning the map for a while which is again not ideal. If I have a paper on the top of the flap, then I have to manoeuvre the flap back to the top to write on it, again covering the Ipad screen. Has anyone found a solution without a flap which keeps the Ipad on display at all times and has a place to write and store a pen? I know I could make a board myself but I would rather not reinvent the wheel if there is a ready made solution. Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:04 PM PST US From: Richard Iddon Subject: Europa-List: Travel insurance Question no 2. I am based in the UK and am looking for an annual travel insurance which will cover me for flying trips and also sailing & cycling. I need something which will cover me for trips away for up to at least 60 days. Any recommendations? Richard Iddon G- RIXS ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:12 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground From: "Roland" A little "progress" report: I closed and sealed the gap between the upper edge of the air inlet and the top of the cooling tunnel and made two 2-hours flights (one low at 2500 ft and the other one high at FL 110). It was - of no avail. Actually I achieved the opposite, namely CHTs of 100C in the cruise instead of 95C (decreasing veeery reluctant in the descent) and also higher oil temperatures, reaching almost 130C in the climb at MTOM 90 KIAS. I was at the Fly in at Wyk/Fhr EDXY and met two other Europa owners, of which one had a Trigear. I thoroughly inspected his cowling and cooling tunnel, which was a whole lot different to mine. He had a separate opening in the lower cowling under the radiator for the oil cooler and three additional openings with gills (similar style as the ones on the sides of the upper cowling) on top of the cowling just in front of the windscreen. If we meet again I'll make a ground run with his upper cowling that is easily exchangeable. Every Europa is different indeed - and I'll go on experimenting - maybe I should make the inspection doors on the upper cowling controllable from inside the cockpit for ground operations (a lot of hot air exits them after shut down, when I open them) - I guess I would be the first with that one :-) Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459343#459343 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:28 PM PST US From: Alasdair Milne Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ipad kneeboard solution? 2 kneeboards & take the flap off to provide a paper scratchpad Sent from my iPhone > On 8 Aug 2016, at 20:43, Richard Iddon wrote: > > > I fly with an Ipad mini. I have tried a couple of kneeboard mounts but neither have been wholly satisfactory. I have the type that opens like a book with the Ipad in the middle but find that the flap either fouls the joystick or I have to jam it down the right hand side of my knee. Also I like to have a place to write down clearances etc. I know that with Sky Demon there is the scratchpad but that means abandoning the map for a while which is again not ideal. If I have a paper on the top of the flap, then I have to manoeuvre the flap back to the top to write on it, again covering the Ipad screen. Has anyone found a solution without a flap which keeps the Ipad on display at all times and has a place to write and store a pen? I know I could make a board myself but I would rather not reinvent the wheel if there is a ready made solution. > > Richard Iddon > > G-RIXS > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ipad kneeboard solution? From: Richard Iddon Is that one on each knee Alasdair? > On 8 Aug 2016, at 20:53, Alasdair Milne wrote: > > > 2 kneeboards & take the flap off to provide a paper scratchpad > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 8 Aug 2016, at 20:43, Richard Iddon wrote: >> >> >> I fly with an Ipad mini. I have tried a couple of kneeboard mounts but neither have been wholly satisfactory. I have the type that opens like a book with the Ipad in the middle but find that the flap either fouls the joystick or I have to jam it down the right hand side of my knee. Also I like to have a place to write down clearances etc. I know that with Sky Demon there is the scratchpad but that means abandoning the map for a while which is again not ideal. If I have a paper on the top of the flap, then I have to manoeuvre the flap back to the top to write on it, again covering the Ipad screen. Has anyone found a solution without a flap which keeps the Ipad on display at all times and has a place to write and store a pen? I know I could make a board myself but I would rather not reinvent the wheel if there is a ready made solution. >> >> Richard Iddon >> >> G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:23 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground Roland, Send me pictures of your cowl and install when you can. Normally when folks have problems they have missed something obvious to me but not to them and I fail to mention it. Again, I fly with a stock set of parts by the book, in a hotter environment and overcool normally with the 914 with no intercooler. We are missing something that works for me and my clients but not for you. We do not want that to happen. Check your exhaust for leaks. If #3 is leaking a small amount the CHT is off the charts on the ground and is blown away inflight unless it is a narrow jet that impacts a 912 carb float bowl which makes things really exciting. Best Regards, Bud Yerly US Europa Dealer. -----Original Message----- From: Roland Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 3:53 PM Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground A little "progress" report: I closed and sealed the gap between the upper edge of the air inlet and the top of the cooling tunnel and made two 2-hours flights (one low at 2500 ft and the other one high at FL 110). It was - of no avail. Actually I achieved the opposite, namely CHTs of 100C in the cruise instead of 95C (decreasing veeery reluctant in the descent) and also higher oil temperatures, reaching almost 130C in the climb at MTOM 90 KIAS. I was at the Fly in at Wyk/Fhr EDXY and met two other Europa owners, of which one had a Trigear. I thoroughly inspected his cowling and cooling tunnel, which was a whole lot different to mine. He had a separate opening in the lower cowling under the radiator for the oil cooler and three additional openings with gills (similar style as the ones on the sides of the upper cowling) on top of the cowling just in front of the windscreen. If we meet again I'll make a ground run with his upper cowling that is easily exchangeable. Every Europa is different indeed - and I'll go on experimenting - maybe I should make the inspection doors on the upper cowling controllable from inside the cockpit for ground operations (a lot of hot air exits them after shut down, when I open them) - I guess I would be the first with that one :-) Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459343#459343 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:45 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Electric Flaps Actuator name/model and Aerodynamic loads. From: "Kelvin Weston" Hi Tony Having trouble attaching a picture. But if you do a search for 'Flap motor current drain' I have posted a picture of the label before. -------- Regards Kelv Weston Kit 497 kelv@kdweston.biz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459355#459355 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:33 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Electric Flaps Actuator name/model and Aerodynamic loads. From: "Kelvin Weston" Hi Tony Here is a link: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=16761647&highlight -------- Regards Kelv Weston Kit 497 kelv@kdweston.biz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459356#459356 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:35 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Ipad kneeboard solution? From: "Kelvin Weston" Hi Richard I use an iPad Mini and have found this kneepad useful: https://www.flightstore.co.uk/pilot-supplies-c1/ipad-kneeboards-c31/ipad-mini-kneeboards-c594/design-4-pilots-ipad-mini-1-3-kneeboard-p3779 It opens book style but with the spine on the right so the flap opens away from the control column (if you are right handed and have it on your right knee). You do have to cover the iPad map momentarily (close the book) to write down clearances etc. but this has never been a problem. -------- Regards Kelv Weston Kit 497 kelv@kdweston.biz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459358#459358 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:25 PM PST US From: Tim Ward Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Ipad kneeboard solution? Richard, This is what I have. Hope photos come through otherwise will send direct to y ou. Cheers, TIM Sent from my iPhone > On 9/08/2016, at 9:27 AM, Kelvin Weston wrote: > > > Hi Richard > > I use an iPad Mini and have found this kneepad useful: > > https://www.flightstore.co.uk/pilot-supplies-c1/ipad-kneeboards-c31/ipad-m ini-kneeboards-c594/design-4-pilots-ipad-mini-1-3-kneeboard-p3779 > > It opens book style but with the spine on the right so the flap opens away from the control column (if you are right handed and have it on your right k nee). > > You do have to cover the iPad map momentarily (close the book) to write do wn clearances etc. but this has never been a problem. > > -------- > Regards > > Kelv Weston > Kit 497 > kelv@kdweston.biz > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459358#459358 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:01 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/07/16 Appendix to Last: I've been asked why not just ask Europa what loads they calculated, but I believe that is unfair since I am attempting to use another product. I don't want to steal anyone's time, just wondered if someone knew what product and model they were using, so I can go away and look up the specs. I also know pilots with other skillets especially those that involve their intellect, and a calculator, often like to home both with a challenging question, hence the issue of loads on the flaps at max extension speed. Cheers. Like I said though, I don't want to put anyone out too much, or steal their time. > On 8 Aug 2016, at 00:03, Europa-List Digest Server wrote: > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Europa-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. 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(Tony Renshaw) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:23:12 PM PST US > From: Tony Renshaw > Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flaps Actuator name/model and Aerodynamic loads. > > I am wondering if anyone knows the manufacturer and model number please of > the Europa supplied Linear Actuator? I have one but need to verify it can > cope with the load of deploying the flaps up to maximum flap extension > speed, and to that end, if I supply the area, does anyone have the smarts > to be able to work out what the aerodynamic loads might be in lbs so I can > assess whether what I have is suitable? Any help or guidance much > appreciated. > Regards > Tony Renshaw > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.