---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/10/16: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:36 AM - Scout Flying, Defford 10 September (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 2. 06:16 AM - Re: Scout Flying, Defford 10 September (Alan Twigg) 3. 08:59 AM - Re: Scout Flying, Defford 10 September (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 4. 10:48 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground (Bud Yerly) 5. 12:43 PM - Fw: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground (Roland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:26 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Europa-List: Scout Flying, Defford 10 September Dear UK Europa Pilots, We are looking for volunteers to fly scouts at our annual scouts camp at Defford on Sat 10th September (weather alternate 11/9). Details on attachment. This has proved a very rewarding experience for the many Europa Pilots who have helped in the past. Free lunch thrown in! Contact me if interested, Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ, email or 01454 260542 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:48 AM PST US From: Alan Twigg Subject: Re: Europa-List: Scout Flying, Defford 10 September I will be there with my Robin DR400 D-EDQR. Alan Twigg Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Aug 2016, at 09:34, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > > Dear UK Europa Pilots, > > We are looking for volunteers to fly scouts at our annual sco uts camp at Defford on Sat 10th September (weather alternate 11/9). Details o n attachment. This has proved a very rewarding experience for the many Europ a Pilots who have helped in the past. Free lunch thrown in! Contact me if i nterested, > > Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ, email or 01454 260542 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:13 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Scout Flying, Defford 10 September Alan, great many thanks. Briefing herewith. David On 2016-08-10 14:15, Alan Twigg wrote: > I will be there with my Robin DR400 D-EDQR. > Alan Twigg > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 10 Aug 2016, at 09:34, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > >> Dear UK Europa Pilots, >> >> We are looking for volunteers to fly scouts at our annual scouts camp at Defford on Sat 10th September (weather alternate 11/9). Details on attachment. This has proved a very rewarding experience for the many Europa Pilots who have helped in the past. Free lunch thrown in! Contact me if interested, >> >> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ, email or 01454 260542 > >> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:31 AM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground OK Roland, I am confounded by your ground cooling issues. I was checking out an Instructor pilot for N12AY at 95F and he took a full 20 minutes with a tail wind doing ground checks then taxied for another 5 then ran up and we did in fact hit 245F on the ground. On takeoff it stayed at 245 and we leveled at 1000 AGL after takeoff for 2 minutes and temps dropped below 240 then we climbed to 5000 AGL never hitting 245 again. On a stock setup, you should see the same. Some find Drop box works very well for photos rather than albums but photos are a pain no matter what we do. I love how instant communications burns up so much of my day. Regards, Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: Roland Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 3:35 AM Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground Bud, thanks for your offer. I already tried to attach photos but will try again later. I removed the mentioned sealing again, since it obviously made the situation worse. Again, in flight the setup worked perfect under all conditions-I even didn't came close to CHT-limits when climbing FL200 in summer without a level off. CHT reading should also be correct since I once shut down at 118C and could hear the coolant boiling a little bit. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459374#459374 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:18 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Re: Cooling issues XS 914 on the ground From: "Roland" Bud, that is really amazing. How can it be, that you can make 25 minutes of ground operations at 95F in a tailwind with a standard setup? OTOH my CHT also drops immediately several C when changing from climb into a cruise setting. But when I landed after a 2 hrs cruise flight last weekend and reached the parking position in a brisk tailwind the CHT rose literally one C every second. Overheating with the XS cowling is quite common, even in middle Europe. David Joyce or Frans Veldmann or the Scandinavian Europa owner I met last weekend can tell a story. Because of that issues many many Europa owners made their own - sometimes radical - modifications and because of that Neville Eyre designed a better cowling with a lower air inlet. When I walked along the parked Rotax-powered aircraft at the fly in last weekend, there wasn't even one of them with a cooling duct similar to the Europa..... Today I sealed a gap of 1 mm between the tunnel and the radiator. I also managed to increase the gap between the tunnel edge and the firewall (which is completely in front of the gear frame). As I said, I removed the sealing between the upper tunnel edge and the cowling again because it increased CHT. Removing the thermostat is still on my to do list. I'm afraid no pictures at the moment, although the size is within the allowed limits. Regards Roland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=459441#459441 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.