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1. 06:34 AM - What the..... Trim Tab built upside down - Seriously !! (tonyvaccarella)
2. 06:55 AM - Re: What the..... Trim Tab built upside down - Seriously !! (Robert Borger)
3. 07:19 AM - Re: What the..... Trim Tab built upside down - Seriously !! (spcialeffects)
4. 07:34 AM - Re: What the..... Trim Tab built upside down - Seriously !! (tonyvaccarella)
5. 07:55 AM - Re: What the..... Trim Tab built upside down - Seriously !! (Rowland Carson)
6. 12:04 PM - Re: Sight gauge (crouton)
7. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: Sight gauge (Martin Tuck)
8. 02:58 PM - Re: Altimeter App Update (rampil)
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| Subject: | What the..... Trim Tab built upside down - Seriously !! |
In completing my MOD70 (Mass Balance arm replacement) I ran the checks that were
called for in the MOD instructions. It calls for about 12 - 13 deg UP as measured
from the tailplane trailing edge and 4 deg DOWN.
The build manual is more specific when it comes to this part of the construction.
It partly says...
The tailplane trailing edge needs to rotate upwards 12 deg and downwards 4 deg
to cover the full range.
You will notice (I hope) that as the trailing edge of the tailplane is raised the
trailing edge of the tab
raises even further, the ratio being approximately 1.3 to 1. Therefore, when you
have raised the
trailing edge of the tailplane by 12, the tab should have raised 15.6 relative
to the tailplane or 27.6
from the zero start position.
A maximum total movement of 18 and a minimum of 14.4 relative to the tailplane
is acceptable.
Similarly, moving the tailplane trailing edge down 4 deg from the zero reference
point the tab should
move down 5.2 relative to the tailplane, or 9.2 relative to the zero reference
position.
Well my aircraft behaves NOTHING like this. The previous owner (God bless him)
decided to build the Trim Tabs inverted. That is to say that the hinges for the
trim tabs are located at the BOTTOM of the tailplane, the actuator pins for
the trim tabs are located ON TOP of the tailplane, and the pip-pin access recess
is located at the BOTTOM of the tailplane.
.
The result of all this is that I only get about 5 deg up and 3 deg down but you
have not heard the worst.....in this configuration when the stabiliser trailing
edge is moved UP the trim tab goes DOWN and vice versa.
Can you now see why Im at my wits end? This what I inherited from a partially built
project.... :-(
Besides running a bulldozer through the Europa, any ideas on what I should do?
Regards,
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: What the..... Trim Tab built upside down - Seriously |
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Tony,
That is strange!
Have you tried reversing the stabs. Put the port on starboard and
vice-versa. That would require inverting the stabs putting them with
the trim tabs & actuators on the underside and the pip-pin on the top.
See if they fit that way and the pins can be properly inserted. If they
fit properly and you can insert the pip-pins, you have a good start to
correcting the issue. Perhaps the stab and trim travel would even be
correct.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
> On Oct 5, 2016, at 8:33 AM, tonyvaccarella <tony@weimagine.com.au>
wrote:
>
<tony@weimagine.com.au>
>
> In completing my MOD70 (Mass Balance arm replacement) I ran the checks
that were called for in the MOD instructions. It calls for about 12 - 13
deg UP as measured from the tailplane trailing edge and 4 deg DOWN.
>
> The build manual is more specific when it comes to this part of the
construction. It partly says...
>
>
> The tailplane trailing edge needs to rotate upwards 12 deg and
downwards 4 deg to cover the full range.
> You will notice (I hope) that as the trailing edge of the tailplane is
raised the trailing edge of the tab
> raises even further, the ratio being approximately 1.3 to 1.
Therefore, when you have raised the
> trailing edge of the tailplane by 12=C2=B0, the tab should have raised
15.6=C2=B0 relative to the tailplane or 27.6=C2=B0
> from the zero start position.
> A maximum total movement of 18=C2=B0 and a minimum of 14.4=C2=B0
relative to the tailplane is acceptable.
>
> Similarly, moving the tailplane trailing edge down 4 deg from the zero
reference point the tab should
> move down 5.2=C2=B0 relative to the tailplane, or 9.2=C2=B0 relative
to the zero reference position.
>
>
> Well my aircraft behaves NOTHING like this. The previous owner (God
bless him) decided to build the Trim Tabs inverted. That is to say that
the hinges for the trim tabs are located at the BOTTOM of the tailplane,
the actuator pins for the trim tabs are located ON TOP of the tailplane,
and the pip-pin access recess is located at the BOTTOM of the tailplane.
> .
> The result of all this is that I only get about 5 deg up and 3 deg
down but you have not heard the worst.....in this configuration when the
stabiliser trailing edge is moved UP the trim tab goes DOWN and vice
versa.
>
> Can you now see why Im at my wits end? This what I inherited from a
partially built project.... :-(
>
> Besides running a bulldozer through the Europa, any ideas on what I
should do?
>
> Regards,
> Tony
>
> --------
> Tony Vaccarella
> Mascot NSW 2020
> Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Re: What the..... Trim Tab built upside down - Seriously |
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>From this photo that you have posted the tail plane and trim tab look upside down.
The metal pin that goes into the "T" piece should be at the bottom and not
on show like that from above.
Regards Frank kit#165
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| Subject: | Re: What the..... Trim Tab built upside down - Seriously |
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Thanks Frank
I realised that was one of the issues earlier today.
Can't believe they did this and thought it was OK.
Thanks for your reply.
Tony.
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Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Re: What the..... Trim Tab built upside down - Seriously |
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On 2016-10-05, at 14:33, tonyvaccarella <tony@weimagine.com.au> wrote:
> The previous owner (God bless him) decided to build the Trim Tabs inverted. That
is to say that the hinges for the trim tabs are located at the BOTTOM of the
tailplane, the actuator pins for the trim tabs are located ON TOP of the tailplane,
and the pip-pin access recess is located at the BOTTOM of the tailplane.
> .
> The result of all this is that I only get about 5 deg up and 3 deg down but you
have not heard the worst.....in this configuration when the stabiliser trailing
edge is moved UP the trim tab goes DOWN and vice versa.
Tony - is it possible that you have put the port tailplane on the starboard side
and vice-versa? Reversing their positions thwartwise would appear to cause all
the sorts of problems you mention.
in friendship
Rowland
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I have found the sight gauge to be almost completely unreliable in my classic monowheel.
The only way I can know the fuel state is to slowly fill to the top
of the filler and set the totalizer to 18 gallons.
I consult the sight gauge periodically during the flight, chiefly for entertainment
value and to ensure there is indeed some fuel remaining. Often, an hour
or two into the flight, the gauge will suddenly show a quantity in agreement with
the totalizer.
Yes, I know of the vent problems of the monos, but even with purging them on the
ground they seem to have more air bubbles introduced during taxi and climbout.
The diagonal stripes do work a treat, however.
Creighton 96EG
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> 1. 11:46 AM - Re: Fuel sight ball (John Wigney)
> 2. 12:27 PM - Re: Cooling issues on the ground XS 914UL (HB-YNK)
> 3. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Fuel sight ball (houlihan tim)
> 4. 04:11 PM - Re: Fuel sight ball (AirEupora)
> 5. 04:13 PM - Re: Fuel sight ball (AirEupora)
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> Time: 11:46:11 AM PST US
> From: John Wigney <johnwigney@windstream.net>
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel sight ball
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> Might I suggest another solution. The standard sight gauges for the
> water level in boilers use a background with angled black and white
> stripes. Due to refraction, where there is liquid the stripes are
> reversed which makes it very easy to see the level.
>
> I poked around on Google Images and found one example on a steam
> locomotive. Simple, effective, cheap and it will work with gasoline. See
> below.
>
>
> Cheers, John
> N262WF, XS mono, 912S
> Mooresville, North Carolina
>
>
> ORIGINAL MESSAGE
>
> From: Martin Tuck<MJKTuck@cs.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Fuel sight ball
>
>
> Does anyone know where I can find a red float ball I can install in the sight
gauge
> fuel line?
>
> Regards,
> Martin Tuck
> Europa N152MT
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:27:37 PM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cooling issues on the ground XS 914UL
> From: "HB-YNK" <marcel.bo@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Thank you very much for your help.
> I'll start to close all gaps around the radiators and then check out the improvement,
> before doing some more improvements.
> Probably I'll come later back to you, especially to Gilles, Jim & Heather for
some
> detail questions.
>
> Thanks again for the great support!
>
> Wish you all the best.
>
> Greetings from Switzerland
> Marcel
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460940#460940
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:42:04 PM PST US
> From: houlihan tim <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel sight ball
>
>
> Hi John, Martin.
>
> This idea can be found on page 3-4 of the build manual.
>
> No need to reinvent it
>
> Tim
>
>> On 04 October 2016 at 19:44 John Wigney <johnwigney@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> Might I suggest another solution. The standard sight gauges for the water
>> level in boilers use a background with angled black and white stripes. Due to
>> refraction, where there is liquid the stripes are reversed which makes it very
>> easy to see the level.
>>
>> I poked around on Google Images and found one example on a steam
>> locomotive. Simple, effective, cheap and it will work with gasoline. See
>> below.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, John
>> N262WF, XS mono, 912S
>> Mooresville, North Carolina
>>
>>
>> ORIGINAL MESSAGE
>>
>>
>> From: Martin Tuck <MJKTuck@cs.com> mailto:MJKTuck@cs.com
>> Subject: Europa-List: Fuel sight ball
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know where I can find a red float ball I can install in the
>> sight gauge
>> fuel line?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Martin Tuck
>> Europa N152MT
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 04:11:23 PM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel sight ball
> From: "AirEupora" <AirEupora@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
> I just ordered one from Univair Aircraft Corporation.
>
> Univair.com
>
> U10853-000 Piper Fuel Gauge Float Ball $5.48USD
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460945#460945
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> Time: 04:13:53 PM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel sight ball
> From: "AirEupora" <AirEupora@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
> http://www.univair.com/piper/piper-pa-11/view-all/u10853-000-piper-fuel-gauge-float-ball/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460946#460946
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I don't run the sight gauge down near the foot wells, instead I run it up the center
tunnel on up on the passenger seat side into the passenger headrest to the
vent.
Martin
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 5, 2016, at 2:04 PM, crouton <crouton@well.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have found the sight gauge to be almost completely unreliable in my classic
monowheel. The only way I can know the fuel state is to slowly fill to the top
of the filler and set the totalizer to 18 gallons.
> I consult the sight gauge periodically during the flight, chiefly for entertainment
value and to ensure there is indeed some fuel remaining. Often, an hour
or two into the flight, the gauge will suddenly show a quantity in agreement
with the totalizer.
> Yes, I know of the vent problems of the monos, but even with purging them on
the ground they seem to have more air bubbles introduced during taxi and climbout.
> The diagonal stripes do work a treat, however.
> Creighton 96EG
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 5, 2016, at 3:03 AM, Europa-List Digest Server <europa-list@matronics.com>
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>> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
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>> Today's Message Index:
>> ----------------------
>>
>> 1. 11:46 AM - Re: Fuel sight ball (John Wigney)
>> 2. 12:27 PM - Re: Cooling issues on the ground XS 914UL (HB-YNK)
>> 3. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Fuel sight ball (houlihan tim)
>> 4. 04:11 PM - Re: Fuel sight ball (AirEupora)
>> 5. 04:13 PM - Re: Fuel sight ball (AirEupora)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 11:46:11 AM PST US
>> From: John Wigney <johnwigney@windstream.net>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel sight ball
>>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> Might I suggest another solution. The standard sight gauges for the
>> water level in boilers use a background with angled black and white
>> stripes. Due to refraction, where there is liquid the stripes are
>> reversed which makes it very easy to see the level.
>>
>> I poked around on Google Images and found one example on a steam
>> locomotive. Simple, effective, cheap and it will work with gasoline. See
>> below.
>>
>>
>> Cheers, John
>> N262WF, XS mono, 912S
>> Mooresville, North Carolina
>>
>>
>> ORIGINAL MESSAGE
>>
>> From: Martin Tuck<MJKTuck@cs.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Fuel sight ball
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know where I can find a red float ball I can install in the sight
gauge
>> fuel line?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Martin Tuck
>> Europa N152MT
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 12:27:37 PM PST US
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cooling issues on the ground XS 914UL
>> From: "HB-YNK" <marcel.bo@hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thank you very much for your help.
>> I'll start to close all gaps around the radiators and then check out the improvement,
>> before doing some more improvements.
>> Probably I'll come later back to you, especially to Gilles, Jim & Heather for
some
>> detail questions.
>>
>> Thanks again for the great support!
>>
>> Wish you all the best.
>>
>> Greetings from Switzerland
>> Marcel
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460940#460940
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 12:42:04 PM PST US
>> From: houlihan tim <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel sight ball
>>
>>
>> Hi John, Martin.
>>
>> This idea can be found on page 3-4 of the build manual.
>>
>> No need to reinvent it
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>> On 04 October 2016 at 19:44 John Wigney <johnwigney@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Martin,
>>>
>>> Might I suggest another solution. The standard sight gauges for the water
>>> level in boilers use a background with angled black and white stripes. Due
to
>>> refraction, where there is liquid the stripes are reversed which makes it very
>>> easy to see the level.
>>>
>>> I poked around on Google Images and found one example on a steam
>>> locomotive. Simple, effective, cheap and it will work with gasoline. See
>>> below.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>> N262WF, XS mono, 912S
>>> Mooresville, North Carolina
>>>
>>>
>>> ORIGINAL MESSAGE
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Martin Tuck <MJKTuck@cs.com> mailto:MJKTuck@cs.com
>>> Subject: Europa-List: Fuel sight ball
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can find a red float ball I can install in the
>>> sight gauge
>>> fuel line?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Martin Tuck
>>> Europa N152MT
>>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 04:11:23 PM PST US
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel sight ball
>> From: "AirEupora" <AirEupora@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>>
>> I just ordered one from Univair Aircraft Corporation.
>>
>> Univair.com
>>
>> U10853-000 Piper Fuel Gauge Float Ball $5.48USD
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460945#460945
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 04:13:53 PM PST US
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel sight ball
>> From: "AirEupora" <AirEupora@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>>
>> http://www.univair.com/piper/piper-pa-11/view-all/u10853-000-piper-fuel-gauge-float-ball/
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460946#460946
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The new beta release of iOS 10.1 fixes the barometer issue on iPads.
I have yet to be advised about release dates, but it should be soon.
Thanks for your patience!
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Ira N224XS
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