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0. 12:47 PM - A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... (Matt Dralle)
1. 07:06 AM - Airmaster or Woodcomp? (jglazener)
2. 07:26 AM - Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? (Ken Carpenter)
3. 07:50 AM - Re: Airmaster or =?UTF-8?Q?Woodcomp=3F? (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
4. 07:51 AM - Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? (Robert Borger)
5. 08:38 AM - Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? (Neville Eyre)
6. 09:01 AM - Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? (graeme bird)
7. 10:14 AM - Re: Airmaster or =?UTF-8?Q?Woodcomp=3F? (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
8. 10:39 AM - Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? (david park)
9. 11:36 AM - Re: Airmaster or =?UTF-8?Q?Woodcomp=3F? (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
10. 11:45 AM - Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? (spcialeffects)
11. 12:59 PM - Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? (Roland)
12. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? (houlihan tim)
13. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Airmaster or =?UTF-8?Q?Woodcomp=3F? (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
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Subject: | Airmaster or Woodcomp? |
I am rapidly getting to the point where I need to select my propeller to go with
a 912ULS engine. Having already decided on an in flight adjustable, the choice
seems to come down to the following:
Airmaster AP332 with Whirlwind blades and AC200 CS controller. Eur ~6000
Woodcomp SR3000 with CS5 CS controller. Eur 4000
Woodcomp SR3000 with manual controller. Eur 3500
Based on the price I can surmise thet the Airmaster is better, but is it twice
as good, and more importantly, is the Woodcomp maybe good enough?
Then there is the choice between CS and manual which the Woodcomp offers. Manual
is cheaper and as a first timer I want to keep things simple, so that has some
appeal. The importer also kindly mentioned that he does not have good experiences
with the CS setup, which is either refreshingly homest or an indication
of a dud product.
So which is it to be? Your opinions and experiences would be highly appreciated!
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Jeroen
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? |
Happy with Airmaster with Warp Drive blades. Have 660 hours. It is computer controlled
with manual override and works well requiring no close attention...that
is it is not a complication,just set cruise or climb or takeoff. I damaged
a prop blade and was able to get replacement promptly.
Sent from my iPad
Ken Carpenter
> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:04 AM, jglazener <j.glazener@planet.nl> wrote:
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> I am rapidly getting to the point where I need to select my propeller to go with
a 912ULS engine. Having already decided on an in flight adjustable, the choice
seems to come down to the following:
>
> Airmaster AP332 with Whirlwind blades and AC200 CS controller. Eur ~6000
>
> Woodcomp SR3000 with CS5 CS controller. Eur 4000
>
> Woodcomp SR3000 with manual controller. Eur 3500
>
> Based on the price I can surmise thet the Airmaster is better, but is it twice
as good, and more importantly, is the Woodcomp maybe good enough?
>
> Then there is the choice between CS and manual which the Woodcomp offers. Manual
is cheaper and as a first timer I want to keep things simple, so that has
some appeal. The importer also kindly mentioned that he does not have good experiences
with the CS setup, which is either refreshingly homest or an indication
of a dud product.
>
> So which is it to be? Your opinions and experiences would be highly appreciated!
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster or =?UTF-8?Q?Woodcomp=3F? |
Jeroen, I do not know of anyone who has done a direct comparison between
the Airmaster and the Woodcomp prop in controlled circumstances,
although I first became interested in the Woodcomp when at the Europa
Fly out to Prague in 2000, two XS 914s took off at the same time. Tom
Justic with a Woodcomp prop dramatically out-climbed the Europa company
one with an Airmaster - which caught my attention at the time and was
instrumental in persuading me to go through the significant hassle of
being the first to import one into the UK LAA fleet.
I have since come to believe that both are excellent propellers. The
latest SR3000 has a totally redesigned hub mechanism which is
beautifully robust, and the High twist 'W' blades are particularly
efficient. (with my SR300-3W/914/XS/mono I can exceed Vne TAS on the
level at 6000ft upwards). I do not think you would go wrong with either
propeller, but I would certainly think that the Airmaster is not worth
an extra E2000. What I would say is worth it is to have a constant speed
controller. The manual might be very false economy. In a slippery plane
like a Europa it is very easy to increase speed and RPM, especially if
you are in some conflict situation where you are distracted.
Overspeeding the engine is not a good thing. In fact a constant speed
unit does above all keep things simple - you simply select take off,
climb or cruise settings by press of a button, and the controller does
the rest, whereas the manual controller needs more thought and pilot
input to get things right.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On 2016-11-09 15:04, jglazener wrote:
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> I am rapidly getting to the point where I need to select my propeller to go with
a 912ULS engine. Having already decided on an in flight adjustable, the choice
seems to come down to the following:
>
> Airmaster AP332 with Whirlwind blades and AC200 CS controller. Eur ~6000
>
> Woodcomp SR3000 with CS5 CS controller. Eur 4000
>
> Woodcomp SR3000 with manual controller. Eur 3500
>
> Based on the price I can surmise thet the Airmaster is better, but is it twice
as good, and more importantly, is the Woodcomp maybe good enough?
>
> Then there is the choice between CS and manual which the Woodcomp offers. Manual
is cheaper and as a first timer I want to keep things simple, so that has
some appeal. The importer also kindly mentioned that he does not have good experiences
with the CS setup, which is either refreshingly homest or an indication
of a dud product.
>
> So which is it to be? Your opinions and experiences would be highly appreciated!
>
> --------
> Jeroen
>
> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 [1]
>
> Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? |
Jeroen,
I am very happy with my Airmaster prop and controller with the Warp
Drive blades. Set it for the mode of flight (takeoff, climb or cruise)
and it works. I have damaged the blades and the response by Airmaster
has been excellent. I can highly recommend them.
No experience with Woodcomp so I can=99t comment on them.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com <mailto:rlborger@mac.com>
On Nov 9, 2016, at 9:04 AM, jglazener <j.glazener@planet.nl> wrote:
I am rapidly getting to the point where I need to select my propeller to
go with a 912ULS engine. Having already decided on an in flight
adjustable, the choice seems to come down to the following:
Airmaster AP332 with Whirlwind blades and AC200 CS controller. Eur ~6000
Woodcomp SR3000 with CS5 CS controller. Eur 4000
Woodcomp SR3000 with manual controller. Eur 3500
Based on the price I can surmise thet the Airmaster is better, but is it
twice as good, and more importantly, is the Woodcomp maybe good enough?
Then there is the choice between CS and manual which the Woodcomp
offers. Manual is cheaper and as a first timer I want to keep things
simple, so that has some appeal. The importer also kindly mentioned that
he does not have good experiences with the CS setup, which is either
refreshingly homest or an indication of a dud product.
So which is it to be? Your opinions and experiences would be highly
appreciated!
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Jeroen
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? |
Having fitted dozens of Airmaster's, and just recently fitted a Woodcomp there
is no comparison, Airmaster is more than twice as good [ mechanically]
-----Original Message-----
From: jglazener <j.glazener@planet.nl>
Sent: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 15:35
Subject: Europa-List: Airmaster or Woodcomp?
I am rapidly getting to the point where I need to select my propeller to go with
a 912ULS engine. Having already decided on an in flight adjustable, the choice
seems to come down to the following:
Airmaster AP332 with Whirlwind blades and AC200 CS controller. Eur ~6000
Woodcomp SR3000 with CS5 CS controller. Eur 4000
Woodcomp SR3000 with manual controller. Eur 3500
Based on the price I can surmise thet the Airmaster is better, but is it twice
as good, and more importantly, is the Woodcomp maybe good enough?
Then there is the choice between CS and manual which the Woodcomp offers. Manual
is cheaper and as a first timer I want to keep things simple, so that has some
appeal. The importer also kindly mentioned that he does not have good experiences
with the CS setup, which is either refreshingly homest or an indication
of a dud product.
So which is it to be? Your opinions and experiences would be highly appreciated!
--------
Jeroen
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462236#462236
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? |
Very pleased with my Woodcomp 3000/w and smart controller. I would just say that
if you ding a blade you have to replace the lot. Ok if it's insurance.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis
ap, pflarm, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP 5, Aera500 & SD on Nexus,
250 hours & 4 years on the Mono, 880 total
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster or =?UTF-8?Q?Woodcomp=3F? |
Nev, I guess that is not the new (this summer) design of SR3000, which
has done away with cogs and is an impressive bit of kit. Regards, David
On 2016-11-09 16:30, Neville Eyre wrote:
> Having fitted dozens of Airmaster's, and just recently fitted a Woodcomp there
is no comparison, Airmaster is more than twice as good [ mechanically]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jglazener <j.glazener@planet.nl>
> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 15:35
> Subject: Europa-List: Airmaster or Woodcomp?
>
>
> I am rapidly getting to the point where I need to select my propeller to go with
a 912ULS engine. Having already decided on an in flight adjustable, the choice
seems to come down to the following:
>
> Airmaster AP332 with Whirlwind blades and AC200 CS controller. Eur ~6000
>
> Woodcomp SR3000 with CS5 CS controller. Eur 4000
>
> Woodcomp SR3000 with manual controller. Eur 3500
>
> Based on the price I can surmise thet the Airmaster is better, but is it twice
as good, and more importantly, is the Woodcomp maybe good enough?
>
> Then there is the choice between CS and manual which the Woodcomp offers. Manual
is cheaper and as a first timer I want to keep things simple, so that has
some appeal. The importer also kindly mentioned that he does not have good experiences
with the CS setup, which is either refreshingly homest or an indication
of a dud product.
>
> So which is it to be? Your opinions and experiences would be highly appreciated!
>
> --------
> Jeroen
>
> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 [1]
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462236#462236 [2]
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? |
David
Your email corrupt??
Dave
Dave Park
> On 9 Nov 2016, at 18:13, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster or =?UTF-8?Q?Woodcomp=3F? |
Nev, I guess you are talking about the original SR3000 which had lots of
cogs in it, not the new, completely different (as of this summer)
design, which looks cogless and very impressive
Nev, I guess you are talking about the original SR3000 design, which had
lots of cogs in it, not the totally redesigned one(as from this summer)
which has no cogs and looks very impressive.
Regards, David Joyce
PS. Sorry my previous attempt at tjis came out as garbage!
On 2016-11-09 16:30, Neville Eyre wrote:
> Having fitted dozens of Airmaster's, and just recently fitted a Woodcomp there
is no comparison, Airmaster is more than twice as good [ mechanically]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jglazener <j.glazener@planet.nl>
> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 15:35
> Subject: Europa-List: Airmaster or Woodcomp?
>
>
> I am rapidly getting to the point where I need to select my propeller to go with
a 912ULS engine. Having already decided on an in flight adjustable, the choice
seems to come down to the following:
>
> Airmaster AP332 with Whirlwind blades and AC200 CS controller. Eur ~6000
>
> Woodcomp SR3000 with CS5 CS controller. Eur 4000
>
> Woodcomp SR3000 with manual controller. Eur 3500
>
> Based on the price I can surmise thet the Airmaster is better, but is it twice
as good, and more importantly, is the Woodcomp maybe good enough?
>
> Then there is the choice between CS and manual which the Woodcomp offers. Manual
is cheaper and as a first timer I want to keep things simple, so that has
some appeal. The importer also kindly mentioned that he does not have good experiences
with the CS setup, which is either refreshingly homest or an indication
of a dud product.
>
> So which is it to be? Your opinions and experiences would be highly appreciated!
>
> --------
> Jeroen
>
> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 [1]
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462236#462236 [2]
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? |
Hi David. This re-design is good news as i'll be ordering my Woodcomp early next
year from Kevin Dilks. Have they done anything with the motor as i have heard
of these running away to either fully fine or fully course.
Frank X- kit 165
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? |
I'm happy with the Airmaster CS with Warp Drive blades. This combinations seems
to be very rugged.
As some might remember I had cooling issues in high temperatures on the ground
(XS with Rotax 914) which I got under control in the meantime by simple measures.
What I can definitely say is, that Martin from Airmaster is very helpful and answers
any questions rapidly. The manuals are online in English and easy to understand.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? |
I have a Woodcomp SR2000 fitted for about ten years and I am very happy with it,
During a visit to the Woodcomp factory near Prague earlier this year I saw the
latest SR3000 hub and it looked much simpler and more robust than my hub so
constant developments have been carried out . I would have no hesitation in
recommending it , Of course I appreciate that the Airmaster is a well made
propeller but I have no personal knowledge or experience of this prop and I am
sure it works well but it is significantly more expensive
Tim H
>
> On 09 November 2016 at 20:58 Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote:
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> I'm happy with the Airmaster CS with Warp Drive blades. This combinations
> seems to be very rugged.
>
> As some might remember I had cooling issues in high temperatures on the
> ground (XS with Rotax 914) which I got under control in the meantime by simple
> measures.
>
> What I can definitely say is, that Martin from Airmaster is very helpful
> and answers any questions rapidly. The manuals are online in English and easy
> to understand.
>
> Regards
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS TG 914
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster or =?UTF-8?Q?Woodcomp=3F? |
Frank, I think it is a complete redesign, including thepitch change stop
system, which is now apparently much simpler to adjust. But if you want
more detail youcould probably get it from Kevin Dilks. Regards, David
On 2016-11-09 19:45, spcialeffects wrote:
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> Hi David. This re-design is good news as i'll be ordering my Woodcomp early next
year from Kevin Dilks. Have they done anything with the motor as i have heard
of these running away to either fully fine or fully course.
>
> Frank X- kit 165
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462246#462246 [1]
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