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0. 10:12 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in December! (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:40 AM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Remi Guerner)
2. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (William Daniell)
3. 05:02 AM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (Martin Tuck)
4. 08:45 AM - Re: R Trim Tab - Spare one + otrher items (Ian Cook)
5. 10:45 AM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Remi Guerner)
6. 10:48 AM - Re: R Trim Tab - Spare one + otrher items (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
7. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (David Watts)
8. 12:52 PM - Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? (Bud Yerly)
9. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (Bud Yerly)
10. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (Martin Tuck)
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Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
Yesterday I started to remove stuff from the engine compartment with the intention
of compensating the sagging using washers to shim the engine mounts. What
I saw was worse than expected. See attached pictures. Obviously the new rubber
mounts are a lot softer than the old ones. I am even wondering if such a configuration
is airworthy and I am looking for advice on that point.
Now what to do? The best would be to replace the rubber mount by the right ones.
I questioned Europa-Swift: they keep saying the supplied rubbers are the same
as before, so I do not expect a solution from this side. Buying direct from
their supplier: does anyone know the supplier name and part number of those rubber
mounts?
Remi
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
Remi
My kit is from 2003. I will send you a pic later but there are many more
threads showing on the bolts than seems to be the case in your foto. this
suggests to me that the issue might be that the rubber bushes are simply
not compressed enough....
Yours
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:40 AM, Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr> wrote:
>
> Yesterday I started to remove stuff from the engine compartment with the
> intention of compensating the sagging using washers to shim the engine
> mounts. What I saw was worse than expected. See attached pictures.
> Obviously the new rubber mounts are a lot softer than the old ones. I am
> even wondering if such a configuration is airworthy and I am looking for
> advice on that point.
> Now what to do? The best would be to replace the rubber mount by the right
> ones. I questioned Europa-Swift: they keep saying the supplied rubbers are
> the same as before, so I do not expect a solution from this side. Buying
> direct from their supplier: does anyone know the supplier name and part
> number of those rubber mounts?
> Remi
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462344#462344
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010380a_596.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010375a_126.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010372a_519.jpg
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
Hi Remi,
You show quite a bit more rubber sticking out either side than I see on mine, are
you sure the outer large washers are fully clamped between the spacers? The
rubber mounts don't seem fully compressed.
Martin Tuck
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 11, 2016, at 2:40 AM, Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr> wrote:
>
>
> Yesterday I started to remove stuff from the engine compartment with the intention
of compensating the sagging using washers to shim the engine mounts. What
I saw was worse than expected. See attached pictures. Obviously the new rubber
mounts are a lot softer than the old ones. I am even wondering if such a configuration
is airworthy and I am looking for advice on that point.
> Now what to do? The best would be to replace the rubber mount by the right ones.
I questioned Europa-Swift: they keep saying the supplied rubbers are the same
as before, so I do not expect a solution from this side. Buying direct from
their supplier: does anyone know the supplier name and part number of those
rubber mounts?
> Remi
>
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462344#462344
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010380a_596.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010375a_126.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010372a_519.jpg
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Subject: | R Trim Tab - Spare one + otrher items |
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
Yes Martin, the rubber mounts are fully compressed. I have done further investigation
today. I hoisted the engine and surprisingly the rubber mounts did not
come back to their symetrical position. Obviously there is a problem with the
material (not completely cured?) which leads to a permanent deformation. I will
probably re-install the original rubbers which are in very good shape, a lot
better after 16 years and 1400 flight hours than the new ones after 10 months/80
hours.
Remi
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462434#462434
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Subject: | R Trim Tab - Spare one + otrher items |
Ian, Sorry. It has gone. David
On 2016-11-11 16:44, Ian Cook wrote:
> David,
>
> I am interested in your front fuselage moulding if that is still available.
>
> Ian Cook, currently based at Lasham airfield.
>
> G-CBHI
>
> M;07912944536
>
> FROM: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] ON BEHALF OF davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
> SENT: 10 November 2016 16:49
> TO: europa-list@matronics.com
> SUBJECT: Europa-List: R Trim Tab - Spare one + otrher items
>
> Having bought a complete kit to yield the front part of a fuselage for my own
repair, I still have multiple spare bits to be disposed of at minimal charge,
including tail planes and trim tabs. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
> PS Other outstanding items include: Fuel tank; Windscreen; top half of fuselage;
Flap actuator (trigear); Trim actuator . Happy to sell for offers in the 10
to 20% list price range
>
> Also to give away: Used Mono wheel with good condition tyre & brake system: Tough
moulding of bottom front fuselage, which would make ideal basis of a fuselage
dolly.
>
> On 2016-11-10 15:24, jglazener wrote:
>
>>
>> Have you considered simply getting new ones? In the old days the tabs could
only be made as part of the complete stabiliser, but Europa now supply these parts
as completed items as part of their Next Gen redesign. I have seen these
NG parts, they look very good , and it could not only save you a lot of stress
but also the risk that you end up with a sub-standard part.
>>
>> --------
>>
>> Jeroen
>>
>> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 [1]
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462331#462331 [2]
>>
>> ectric.com
>>
>> ">www.buildersbooks.com [3]
>>
>> builthelp.com
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>> lotstore.com
>>
>> m
>>
>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>
>> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
>>
>> ics.com
>>
>> .com
>>
>> .matronics.com/contribution
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[2] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462331#462331
[3] http://www.buildersbooks.com
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
Hi Remi,
After your eMail this morning with the photos of your rubbers you had me worried.
So when I got to the aerodrome this morning I straight away checked mine, which
you will recall I replaced with new in May.
First off my spinner is in exactly the right position, so looking good. Next I
removed the cowling and I could see that my rubbers are exactly as they should
be. Phew!!!! I'm sorry that this doesn't shed any light on your problem though.
Dave Watts
> On 11 Nov 2016, at 18:44, Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr> wrote:
>
>
> Yes Martin, the rubber mounts are fully compressed. I have done further investigation
today. I hoisted the engine and surprisingly the rubber mounts did not
come back to their symetrical position. Obviously there is a problem with the
material (not completely cured?) which leads to a permanent deformation. I
will probably re-install the original rubbers which are in very good shape, a
lot better after 16 years and 1400 flight hours than the new ones after 10 months/80
hours.
> Remi
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462434#462434
>
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Subject: | Airmaster or Woodcomp? |
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
Remi,
This is most odd.
I just put in a new set on a plane within 12 months and of course made sure the
bolts were pulled up and the spacers were properly seated. No sag on the next
annual. Go figure.
Your landing gear mount and the engine mount are both square aren't they? One
photo seemed to be out of alignment. As you are well aware, the rubber gap when
torqued up should be even front to back and all four should be the same.
Check the rubbers when you swap them out and look for a defect.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi Guerner
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:40 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts
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Yesterday I started to remove stuff from the engine compartment with the intention
of compensating the sagging using washers to shim the engine mounts. What
I saw was worse than expected. See attached pictures. Obviously the new rubber
mounts are a lot softer than the old ones. I am even wondering if such a configuration
is airworthy and I am looking for advice on that point.
Now what to do? The best would be to replace the rubber mount by the right ones.
I questioned Europa-Swift: they keep saying the supplied rubbers are the same
as before, so I do not expect a solution from this side. Buying direct from
their supplier: does anyone know the supplier name and part number of those rubber
mounts?
Remi
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
Sounds like a plan, definitely send them back to Europa for examination.
Martin
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> On Nov 11, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr> wrote:
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> Yes Martin, the rubber mounts are fully compressed. I have done further investigation
today. I hoisted the engine and surprisingly the rubber mounts did not
come back to their symetrical position. Obviously there is a problem with the
material (not completely cured?) which leads to a permanent deformation. I
will probably re-install the original rubbers which are in very good shape, a
lot better after 16 years and 1400 flight hours than the new ones after 10 months/80
hours.
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