---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/11/16: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 10:12 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in December! (Matt Dralle) 1. 12:40 AM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Remi Guerner) 2. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (William Daniell) 3. 05:02 AM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (Martin Tuck) 4. 08:45 AM - Re: R Trim Tab - Spare one + otrher items (Ian Cook) 5. 10:45 AM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Remi Guerner) 6. 10:48 AM - Re: R Trim Tab - Spare one + otrher items (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 7. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (David Watts) 8. 12:52 PM - Re: Airmaster or Woodcomp? (Bud Yerly) 9. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (Bud Yerly) 10. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (Martin Tuck) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:42 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in December! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:35 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts From: "Remi Guerner" Yesterday I started to remove stuff from the engine compartment with the intention of compensating the sagging using washers to shim the engine mounts. What I saw was worse than expected. See attached pictures. Obviously the new rubber mounts are a lot softer than the old ones. I am even wondering if such a configuration is airworthy and I am looking for advice on that point. Now what to do? The best would be to replace the rubber mount by the right ones. I questioned Europa-Swift: they keep saying the supplied rubbers are the same as before, so I do not expect a solution from this side. Buying direct from their supplier: does anyone know the supplier name and part number of those rubber mounts? Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462344#462344 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010380a_596.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010375a_126.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010372a_519.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:54 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts Remi My kit is from 2003. I will send you a pic later but there are many more threads showing on the bolts than seems to be the case in your foto. this suggests to me that the issue might be that the rubber bushes are simply not compressed enough.... Yours Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:40 AM, Remi Guerner wrote: > > Yesterday I started to remove stuff from the engine compartment with the > intention of compensating the sagging using washers to shim the engine > mounts. What I saw was worse than expected. See attached pictures. > Obviously the new rubber mounts are a lot softer than the old ones. I am > even wondering if such a configuration is airworthy and I am looking for > advice on that point. > Now what to do? The best would be to replace the rubber mount by the right > ones. I questioned Europa-Swift: they keep saying the supplied rubbers are > the same as before, so I do not expect a solution from this side. Buying > direct from their supplier: does anyone know the supplier name and part > number of those rubber mounts? > Remi > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462344#462344 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010380a_596.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010375a_126.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010372a_519.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts From: Martin Tuck Hi Remi, You show quite a bit more rubber sticking out either side than I see on mine, are you sure the outer large washers are fully clamped between the spacers? The rubber mounts don't seem fully compressed. Martin Tuck Sent from my iPad > On Nov 11, 2016, at 2:40 AM, Remi Guerner wrote: > > > Yesterday I started to remove stuff from the engine compartment with the intention of compensating the sagging using washers to shim the engine mounts. What I saw was worse than expected. See attached pictures. Obviously the new rubber mounts are a lot softer than the old ones. I am even wondering if such a configuration is airworthy and I am looking for advice on that point. > Now what to do? The best would be to replace the rubber mount by the right ones. I questioned Europa-Swift: they keep saying the supplied rubbers are the same as before, so I do not expect a solution from this side. Buying direct from their supplier: does anyone know the supplier name and part number of those rubber mounts? > Remi > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462344#462344 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010380a_596.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010375a_126.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010372a_519.jpg > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:20 AM PST US From: Ian Cook Subject: RE: Europa-List: R Trim Tab - Spare one + otrher items RGF2aWQsDQogICAgICAgICBJIGFtIGludGVyZXN0ZWQgaW4geW91ciBmcm9udCBmdXNlbGFnZSBt b3VsZGluZyBpZiB0aGF0IGlzIHN0aWxsIGF2YWlsYWJsZS4NCg0KSWFuIENvb2ssIGN1cnJlbnRs eSBiYXNlZCBhdCBMYXNoYW0gYWlyZmllbGQuDQpHLUNCSEkNCk07MDc5MTI5NDQ1MzYNCg0KRnJv bTogb3duZXItZXVyb3BhLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20gW21haWx0bzpvd25lci1l dXJvcGEtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbV0gT24gQmVoYWxmIE9mIGRhdmlkam95Y2VA ZG9jdG9ycy5vcmcudWsNClNlbnQ6IDEwIE5vdmVtYmVyIDIwMTYgMTY6NDkNClRvOiBldXJvcGEt bGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBFdXJvcGEtTGlzdDogUiBUcmltIFRhYiAtIFNw YXJlIG9uZSArIG90cmhlciBpdGVtcw0KDQoNCkhhdmluZyBib3VnaHQgYSBjb21wbGV0ZSBraXQg dG8geWllbGQgdGhlIGZyb250IHBhcnQgb2YgYSBmdXNlbGFnZSBmb3IgbXkgb3duIHJlcGFpciwg SSBzdGlsbCBoYXZlIG11bHRpcGxlIHNwYXJlIGJpdHMgdG8gYmUgZGlzcG9zZWQgb2YgYXQgbWlu aW1hbCBjaGFyZ2UsIGluY2x1ZGluZyB0YWlsIHBsYW5lcyBhbmQgdHJpbSB0YWJzLiBSZWdhcmRz LCBEYXZpZCBKb3ljZSwgR1hTREoNCg0KUFMgT3RoZXIgb3V0c3RhbmRpbmcgaXRlbXMgaW5jbHVk ZTogRnVlbCB0YW5rOyBXaW5kc2NyZWVuOyB0b3AgaGFsZiBvZiBmdXNlbGFnZTsgRmxhcCBhY3R1 YXRvciAodHJpZ2Vhcik7IFRyaW0gYWN0dWF0b3IgLiBIYXBweSB0byBzZWxsIGZvciBvZmZlcnMg aW4gdGhlIDEwIHRvIDIwJSBsaXN0IHByaWNlIHJhbmdlDQoNCkFsc28gdG8gZ2l2ZSBhd2F5OiBV c2VkIE1vbm8gd2hlZWwgd2l0aCBnb29kIGNvbmRpdGlvbiB0eXJlICYgYnJha2Ugc3lzdGVtOiBU b3VnaCBtb3VsZGluZyBvZiBib3R0b20gZnJvbnQgZnVzZWxhZ2UsIHdoaWNoIHdvdWxkIG1ha2Ug aWRlYWwgYmFzaXMgb2YgYSBmdXNlbGFnZSBkb2xseS4NCg0KDQoNCg0KT24gMjAxNi0xMS0xMCAx NToyNCwgamdsYXplbmVyIHdyb3RlOg0KDQotLT4gRXVyb3BhLUxpc3QgbWVzc2FnZSBwb3N0ZWQg Ynk6ICJqZ2xhemVuZXIiIDxqLmdsYXplbmVyQHBsYW5ldC5ubDxtYWlsdG86ai5nbGF6ZW5lckBw bGFuZXQubmw+Pg0KDQoNCg0KSGF2ZSB5b3UgY29uc2lkZXJlZCBzaW1wbHkgZ2V0dGluZyBuZXcg b25lcz8gSW4gdGhlIG9sZCBkYXlzIHRoZSB0YWJzIGNvdWxkIG9ubHkgYmUgbWFkZSBhcyBwYXJ0 IG9mIHRoZSBjb21wbGV0ZSBzdGFiaWxpc2VyLCBidXQgRXVyb3BhIG5vdyBzdXBwbHkgdGhlc2Ug cGFydHMgYXMgY29tcGxldGVkIGl0ZW1zIGFzIHBhcnQgb2YgdGhlaXIgTmV4dCBHZW4gcmVkZXNp Z24uIEkgaGF2ZSBzZWVuIHRoZXNlIE5HIHBhcnRzLCB0aGV5IGxvb2sgdmVyeSBnb29kICwgYW5k IGl0IGNvdWxkIG5vdCBvbmx5IHNhdmUgeW91IGEgbG90IG9mIHN0cmVzcyBidXQgYWxzbyB0aGUg cmlzayB0aGF0IHlvdSBlbmQgdXAgd2l0aCBhIHN1Yi1zdGFuZGFyZCBwYXJ0Lg0KDQoNCg0KLS0t LS0tLS0NCg0KSmVyb2VuDQoNCg0KDQpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmV1cm9wYW93bmVycy5vcmcvbWFpbi5w aHA/ZzJfaXRlbUlkPTQ0MTY1DQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQpSZWFkIHRoaXMgdG9waWMgb25s aW5lIGhlcmU6DQoNCg0KDQpodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vdmlld3RvcGljLnBo cD9wPTQ2MjMzMSM0NjIzMzENCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KZWN0cmljLmNvbQ0K DQoiPnd3dy5idWlsZGVyc2Jvb2tzLmNvbTxodHRwOi8vd3d3LmJ1aWxkZXJzYm9va3MuY29tPg0K DQpidWlsdGhlbHAuY29tDQoNCmxvdHN0b3JlLmNvbQ0KDQptDQoNCi5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2Nv bnRyaWJ1dGlvbg0KDQp0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9OYXZpZ2F0b3I/RXVyb3BhLUxp c3QNCg0KaWNzLmNvbQ0KDQouY29tDQoNCi5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbg0KDQoN Cg0KDQoNCg0K ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts From: "Remi Guerner" Yes Martin, the rubber mounts are fully compressed. I have done further investigation today. I hoisted the engine and surprisingly the rubber mounts did not come back to their symetrical position. Obviously there is a problem with the material (not completely cured?) which leads to a permanent deformation. I will probably re-install the original rubbers which are in very good shape, a lot better after 16 years and 1400 flight hours than the new ones after 10 months/80 hours. Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462434#462434 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:49 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: RE: Europa-List: R Trim Tab - Spare one + otrher items Ian, Sorry. It has gone. David On 2016-11-11 16:44, Ian Cook wrote: > David, > > I am interested in your front fuselage moulding if that is still available. > > Ian Cook, currently based at Lasham airfield. > > G-CBHI > > M;07912944536 > > FROM: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] ON BEHALF OF davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk > SENT: 10 November 2016 16:49 > TO: europa-list@matronics.com > SUBJECT: Europa-List: R Trim Tab - Spare one + otrher items > > Having bought a complete kit to yield the front part of a fuselage for my own repair, I still have multiple spare bits to be disposed of at minimal charge, including tail planes and trim tabs. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ > > PS Other outstanding items include: Fuel tank; Windscreen; top half of fuselage; Flap actuator (trigear); Trim actuator . Happy to sell for offers in the 10 to 20% list price range > > Also to give away: Used Mono wheel with good condition tyre & brake system: Tough moulding of bottom front fuselage, which would make ideal basis of a fuselage dolly. > > On 2016-11-10 15:24, jglazener wrote: > >> >> Have you considered simply getting new ones? In the old days the tabs could only be made as part of the complete stabiliser, but Europa now supply these parts as completed items as part of their Next Gen redesign. I have seen these NG parts, they look very good , and it could not only save you a lot of stress but also the risk that you end up with a sub-standard part. >> >> -------- >> >> Jeroen >> >> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 [1] >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462331#462331 [2] >> >> ectric.com >> >> ">www.buildersbooks.com [3] >> >> builthelp.com >> >> lotstore.com >> >> m >> >> .matronics.com/contribution >> >> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >> >> ics.com >> >> .com >> >> .matronics.com/contribution Links: ------ [1] http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 [2] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462331#462331 [3] http://www.buildersbooks.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts From: David Watts Hi Remi, After your eMail this morning with the photos of your rubbers you had me worried. So when I got to the aerodrome this morning I straight away checked mine, which you will recall I replaced with new in May. First off my spinner is in exactly the right position, so looking good. Next I removed the cowling and I could see that my rubbers are exactly as they should be. Phew!!!! I'm sorry that this doesn't shed any light on your problem though. Dave Watts > On 11 Nov 2016, at 18:44, Remi Guerner wrote: > > > Yes Martin, the rubber mounts are fully compressed. I have done further investigation today. I hoisted the engine and surprisingly the rubber mounts did not come back to their symetrical position. Obviously there is a problem with the material (not completely cured?) which leads to a permanent deformation. I will probably re-install the original rubbers which are in very good shape, a lot better after 16 years and 1400 flight hours than the new ones after 10 months/80 hours. > Remi > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462434#462434 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:13 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster or Woodcomp? 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I just put in a new set on a plane within 12 months and of course made sure the bolts were pulled up and the spacers were properly seated. No sag on the next annual. Go figure. Your landing gear mount and the engine mount are both square aren't they? One photo seemed to be out of alignment. As you are well aware, the rubber gap when torqued up should be even front to back and all four should be the same. Check the rubbers when you swap them out and look for a defect. Regards, Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi Guerner Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 3:40 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts --> Yesterday I started to remove stuff from the engine compartment with the intention of compensating the sagging using washers to shim the engine mounts. What I saw was worse than expected. See attached pictures. Obviously the new rubber mounts are a lot softer than the old ones. I am even wondering if such a configuration is airworthy and I am looking for advice on that point. Now what to do? The best would be to replace the rubber mount by the right ones. I questioned Europa-Swift: they keep saying the supplied rubbers are the same as before, so I do not expect a solution from this side. Buying direct from their supplier: does anyone know the supplier name and part number of those rubber mounts? Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462344#462344 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010380a_596.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010375a_126.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010372a_519.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts From: Martin Tuck Sounds like a plan, definitely send them back to Europa for examination. Martin Sent from my iPad > On Nov 11, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Remi Guerner wrote: > > > Yes Martin, the rubber mounts are fully compressed. I have done further investigation today. I hoisted the engine and surprisingly the rubber mounts did not come back to their symetrical position. Obviously there is a problem with the material (not completely cured?) which leads to a permanent deformation. I will probably re-install the original rubbers which are in very good shape, a lot better after 16 years and 1400 flight hours than the new ones after 10 months/80 hours. > Remi > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=462434#462434 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.