---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/09/16: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:42 AM - Wing walk area delamination? (Richard Lamprey) 2. 01:14 AM - Re: Dynon Pitot/AOA (John Wighton) 3. 01:16 AM - Re: Wing walk area delamination? (Tim Ward) 4. 01:22 AM - Re: Wing walk area delamination? (John Wighton) 5. 01:40 AM - Re: Wing walk area delamination? (David Watts) 6. 01:48 AM - Re: Wing walk area delamination? (jonathanmilbank) 7. 04:14 AM - Re: Dynon Pitot/AOA (graeme bird) 8. 12:32 PM - Cowling (Airmaster) spinner gap (William Daniell) 9. 01:02 PM - Re: Cowling (Airmaster) spinner gap (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 10. 01:04 PM - Re: Cowling (Airmaster) spinner gap (david park) 11. 01:22 PM - Re: Cowling (Airmaster) spinner gap (William Daniell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:01 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Wing walk area delamination? From: "Richard Lamprey" Hi, my wing-walk area , pilots side, especially spar-forward, is softer and springier than it used to be. It used to be hard as a rock. Maybe with all the getting in and out, especially moving forward to the leading edge, has caused some delamination. Has anyone else had this problem, and how did they solve it? Thanks, best, Richard Kenya Europa Classic Mono Reg 5Y-LRY Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463794#463794 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:14:29 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Dynon Pitot/AOA From: "John Wighton" I was about to post a similar post myself. The Dynon AoA/pitot is already fitted to many aircraft but there is no Europa specific Mod which has been accepted by the LAA. I realise this is not required outside the UK but the acceptance process considers all of the aerodynamic, structural and performance issues and therefore is a good place for others to start. I have already advised an owner that the Dynon recommendation for the position of the AoA probe/pitot may not be best for the Europa. The existing pitot/static is >50% aft chord and has around 7in offset from the lower aerofoil surface. As there is an existing facility to attach the standard pitot/probe and access the static lines l figure this may be a good place to install the Dynon. The function/calibration as an AoA needs to be assessed. It is not intended to be the primary means of stall warning, it being a backup to the stall strip or buzzer already mandated by the LAA. If there are any Europa owners/operators on the forum who currently have the Dynon AoA/pitot system installed can they please send me an email (to john.wighton (at) ecoflight.co.uk). This is especially the case for UK based operators (or other nations who use LAA Engineering approvals as a baseline) as they are most likely operating with unapproved equipment. All communications will be treated as confidential) Another challenge is to get the required power out to the heated pitot. This is relevant for Europa owners who are considering adapting their aircraft for UK IFR operation under the LAA scheme. The static port locations could be as standard (as Martin is proposing) - l understand that Andy Draper has recommended twin fuselage mounted ports on another Europa which will use the Dynon pitot/AoA. The location of these is not yet proven, although Andy has significant experience with Europas and may have seen a similar installation that worked successfully. Depending on the response to this request l should be able to share relevant technical data with Martin in the USA. -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463795#463795 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing walk area delamination? From: Tim Ward Hi Richard, I know one builder who had a similar problem by simply seating in that area while working on the aircraft. His body heat, along with a hot day, caused the softening. Not sure what he did, if anything. He didn't have any delaminating. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand ward.t@xtra.co.nz Mob +64 210640221 > On 9/12/2016, at 4:41 PM, Richard Lamprey wrote: > > > Hi, my wing-walk area , pilots side, especially spar-forward, is softer and springier than it used to be. It used to be hard as a rock. Maybe with all the getting in and out, especially moving forward to the leading edge, has caused some delamination. Has anyone else had this problem, and how did they solve it? > Thanks, best, Richard > Kenya Europa Classic Mono Reg 5Y-LRY > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463794#463794 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:06 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing walk area delamination? From: "John Wighton" Richard, I would make an immediate inspection of the are using a boroscope, if the skin is compromised in this area there may be a significant reduction in strength. The delaminated skin will only transfer loads in tension (top skin = negative G), therefore you may have a reduction in ability to transfer positive G loads to the fwd pickup. Luckily the spar does much of the work, but the skins work for torsion and to transfer drag/antidrag loads via shear into the fwd/aft pickups. If it is delaminated the repair may need to be more than localised. Did you know Dr Joyce has some spare wings from kit #506? I hope it turns out to be more benign than it at first appears. Regards JW -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463797#463797 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing walk area delamination? From: David Watts Hi Richard, Yes I have had it a couple of times and dealt with it on 3 others. Seen in the right light you will usually see what looks like a high area (like a big low bubble). Mark the outer limits of this bubble with a marker or tape. Now the way to sort it out is to drill a series of 1/8 inch or so holes around towards the outer limits of the area and then leave it for a while to settle (maybe overnight or a day or so). I usually tape and cover over the rest of the wing outside of the area with plastic sheet. Now get a syringe and mix up some resin and inject it in to one of the holes and keep injecting until it comes out of each of the other holes. You will have to tape over each hole after the first bit of resin comes out of that hole to stop all of it coming out of that one. Once you have got resin out of all of the holes you know it has spread throughout the area and you are done. I usually cover the area with plastic sheet and lay something flexible and soft and a little weighty over the area like a small bag of sand. After it has all set you just need to make the area good again, which is the worst part of the job. Dave Watts G-BXDY Classic Monowheel 2,300 hours. > On 9 Dec 2016, at 08:41, Richard Lamprey wrote: > > > Hi, my wing-walk area , pilots side, especially spar-forward, is softer and springier than it used to be. It used to be hard as a rock. Maybe with all the getting in and out, especially moving forward to the leading edge, has caused some delamination. Has anyone else had this problem, and how did they solve it? > Thanks, best, Richard > Kenya Europa Classic Mono Reg 5Y-LRY > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463794#463794 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:06 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing walk area delamination? From: "jonathanmilbank" If memory serves me, a very long time ago Peter Kember had the same thing and effected a repair in the same way as Doug describes above. I think that the reason I haven't suffered in the same way (yet) might be because I added a couple of extra layers of glass cloth to my walkways 20 years ago. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463799#463799 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Dynon Pitot/AOA From: "graeme bird" I am looking at adding heating to the end of a standard europa pitot pipe from aircraft spruce. Either using the positive temperature coeffient PTC resistors as proposed/built by Eric M Jones for his glastar or using power resistors around the tube end and a thermistor/silicon sensor based drive to heat when its around zero. This way could make pitot heating viable on a standard 912S alternator. It could be sufficiently light as to make no difference to the mounting method. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis ap, pflarm, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP 5, Aera500 & SD on Nexus, 250 hours & 4 years on the Mono, 880 total g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463800#463800 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:24 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Europa-List: Cowling (Airmaster) spinner gap What is the recommended gap between the cowling and the spinner I see 1" in the manual but think that I have seen different on the forum. thanks Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:28 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cowling (Airmaster) spinner gap Will, When I was building I spoke to Andy Draper atthe company and he said 2-3 mm is fine and enough to allow for engine movement. No point in having large gaps, which do nothing for aerodynamics or appearance. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2016-12-09 20:31, William Daniell wrote: > What is the recommended gap between the cowling and the spinner > > I see 1" in the manual but think that I have seen different on the forum. > > thanks > > Will > > William Daniell LONGPORT > > +57 310 295 0744 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cowling (Airmaster) spinner gap From: david park Dave Park Mine is no more than 3/8inch Regards Dave Park On 9 Dec 2016, at 20:31, William Daniell wrote: > > What is the recommended gap between the cowling and the spinner > > I see 1" in the manual but think that I have seen different on the forum. > > thanks > > Will > William Daniell > LONGPORT > +57 310 295 0744 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:38 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cowling (Airmaster) spinner gap Ok excellent thanks On Dec 9, 2016 15:35, "William Daniell" wrote: > What is the recommended gap between the cowling and the spinner > > I see 1" in the manual but think that I have seen different on the forum. > > thanks > > Will > William Daniell > LONGPORT > +57 310 295 0744 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.