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1. 12:39 AM - Re: Wing walk area delamination? (Richard Lamprey)
2. 01:15 AM - Re: Re: Wing walk area delamination? (Pete Lawless)
3. 03:00 AM - Re: Wing walk area delamination? (jonathanmilbank)
4. 04:26 AM - Re: Interior (BobD)
5. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Interior (James Kelly)
6. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Wing walk area delamination? (Neville Eyre)
7. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: Wing walk area delamination? (Bud Yerly)
8. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Wing walk area delamination? (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing walk area delamination? |
Thanks again everyone. So here's another question... especially affects anyone
who lives outside of UK or USA. Ampreg is classified as a highly dangerous substance,
so there are major issues in getting this transported now on any airline.
I have nothing left from my completion 18 years ago, and wouldn't want
to use this anyway!! Back in 1999, my last batch of 5 litres, cost GBP 600 to
get to me in Kenya, once packaging regs had been complied with. Do they sell
in small quantities that can be easily transported? What are the alternatives
for epoxy resins, that I might be able to find (in Kenya getting anything like
this is challenging, its polyester resins only). I am in UK occasionally.
Best
Richard
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| Subject: | Re: Wing walk area delamination? |
Hi Richard
For odd little jobs I get small quantities of epoxy from Severn Valley
Sailplanes. Should think most companies that supply glider bits in the
UK could help.
http://www.svsponline.co.uk/scheufler-l285-resin.html
Regards
Pete
On 13/12/16 08:35, Richard Lamprey wrote:
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> Thanks again everyone. So here's another question... especially affects anyone
who lives outside of UK or USA. Ampreg is classified as a highly dangerous
substance, so there are major issues in getting this transported now on any airline.
I have nothing left from my completion 18 years ago, and wouldn't want
to use this anyway!! Back in 1999, my last batch of 5 litres, cost GBP 600
to get to me in Kenya, once packaging regs had been complied with. Do they sell
in small quantities that can be easily transported? What are the alternatives
for epoxy resins, that I might be able to find (in Kenya getting anything
like this is challenging, its polyester resins only). I am in UK occasionally.
> Best
> Richard
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463875#463875
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| Subject: | Re: Wing walk area delamination? |
West Systems does a range of package sizes and this is what I've bought recently
through Amazon, although you can get it from many sources including boat suppliers.
Instead of 205 standard hardener, you might consider 206 slow because
you're working in a hot climate.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/West-System-Pack-Epoxy-Hardener/dp/B00BAX1UI2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481626520&sr=8-1&keywords=west+system+epoxy
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Like Frank, I am thinking of getting my interior done soon, so if anyone has suggestions
or contacts for Trimmers in the Midlands or North, please let me know
(I am in Sheffield).
TIA
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Bob Dawson
XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ
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Hi Bob, I need the same, please let me have any details we could get a
cheaper job if there's two potential clients.
Jim G-BWEG Classic taildragger Europa
On 13 Dec 2016 12:29 p.m., "BobD" <rjd@bobdawson.plus.com> wrote:
Like Frank, I am thinking of getting my interior done soon, so if anyone
has suggestions or contacts for Trimmers in the Midlands or North, please
let me know (I am in Sheffield).
TIA
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Bob Dawson
XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ
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| Subject: | Re: Wing walk area delamination? |
Hi Richard,
Ampreg isn't especially good as an adhesive [ not much better as a laminating resin
either !], better by far would be a 30 minute epoxy adhesive from a model
/ hobby shop. I use Pacer z-poxy for any tacking jobs, and all my models.Their
30 min' stuff is quite runny when warmed up before mixing. Warm the two components
up, they come in flexable bottles with nozzles so easy to pour, it's a
50/50 ratio [ use scales !]. Get everything drilled and masked as others have
said, I usually drill a 3/16'' hole to suit the syringe, and 1/8'' holes around
the edge of the delamination, mask off the entire area ' and well past, leaving
the holes open and have ready bits of tape to seal when each hole weeps resin.
Buds tip of chilling the area sounds good. Do a test run between 2 pieces
of clear Perspex with the described holes, to a similar size to the damaged area,
taped together with mixing stick shims so there is a gap for the resin to
fill.
A test mix of Ampreg with a bit of micro in it, when cured will snap quite easily,
the Z-poxy, as is with no micro will remain flexable, much better bet than
a stiff lump of resin.
DONT USE POLYESTER, IT WILL DISOLVE THE BLUE FOAM !
Cheers,
Nev
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From: Richard Lamprey <lamprey.richard@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 8:40
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing walk area delamination?
Thanks again everyone. So here's another question... especially affects anyone
who lives outside of UK or USA. Ampreg is classified as a highly dangerous substance,
so there are major issues in getting this transported now on any airline.
I have nothing left from my completion 18 years ago, and wouldn't want
to use this anyway!! Back in 1999, my last batch of 5 litres, cost GBP 600 to
get to me in Kenya, once packaging regs had been complied with. Do they sell
in small quantities that can be easily transported? What are the alternatives
for epoxy resins, that I might be able to find (in Kenya getting anything like
this is challenging, its polyester resins only). I am in UK occasionally.
Best
Richard
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463875#463875
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| Subject: | Re: Wing walk area delamination? |
One of the better resin systems is Scheufler L285 H285 used by the glider i
ndustry,possibly Grob too. It's less toxic and easy to use. There is a US v
ersion, MGSsold by Aircraft Spruce.Graham
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On Tuesday, 13 December 2016, 17:20, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote
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Richard,It's, tough as all epoxies are hazardous.So ground or supply aircr
aft only for transport.
Any quality laminating epoxy resin is normally fine.=C2- In Africa, Sting
Aircraft uses epoxy so there is a supplier in South Africa I'm sure.=C2-
Compare the MSDS and SPECIFICATIONS documentation.=C2- Ampreg 20 was simi
lar to Aeropoxy and West Systems.=C2- Ampreg just needed very warm temper
atures to cure well.=C2- Aeropoxy cures at room temp as do many boat epox
ies like West Systems.
I only use Ampreg 21 when required for me doing structural mods such as mod
78.=C2- 21 is tougher but for our layups I use Aeropoxy.
Regards,
Bud Yerly,Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROIDOn Dec 13, 2016 3:43 AM, Richard
Lamprey <lamprey.richard@gmail.com> wrote:
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Thanks again everyone.=C2- So here's another question... especially affec
ts anyone who lives outside of UK or USA.=C2- Ampreg is classified as a h
ighly dangerous substance, so there are major issues in getting this transp
orted now on any airline.=C2- I have nothing left from my completion 18 y
ears ago, and wouldn't want to use this anyway!!=C2- Back in 1999, my las
t batch of 5 litres, cost GBP 600 to get to me in Kenya, once packaging reg
s had been complied with.=C2- Do they sell in small quantities that can b
e easily transported?=C2- What are the alternatives for epoxy resins, tha
t I might be able to find (in Kenya getting anything like this is challengi
ng, its polyester resins only).=C2- I am in UK occasionally.
Best
Richard
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