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1. 01:29 AM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Remi Guerner)
2. 03:16 AM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Roland)
3. 05:17 AM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (Christoph Both)
4. 05:47 AM - Door Hinge (Brian Davies)
5. 07:56 AM - Re: Classic cowls, with XS oil & water radiators? Buy ne (Erich Trombley)
6. 07:56 AM - Re: Door Hinge (Alan Burrill)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: Door Hinge (Pete Jeffers)
8. 08:44 AM - Re: Classic cowls, with XS oil & water radiators? Buy ne (jonathanmilbank)
9. 09:10 AM - Re: Classic cowls, with XS oil & water radiators? Buy ne (G-ODTW)
10. 09:35 AM - Re: Door Hinge (Rowland Carson)
11. 10:09 AM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Roland)
12. 10:31 AM - Re: Door Hinge (Brian Davies)
13. 10:35 AM - Re: Door Hinge (Alan Burrill)
14. 11:28 AM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Remi Guerner)
15. 01:14 PM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Roland)
16. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (Rowland Carson)
17. 02:17 PM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Roland)
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
Hi Roland,
Still no news from Europa on that subject. They keep saying they are investigating
the issue with their supplier. In the meantime I have received a set of mounts
which seem to be of the same hardness as the original ones.
Remi
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
Bonjour et merci, Remi.
So I'm probably going to to the same as you - replacing the faulty ones with the
old "good" ones and send the new ones to Europa. While we're at it, how many
hours did the replacement take you and how did you hoist the engine? Anything
to take special care of? I hope that all wires and cables can stay in place.
When I changed the rubbermounts the last time I had to install a new engine anyway,
so accessibility wasn't an issue back then.
Salut
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
Hello,
The easiest way without removing or hoisting the engine is to remove the bolts
of one vertical pair of mounts and "swing" the engine out like on a hinge, giving
just sufficient room to take out and replace the rubber mounts on the opposite
side. Then reinstall and do the other side.
I have a classic installation which allows a bit of sideways movement.
Christoph Both
Europa #223
Wolfville Canada
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> On Dec 17, 2016, at 07:16, Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote:
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> Bonjour et merci, Remi.
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> So I'm probably going to to the same as you - replacing the faulty ones with
the old "good" ones and send the new ones to Europa. While we're at it, how many
hours did the replacement take you and how did you hoist the engine? Anything
to take special care of? I hope that all wires and cables can stay in place.
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> When I changed the rubbermounts the last time I had to install a new engine anyway,
so accessibility wasn't an issue back then.
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> Salut
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
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Many moons ago someone posted a door strut mechanism that removed all of
the spring strut force from the door when it was closed. Does anyone have a
link or drawing of the design?
Regards
Brian Davies
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Subject: | Re: Classic cowls, with XS oil & water radiators? Buy ne |
Hi David, I did just that. I have a 914 installed with XS engine mount
in my monowheel classic with a modified classic cowl. I chose to cut of
f the nose of the cowl and extend it to accommodate the 914 and build a
doghouse for the XS oil cooler and radiator. The process is really pret
ty straight forward. Contact me off list if you would like additional d
etails. Regards,Erich TrombleyN28ET David wrote: I have kit 215, a Class
ic Tri Gear, with a Rotax 912ULS. It has the Classic cowls ( I actually
have 2 sets of them), but the Europa supplied firewall forward kit requi
res XS cowls.
Folk tell me I must order a set of XS cowls. But is it feasible to mod t
he Classic ones?
Having been totally absorbed running an engineering business for the las
t 30 years, building my 'plane came last in the priorities. Finally I ha
ve more time and am making good progress, but I do have a few dumb quest
ions that others asked 15+ years back.
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I think I know the one you mean and have a copy but no access to my computer
where it's stored.
I'll pass it on later.
Alan Burrill
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> On 17 Dec 2016, at 13:47, Brian Davies <brian.davies@clara.co.uk> wrote:
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> Many moons ago someone posted a door strut mechanism that removed all of t
he spring strut force from the door when it was closed. Does anyone have a l
ink or drawing of the design?
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> Regards
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> Brian Davies
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Hi Alan,
If and when you find the details could you copy me in as well. Ta
Pete J
Happy Christmas =F0=9F=8E=85
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Hinge
I think I know the one you mean and have a copy but no access to my compute
r where it's stored.
I'll pass it on later.
Alan Burrill
Sent from my iPad
On 17 Dec 2016, at 13:47, Brian Davies <brian.davies@clara.co.uk> wrote:
Many moons ago someone posted a door strut mechanism that removed all of t
he spring strut force from the door when it was closed. Does anyone have a
link or drawing of the design?
Regards
Brian Davies
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Subject: | Re: Classic cowls, with XS oil & water radiators? Buy ne |
Hi Erich. Curiosity's got the better of me! Any chance of pictures to show the
finished result from sides and front? Thanks. Jonathan
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Subject: | Re: Classic cowls, with XS oil & water radiators? Buy ne |
Thanks Eric, but I now have one of Neville Eyre's cowls on order.
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David Walters
01474 816817
dave@robotas.com
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On 2016-12-17, at 13:47, Brian Davies <brian.davies@clara.co.uk> wrote:
> Many moons ago someone posted a door strut mechanism that removed all
of the spring strut force from the door when it was closed. Does anyone
have a link or drawing of the design?
Brian - here=99s what I=99ve got relating to Ted
Gladstone=99s design.
The sketches came from Gerry Cole who wrote:
> I attach my sketch of the upper pivot bracket as requested, which
may be useful for Europa=99s mod. I=99ve just had a good
look round to see if I had a copy of Teds drawing but without success.
However I did find my drawing of the lower pivot point machining needed
to position the bottom end of the gas strut correctly within the stay.
I=99ll attach this in a second email since today Photo Gallery
wants to put everything in a cloud if I try to attach both.
> Should you want to go with Ted=99s mod he may not mind you
contacting him =93 he may still be in the LAA Edinburgh strut. I
have his address as 19 Southfield Gardens East, Edinburgh EH15 QN, Tel
No 0131 669 7255. He shares (shared?) Europa G-ZTED with Justin Kennedy
which has a number of Ted=99s clever mods.
And now I=99ve discovered another thread from 2014 which points
to:
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.p
df
So we should have looked on the Europa Club website first!
in friendship
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
Hi Christoph ant thanks for the tip - sounds not that difficult, but accessibility
in front of the firewall is not great anyway. I'm confident that I can make
it within a few hours with the help of my mechanic.
Grsse aus Deutschland :-)
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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Many thanks Rowland,
That is exactly what I was looking for.
I did try the Europa Club website first but my search skills failed me.
Best regards
Brian
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Carson
Sent: 17 December 2016 17:35
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Hinge
On 2016-12-17, at 13:47, Brian Davies <brian.davies@clara.co.uk> wrote:
Many moons ago someone posted a door strut mechanism that removed all
of the spring strut force from the door when it was closed. Does anyone
have a link or drawing of the design?
Brian - here=99s what I=99ve got relating to Ted
Gladstone=99s design.
The sketches came from Gerry Cole who wrote:
I attach my sketch of the upper pivot bracket as requested, which may
be useful for Europa=99s mod. I=99ve just had a good look
round to see if I had a copy of Teds drawing but without success.
However I did find my drawing of the lower pivot point machining needed
to position the bottom end of the gas strut correctly within the stay.
I=99ll attach this in a second email since today Photo Gallery
wants to put everything in a cloud if I try to attach both.
Should you want to go with Ted=99s mod he may not mind you
contacting him =93 he may still be in the LAA Edinburgh strut. I
have his address as 19 Southfield Gardens East, Edinburgh EH15 QN, Tel
No 0131 669 7255. He shares (shared?) Europa G-ZTED with Justin Kennedy
which has a number of Ted=99s clever mods.
And now I=99ve discovered another thread from 2014 which points
to:
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.
pdf
So we should have looked on the Europa Club website first!
in friendship
Rowland
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Brian, Pete and Rowland
and here is the full mod I downloaded.
Alan
> On 17 Dec 2016, at 17:34, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
wrote:
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> On 2016-12-17, at 13:47, Brian Davies <brian.davies@clara.co.uk
<mailto:brian.davies@clara.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> Many moons ago someone posted a door strut mechanism that removed
all of the spring strut force from the door when it was closed. Does
anyone have a link or drawing of the design?
>
>
> Brian - here=99s what I=99ve got relating to Ted
Gladstone=99s design.
>
>
> The sketches came from Gerry Cole who wrote:
>
>> I attach my sketch of the upper pivot bracket as requested, which
may be useful for Europa=99s mod. I=99ve just had a good
look round to see if I had a copy of Teds drawing but without success.
However I did find my drawing of the lower pivot point machining needed
to position the bottom end of the gas strut correctly within the stay.
I=99ll attach this in a second email since today Photo Gallery
wants to put everything in a cloud if I try to attach both.
>> Should you want to go with Ted=99s mod he may not mind you
contacting him =93 he may still be in the LAA Edinburgh strut. I
have his address as 19 Southfield Gardens East, Edinburgh EH15 QN, Tel
No 0131 669 7255. He shares (shared?) Europa G-ZTED with Justin Kennedy
which has a number of Ted=99s clever mods.
>
>
> And now I=99ve discovered another thread from 2014 which points
to:
>
>
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.p
df
<http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.
pdf>
>
> So we should have looked on the Europa Club website first!
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
>
http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk <http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/>
> <007.jpg><Ted's stay bottom pivot 001.jpg><Upper Pivot Bracket
001.jpg>
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
Roland and Christoph,
When I did that work, I first tried to remove the two upper bolts while hoisting
the engine to remove most of the load. That did not work as the bolts were sticking
to the rubber material. So I decided to proceed as for Mod 72, i.e. moving
forward the engine/prop/cooling tunnel. You really need to borrow an hydraulic
crane to do that easily. Depending on your installation you may need to
disconnect some wiring or/and hoses. I do not know how many hours of labor I spent,
but that was probably around 15 hours. Not funny!
Remi
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
One more question: last time when we installed the rubber mounts, we managed to
compress not only the MT04's but also the MT03 steel-spacers with which to me
seemed like a reasonable torque, so that I also had to order new MT03's from
Europa.
Although the MT04 should be fully compressed on the MT03 spacers I'd like to avoid
to again damage the MT03's by overtorquing for obvious reasons.
Any suggestions as to how to make it right? The installation manual only states
"tightened fully":
Note:
The 4 AN5-41 mounting bolts must be tightened fully to compress the rubber anti-vibration
mounts (MT04) onto the steel spacers (MT03).
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
On 2016-12-17, at 21:13, Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote:
> One more question: last time when we installed the rubber mounts, we managed
to compress not only the MT04's but also the MT03 steel-spacers with which to
me seemed like a reasonable torque, so that I also had to order new MT03's from
Europa.
>
> Although the MT04 should be fully compressed on the MT03 spacers I'd like to
avoid to again damage the MT03's by overtorquing for obvious reasons.
>
> Any suggestions as to how to make it right? The installation manual only states
"tightened fully:
Roland - I fitted the rubber mounts not very long ago. Although some effort was
required to compress the rubbers, I found that it was relatively easy to feel
when the MT02 cup washers came into contact with both ends of the MT03 spacers
- there was a distinctly more solid resistance to further tightening.
in friendship
Rowland
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Subject: | Re: Engine rubber mounts |
Thank you, Rowland. The problem might have been, that we were two (one turning
on the one side and one securing on the other side) and so maybe lacking that
feeling for the distinctive resistance you've described.
OTOH I wasn't aware, that it's at all possible to deform the MT03 "so easily".
Regards
Roland (without the "w" :-)
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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