---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/17/16: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:29 AM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Remi Guerner) 2. 03:16 AM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Roland) 3. 05:17 AM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (Christoph Both) 4. 05:47 AM - Door Hinge (Brian Davies) 5. 07:56 AM - Re: Classic cowls, with XS oil & water radiators? Buy ne (Erich Trombley) 6. 07:56 AM - Re: Door Hinge (Alan Burrill) 7. 08:22 AM - Re: Door Hinge (Pete Jeffers) 8. 08:44 AM - Re: Classic cowls, with XS oil & water radiators? Buy ne (jonathanmilbank) 9. 09:10 AM - Re: Classic cowls, with XS oil & water radiators? Buy ne (G-ODTW) 10. 09:35 AM - Re: Door Hinge (Rowland Carson) 11. 10:09 AM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Roland) 12. 10:31 AM - Re: Door Hinge (Brian Davies) 13. 10:35 AM - Re: Door Hinge (Alan Burrill) 14. 11:28 AM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Remi Guerner) 15. 01:14 PM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Roland) 16. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Engine rubber mounts (Rowland Carson) 17. 02:17 PM - Re: Engine rubber mounts (Roland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:45 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts From: "Remi Guerner" Hi Roland, Still no news from Europa on that subject. They keep saying they are investigating the issue with their supplier. In the meantime I have received a set of mounts which seem to be of the same hardness as the original ones. Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464043#464043 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:44 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts From: "Roland" Bonjour et merci, Remi. So I'm probably going to to the same as you - replacing the faulty ones with the old "good" ones and send the new ones to Europa. While we're at it, how many hours did the replacement take you and how did you hoist the engine? Anything to take special care of? I hope that all wires and cables can stay in place. When I changed the rubbermounts the last time I had to install a new engine anyway, so accessibility wasn't an issue back then. Salut Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464044#464044 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:54 AM PST US From: Christoph Both Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts Hello, The easiest way without removing or hoisting the engine is to remove the bolts of one vertical pair of mounts and "swing" the engine out like on a hinge, giving just sufficient room to take out and replace the rubber mounts on the opposite side. Then reinstall and do the other side. I have a classic installation which allows a bit of sideways movement. Christoph Both Europa #223 Wolfville Canada Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2016, at 07:16, Roland wrote: > > > Bonjour et merci, Remi. > > So I'm probably going to to the same as you - replacing the faulty ones with the old "good" ones and send the new ones to Europa. While we're at it, how many hours did the replacement take you and how did you hoist the engine? Anything to take special care of? I hope that all wires and cables can stay in place. > > When I changed the rubbermounts the last time I had to install a new engine anyway, so accessibility wasn't an issue back then. > > Salut > Roland > PH-ZTI > XS TG 914 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464044#464044 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:43 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: Europa-List: Door Hinge Many moons ago someone posted a door strut mechanism that removed all of the spring strut force from the door when it was closed. Does anyone have a link or drawing of the design? Regards Brian Davies ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:09 AM PST US From: "Erich Trombley" Subject: Europa-List: Re: Classic cowls, with XS oil & water radiators? Buy ne Hi David, I did just that. I have a 914 installed with XS engine mount in my monowheel classic with a modified classic cowl. I chose to cut of f the nose of the cowl and extend it to accommodate the 914 and build a doghouse for the XS oil cooler and radiator. The process is really pret ty straight forward. Contact me off list if you would like additional d etails. Regards,Erich TrombleyN28ET David wrote: I have kit 215, a Class ic Tri Gear, with a Rotax 912ULS. It has the Classic cowls ( I actually have 2 sets of them), but the Europa supplied firewall forward kit requi res XS cowls. Folk tell me I must order a set of XS cowls. But is it feasible to mod t he Classic ones? Having been totally absorbed running an engineering business for the las t 30 years, building my 'plane came last in the priorities. Finally I ha ve more time and am making good progress, but I do have a few dumb quest ions that others asked 15+ years back. ____________________________________________________________ How To Remove Eye Bags & Lip Lines Fast (Watch) Womans Weekly http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/58555fbe835d75fbe58b9st03vuc ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:55 AM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Hinge I think I know the one you mean and have a copy but no access to my computer where it's stored. I'll pass it on later. Alan Burrill Sent from my iPad > On 17 Dec 2016, at 13:47, Brian Davies wrote: > > Many moons ago someone posted a door strut mechanism that removed all of t he spring strut force from the door when it was closed. Does anyone have a l ink or drawing of the design? > > Regards > > Brian Davies ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:09 AM PST US From: Pete Jeffers Subject: RE: Europa-List: Door Hinge Hi Alan, If and when you find the details could you copy me in as well. Ta Pete J Happy Christmas =F0=9F=8E=85 -----Original Message----- From: "Alan Burrill" Sent: =8E17/=8E12/=8E2016 16:02 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Hinge I think I know the one you mean and have a copy but no access to my compute r where it's stored. I'll pass it on later. Alan Burrill Sent from my iPad On 17 Dec 2016, at 13:47, Brian Davies wrote: Many moons ago someone posted a door strut mechanism that removed all of t he spring strut force from the door when it was closed. Does anyone have a link or drawing of the design? Regards Brian Davies ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:49 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Classic cowls, with XS oil & water radiators? Buy ne From: "jonathanmilbank" Hi Erich. Curiosity's got the better of me! Any chance of pictures to show the finished result from sides and front? Thanks. Jonathan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464054#464054 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:17 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Classic cowls, with XS oil & water radiators? Buy ne From: "G-ODTW" Thanks Eric, but I now have one of Neville Eyre's cowls on order. -------- David Walters 01474 816817 dave@robotas.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464056#464056 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:23 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Hinge On 2016-12-17, at 13:47, Brian Davies wrote: > Many moons ago someone posted a door strut mechanism that removed all of the spring strut force from the door when it was closed. Does anyone have a link or drawing of the design? Brian - here=99s what I=99ve got relating to Ted Gladstone=99s design. The sketches came from Gerry Cole who wrote: > I attach my sketch of the upper pivot bracket as requested, which may be useful for Europa=99s mod. I=99ve just had a good look round to see if I had a copy of Teds drawing but without success. However I did find my drawing of the lower pivot point machining needed to position the bottom end of the gas strut correctly within the stay. I=99ll attach this in a second email since today Photo Gallery wants to put everything in a cloud if I try to attach both. > Should you want to go with Ted=99s mod he may not mind you contacting him =93 he may still be in the LAA Edinburgh strut. I have his address as 19 Southfield Gardens East, Edinburgh EH15 QN, Tel No 0131 669 7255. He shares (shared?) Europa G-ZTED with Justin Kennedy which has a number of Ted=99s clever mods. And now I=99ve discovered another thread from 2014 which points to: http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.p df So we should have looked on the Europa Club website first! in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:35 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts From: "Roland" Hi Christoph ant thanks for the tip - sounds not that difficult, but accessibility in front of the firewall is not great anyway. I'm confident that I can make it within a few hours with the help of my mechanic. Grsse aus Deutschland :-) Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464059#464059 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:18 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Door Hinge Many thanks Rowland, That is exactly what I was looking for. I did try the Europa Club website first but my search skills failed me. Best regards Brian From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Sent: 17 December 2016 17:35 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Hinge On 2016-12-17, at 13:47, Brian Davies wrote: Many moons ago someone posted a door strut mechanism that removed all of the spring strut force from the door when it was closed. Does anyone have a link or drawing of the design? Brian - here=99s what I=99ve got relating to Ted Gladstone=99s design. The sketches came from Gerry Cole who wrote: I attach my sketch of the upper pivot bracket as requested, which may be useful for Europa=99s mod. I=99ve just had a good look round to see if I had a copy of Teds drawing but without success. However I did find my drawing of the lower pivot point machining needed to position the bottom end of the gas strut correctly within the stay. I=99ll attach this in a second email since today Photo Gallery wants to put everything in a cloud if I try to attach both. Should you want to go with Ted=99s mod he may not mind you contacting him =93 he may still be in the LAA Edinburgh strut. I have his address as 19 Southfield Gardens East, Edinburgh EH15 QN, Tel No 0131 669 7255. He shares (shared?) Europa G-ZTED with Justin Kennedy which has a number of Ted=99s clever mods. And now I=99ve discovered another thread from 2014 which points to: http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod. pdf So we should have looked on the Europa Club website first! in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 12/15/16 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 12/17/16 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:29 AM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Hinge Brian, Pete and Rowland and here is the full mod I downloaded. Alan > On 17 Dec 2016, at 17:34, Rowland Carson wrote: > > On 2016-12-17, at 13:47, Brian Davies > wrote: > >> Many moons ago someone posted a door strut mechanism that removed all of the spring strut force from the door when it was closed. Does anyone have a link or drawing of the design? > > > Brian - here=99s what I=99ve got relating to Ted Gladstone=99s design. > > > The sketches came from Gerry Cole who wrote: > >> I attach my sketch of the upper pivot bracket as requested, which may be useful for Europa=99s mod. I=99ve just had a good look round to see if I had a copy of Teds drawing but without success. However I did find my drawing of the lower pivot point machining needed to position the bottom end of the gas strut correctly within the stay. I=99ll attach this in a second email since today Photo Gallery wants to put everything in a cloud if I try to attach both. >> Should you want to go with Ted=99s mod he may not mind you contacting him =93 he may still be in the LAA Edinburgh strut. I have his address as 19 Southfield Gardens East, Edinburgh EH15 QN, Tel No 0131 669 7255. He shares (shared?) Europa G-ZTED with Justin Kennedy which has a number of Ted=99s clever mods. > > > And now I=99ve discovered another thread from 2014 which points to: > > http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.p df > > So we should have looked on the Europa Club website first! > > in friendship > > Rowland > > http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk > <007.jpg> ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:17 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts From: "Remi Guerner" Roland and Christoph, When I did that work, I first tried to remove the two upper bolts while hoisting the engine to remove most of the load. That did not work as the bolts were sticking to the rubber material. So I decided to proceed as for Mod 72, i.e. moving forward the engine/prop/cooling tunnel. You really need to borrow an hydraulic crane to do that easily. Depending on your installation you may need to disconnect some wiring or/and hoses. I do not know how many hours of labor I spent, but that was probably around 15 hours. Not funny! Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464061#464061 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:15 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts From: "Roland" One more question: last time when we installed the rubber mounts, we managed to compress not only the MT04's but also the MT03 steel-spacers with which to me seemed like a reasonable torque, so that I also had to order new MT03's from Europa. Although the MT04 should be fully compressed on the MT03 spacers I'd like to avoid to again damage the MT03's by overtorquing for obvious reasons. Any suggestions as to how to make it right? The installation manual only states "tightened fully": Note: The 4 AN5-41 mounting bolts must be tightened fully to compress the rubber anti-vibration mounts (MT04) onto the steel spacers (MT03). Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464062#464062 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts From: Rowland Carson On 2016-12-17, at 21:13, Roland wrote: > One more question: last time when we installed the rubber mounts, we managed to compress not only the MT04's but also the MT03 steel-spacers with which to me seemed like a reasonable torque, so that I also had to order new MT03's from Europa. > > Although the MT04 should be fully compressed on the MT03 spacers I'd like to avoid to again damage the MT03's by overtorquing for obvious reasons. > > Any suggestions as to how to make it right? The installation manual only states "tightened fully: Roland - I fitted the rubber mounts not very long ago. Although some effort was required to compress the rubbers, I found that it was relatively easy to feel when the MT02 cup washers came into contact with both ends of the MT03 spacers - there was a distinctly more solid resistance to further tightening. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:20 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Engine rubber mounts From: "Roland" Thank you, Rowland. The problem might have been, that we were two (one turning on the one side and one securing on the other side) and so maybe lacking that feeling for the distinctive resistance you've described. OTOH I wasn't aware, that it's at all possible to deform the MT03 "so easily". 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