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Fri 01/06/17


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 01:54 AM - Re: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners (Greg Fuchs)
     2. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners (Raimo Toivio)
     3. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners (William Daniell)
     4. 08:20 AM - Fw: Re: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners (Raimo Toivio)
     5. 08:36 AM - test (Raimo Toivio)
     6. 09:26 AM - Re: test (JonSmith)
     7. 09:32 AM - Re: test (Jerry Rehn)
     8. 10:19 AM - Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe (graeme bird)
     9. 10:38 AM - Re: test (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
    10. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
    11. 01:47 PM - Re: test (Martin Tuck)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:54:18 AM PST US
    From: "Greg Fuchs " <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners
    ---------- There are a number of pitfalls using any camlock style system. The firewall area at the top is not square. This causes head of the camlock to appear cocked. Because of this, they will leak in the rain. ---------- Interesting problem indeed. Just trying to 'brainstorm' a fix for rain invasion. Possibly thin rubber washers slid up the body of the camlock to the back side of the head? Possibly that might provide a seal? Probably better answers out there than this.. Greg


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    Time: 07:51:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners
    From: Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Greg, thats true. But only when Europa is standing in the rain, never when flying during the rain! Wet panel inside and water around the pedals made me a bit nervous! My solution: - keep always in the hangar during the rain and when this is not possible for example in Fly-Ins, I put nice RWM packing tape one meter over the "camlocks" (in my case only three [3] of them front of the windshield) when rain is expected . Simple, fast, easy, low-cost and effective. Of course this is not a professional solution, but it works very well. You could made a mod preventing water to come, but why in the hell again add some dead weight? Rubber is good, but lets use it in the bed if really necessary. Hope not! If I have not cockpit covers omboard, I tape always also a refueling cap. Just in case! There is a rubber sealing ring but I do not trust it. "Number of pitfalls" ? Please please report them all! There are number of pitfalls when *not* using camlocks or other "fast-remove-cowling-system"! Please loosen your hat... Those of you who are building, I highly recommend to make a quick release system at least for the upper cowling. Those who are flying, just consider to do it. _Just for your safety. _ Cheers, Raimo OH-XRT #417 Finland allekirjoitus <mailto:info@rwm.fi> 6.1.2017, 11:53, Greg Fuchs kirjoitti: > > ---------- > There are a number of pitfalls using any camlock style system. The > firewall area at the top is not square. This causes head of the camlock to > appear cocked. Because of this, they will leak in the rain. > ---------- > > Interesting problem indeed. Just trying to 'brainstorm' a fix for rain > invasion. Possibly thin rubber washers slid up the body of the camlock to > the back side of the head? Possibly that might provide a seal? Probably > better answers out there than this.. > > Greg > >


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    Time: 08:11:12 AM PST US
    From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners
    Some one I forget whom .... maybe graham or perhaps david had a system whereby the top of the top cowl had no holes at all. The top cowling had fixed pins on the inside of the upper cowling which engage with receivers on the firewall about one inch below the cowling lower surface. This was done precisely to avoid water ingress to the panel area. So you can imagine fitting the upper cowling by sliding it backwards to engage the male pins with the female receptacle on the firewall. The rest of the cowling (the join with the lower cowling) was fastened with camlocs if Im not wrong. its hard to describe and Im damned if I can find the picture but this was a discussion on the list around 2014. I thought it was rather an elegant solution which I didnt follow because I want to get flying but I might well retrofit Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote: > Greg, > > that=C2=B4s true. But only when Europa is standing in the rain, never whe n > flying during the rain! > Wet panel inside and water around the pedals made me a bit nervous! > > My solution: > - keep always in the hangar during the rain and when this is not possible > for example in Fly-Ins, I put nice RWM packing tape one meter > over the "camlocks" (in my case only three [3] of them front of the > windshield) when rain is expected . Simple, fast, easy, low-cost and > effective. > Of course this is not a professional solution, but it works very well. > You could made a mod preventing water to come, but why in the hell again > add some dead weight? > > Rubber is good, but let=C2=B4s use it in the bed if really necessary. Hop e not! > > If I have not cockpit covers omboard, I tape always also a refueling cap. > Just in case! > There is a rubber sealing ring but I do not trust it. > > "Number of pitfalls" ? Please please report them all! > There are number of pitfalls when *not* using camlocks or other > "fast-remove-cowling-system"! > > Please loosen your hat... > > Those of you who are building, I highly recommend to make a quick release > system at least for the upper cowling. > Those who are flying, just consider to do it. > > > *Just for your safety. * > > Cheers, > Raimo > OH-XRT #417 > Finland > <info@rwm.fi> > > 6.1.2017, 11:53, Greg Fuchs kirjoitti: > .net> <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net> > > ---------- > There are a number of pitfalls using any camlock style system. The > firewall area at the top is not square. This causes head of the camlock to > appear cocked. Because of this, they will leak in the rain. > ---------- > > Interesting problem indeed. Just trying to 'brainstorm' a fix for rain > invasion. Possibly thin rubber washers slid up the body of the camlock to > the back side of the head? Possibly that might provide a seal? Probably > better answers out there than this.. > > Greg > >


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    Time: 08:20:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners
    From: Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    -------- Vlitetty viesti / Fwd.Msg -------- Aihe: Re: Europa-List: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners Pivys: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 17:50:18 +0200 Lhettj: Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> Vastaanottaja: europa-list@matronics.com Greg, thats true. But only when Europa is standing in the rain, never when flying during the rain! Wet panel inside and water around the pedals made me a bit nervous! My solution: - keep always in the hangar during the rain and when this is not possible for example in Fly-Ins, I put nice RWM packing tape one meter over the "camlocks" (in my case only three [3] of them front of the windshield) when rain is expected . Simple, fast, easy, low-cost and effective. Of course this is not a professional solution, but it works very well. You could made a mod preventing water to come, but why in the hell again add some dead weight? Rubber is good, but lets use it in the bed if really necessary. Hope not! If I have not cockpit covers omboard, I tape always also a refueling cap. Just in case! There is a rubber sealing ring but I do not trust it. "Number of pitfalls" ? Please please report them all! There are number of pitfalls when *not* using camlocks or other "fast-remove-cowling-system"! Please loosen your hat... Those of you who are building, I highly recommend to make a quick release system at least for the upper cowling. Those who are flying, just consider to do it. _Just for your safety. _ Cheers, Raimo OH-XRT #417 Finland allekirjoitus <mailto:info@rwm.fi> 6.1.2017, 11:53, Greg Fuchs kirjoitti: > > ---------- > There are a number of pitfalls using any camlock style system. The > firewall area at the top is not square. This causes head of the camlock to > appear cocked. Because of this, they will leak in the rain. > ---------- > > Interesting problem indeed. Just trying to 'brainstorm' a fix for rain > invasion. Possibly thin rubber washers slid up the body of the camlock to > the back side of the head? Possibly that might provide a seal? Probably > better answers out there than this.. > > Greg > >


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    Time: 08:36:27 AM PST US
    From: Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: test
    test (Am I kicked out from the list?) Raimo <mailto:info@rwm.fi>


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    Time: 09:26:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: test
    From: "JonSmith" <jonsmitheuropa@tiscali.co.uk>
    I can see you "loud and clear" Raimo! (But only just now at 5.00pm UK time) -------- G-TERN Classic Mono Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464779#464779


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    Time: 09:32:34 AM PST US
    From: Jerry Rehn <rehn@rockisland.com>
    Subject: Re: test
    You're coming in loud and clear, Arizona =F0=9F=98=84 Jerry Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 6, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote: > > > test > > (Am I kicked out from the list?) > > Raimo


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    Time: 10:19:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe
    From: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
    A loop round Holland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Orkney's and home looks doable in my timescales; I guess many of you have done it. Any recommendations on stop overs? I have done south of France a couple of times, well at least Toulouse and Biscaros. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis ap, pflarm, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP 5, Aera500 &amp; SD on Nexus, 250 hours &amp; 4 years on the Mono, 880 total g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464782#464782


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    Time: 10:38:07 AM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: Re: test
    Raimo, seems not so. David On 2017-01-06 16:34, Raimo Toivio wrote: > test > > (Am I kicked out from the list?) > > Raimo


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    Time: 12:49:37 PM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe
    Graeme, If you are going that way, Hoganas, ESMH just on the Swedish side of the narrow water between Denmark & Sweden is a great airfield, I think probably the best set up GA airfield I have come across. It has rooms and a kitchen on site and very helpful locals, three grass runways and a splendid fishing port with great seafood restaurant just down the road. That itinery seems a tad ambitious for three days, particularly as it includes Orkneys and Scotland, where Wx is rarely favourable. If you confine yourself to mainland Europe you can generally modify your route as you go along to avoid the worst Wx. We failed to find a single day this last summer when it was suitable to do aDawn to Dusk Challenge visiting all Scottish islands in one day! Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2017-01-06 18:18, graeme bird wrote: > > A loop round Holland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Orkney's and home looks doable in my timescales; I guess many of you have done it. Any recommendations on stop overs? I have done south of France a couple of times, well at least Toulouse and Biscaros. > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis ap, pflarm, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP 5, Aera500 &amp; SD on Nexus, > 250 hours &amp; 4 years on the Mono, 880 total > g(at)gdbmk.co.uk > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464782#464782 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464782#464782 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 01:47:13 PM PST US
    From: Martin Tuck <MJKTuck@cs.com>
    Subject: Re: test
    I see your posts but they always say 'This message has no content'. Others m ust see your posts as they comment on them. Regards Martin Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 6, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote: > > > test > > (Am I kicked out from the list?) > > Raimo




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