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1. 01:54 AM - Re: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners (Greg Fuchs)
2. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners (Raimo Toivio)
3. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners (William Daniell)
4. 08:20 AM - Fw: Re: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners (Raimo Toivio)
5. 08:36 AM - test (Raimo Toivio)
6. 09:26 AM - Re: test (JonSmith)
7. 09:32 AM - Re: test (Jerry Rehn)
8. 10:19 AM - Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe (graeme bird)
9. 10:38 AM - Re: test (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
10. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
11. 01:47 PM - Re: test (Martin Tuck)
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Subject: | Re: CAMLOC Fasteners |
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There are a number of pitfalls using any camlock style system. The
firewall area at the top is not square. This causes head of the camlock to
appear cocked. Because of this, they will leak in the rain.
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Interesting problem indeed. Just trying to 'brainstorm' a fix for rain
invasion. Possibly thin rubber washers slid up the body of the camlock to
the back side of the head? Possibly that might provide a seal? Probably
better answers out there than this..
Greg
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Subject: | Re: CAMLOC Fasteners |
Greg,
thats true. But only when Europa is standing in the rain, never when
flying during the rain!
Wet panel inside and water around the pedals made me a bit nervous!
My solution:
- keep always in the hangar during the rain and when this is not
possible for example in Fly-Ins, I put nice RWM packing tape one meter
over the "camlocks" (in my case only three [3] of them front of the
windshield) when rain is expected . Simple, fast, easy, low-cost and
effective.
Of course this is not a professional solution, but it works very well.
You could made a mod preventing water to come, but why in the hell again
add some dead weight?
Rubber is good, but lets use it in the bed if really necessary. Hope not!
If I have not cockpit covers omboard, I tape always also a refueling
cap. Just in case!
There is a rubber sealing ring but I do not trust it.
"Number of pitfalls" ? Please please report them all!
There are number of pitfalls when *not* using camlocks or other
"fast-remove-cowling-system"!
Please loosen your hat...
Those of you who are building, I highly recommend to make a quick
release system at least for the upper cowling.
Those who are flying, just consider to do it.
_Just for your safety.
_
Cheers,
Raimo
OH-XRT #417
Finland
allekirjoitus <mailto:info@rwm.fi>
6.1.2017, 11:53, Greg Fuchs kirjoitti:
>
> ----------
> There are a number of pitfalls using any camlock style system. The
> firewall area at the top is not square. This causes head of the camlock to
> appear cocked. Because of this, they will leak in the rain.
> ----------
>
> Interesting problem indeed. Just trying to 'brainstorm' a fix for rain
> invasion. Possibly thin rubber washers slid up the body of the camlock to
> the back side of the head? Possibly that might provide a seal? Probably
> better answers out there than this..
>
> Greg
>
>
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Subject: | Re: CAMLOC Fasteners |
Some one I forget whom .... maybe graham or perhaps david had a system
whereby the top of the top cowl had no holes at all. The top cowling had
fixed pins on the inside of the upper cowling which engage with receivers
on the firewall about one inch below the cowling lower surface. This was
done precisely to avoid water ingress to the panel area. So you can
imagine fitting the upper cowling by sliding it backwards to engage the
male pins with the female receptacle on the firewall.
The rest of the cowling (the join with the lower cowling) was fastened with
camlocs if Im not wrong.
its hard to describe and Im damned if I can find the picture but this was a
discussion on the list around 2014. I thought it was rather an elegant
solution which I didnt follow because I want to get flying but I might well
retrofit
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
> Greg,
>
> that=C2=B4s true. But only when Europa is standing in the rain, never whe
n
> flying during the rain!
> Wet panel inside and water around the pedals made me a bit nervous!
>
> My solution:
> - keep always in the hangar during the rain and when this is not possible
> for example in Fly-Ins, I put nice RWM packing tape one meter
> over the "camlocks" (in my case only three [3] of them front of the
> windshield) when rain is expected . Simple, fast, easy, low-cost and
> effective.
> Of course this is not a professional solution, but it works very well.
> You could made a mod preventing water to come, but why in the hell again
> add some dead weight?
>
> Rubber is good, but let=C2=B4s use it in the bed if really necessary. Hop
e not!
>
> If I have not cockpit covers omboard, I tape always also a refueling cap.
> Just in case!
> There is a rubber sealing ring but I do not trust it.
>
> "Number of pitfalls" ? Please please report them all!
> There are number of pitfalls when *not* using camlocks or other
> "fast-remove-cowling-system"!
>
> Please loosen your hat...
>
> Those of you who are building, I highly recommend to make a quick release
> system at least for the upper cowling.
> Those who are flying, just consider to do it.
>
>
> *Just for your safety. *
>
> Cheers,
> Raimo
> OH-XRT #417
> Finland
> <info@rwm.fi>
>
> 6.1.2017, 11:53, Greg Fuchs kirjoitti:
>
.net> <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
>
> ----------
> There are a number of pitfalls using any camlock style system. The
> firewall area at the top is not square. This causes head of the camlock
to
> appear cocked. Because of this, they will leak in the rain.
> ----------
>
> Interesting problem indeed. Just trying to 'brainstorm' a fix for rain
> invasion. Possibly thin rubber washers slid up the body of the camlock to
> the back side of the head? Possibly that might provide a seal? Probably
> better answers out there than this..
>
> Greg
>
>
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Subject: | Re: CAMLOC Fasteners |
-------- Vlitetty viesti / Fwd.Msg --------
Aihe: Re: Europa-List: Re: CAMLOC Fasteners
Pivys: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 17:50:18 +0200
Lhettj: Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Vastaanottaja: europa-list@matronics.com
Greg,
thats true. But only when Europa is standing in the rain, never when
flying during the rain!
Wet panel inside and water around the pedals made me a bit nervous!
My solution:
- keep always in the hangar during the rain and when this is not
possible for example in Fly-Ins, I put nice RWM packing tape one meter
over the "camlocks" (in my case only three [3] of them front of the
windshield) when rain is expected . Simple, fast, easy, low-cost and
effective.
Of course this is not a professional solution, but it works very well.
You could made a mod preventing water to come, but why in the hell again
add some dead weight?
Rubber is good, but lets use it in the bed if really necessary. Hope not!
If I have not cockpit covers omboard, I tape always also a refueling
cap. Just in case!
There is a rubber sealing ring but I do not trust it.
"Number of pitfalls" ? Please please report them all!
There are number of pitfalls when *not* using camlocks or other
"fast-remove-cowling-system"!
Please loosen your hat...
Those of you who are building, I highly recommend to make a quick
release system at least for the upper cowling.
Those who are flying, just consider to do it.
_Just for your safety.
_
Cheers,
Raimo
OH-XRT #417
Finland
allekirjoitus <mailto:info@rwm.fi>
6.1.2017, 11:53, Greg Fuchs kirjoitti:
>
> ----------
> There are a number of pitfalls using any camlock style system. The
> firewall area at the top is not square. This causes head of the camlock to
> appear cocked. Because of this, they will leak in the rain.
> ----------
>
> Interesting problem indeed. Just trying to 'brainstorm' a fix for rain
> invasion. Possibly thin rubber washers slid up the body of the camlock to
> the back side of the head? Possibly that might provide a seal? Probably
> better answers out there than this..
>
> Greg
>
>
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test
(Am I kicked out from the list?)
Raimo
<mailto:info@rwm.fi>
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I can see you "loud and clear" Raimo!
(But only just now at 5.00pm UK time)
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G-TERN
Classic Mono
Read this topic online here:
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You're coming in loud and clear,
Arizona =F0=9F=98=84
Jerry
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 6, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
>
>
> test
>
> (Am I kicked out from the list?)
>
> Raimo
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Subject: | Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe |
A loop round Holland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Orkney's and home looks
doable in my timescales; I guess many of you have done it. Any recommendations
on stop overs? I have done south of France a couple of times, well at least
Toulouse and Biscaros.
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis
ap, pflarm, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP 5, Aera500 & SD on Nexus,
250 hours & 4 years on the Mono, 880 total
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464782#464782
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Raimo, seems not so. David
On 2017-01-06 16:34, Raimo Toivio wrote:
> test
>
> (Am I kicked out from the list?)
>
> Raimo
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Subject: | Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe |
Graeme, If you are going that way, Hoganas, ESMH just on the Swedish
side of the narrow water between Denmark & Sweden is a great airfield, I
think probably the best set up GA airfield I have come across. It has
rooms and a kitchen on site and very helpful locals, three grass runways
and a splendid fishing port with great seafood restaurant just down the
road.
That itinery seems a tad ambitious for three days, particularly as it
includes Orkneys and Scotland, where Wx is rarely favourable. If you
confine yourself to mainland Europe you can generally modify your route
as you go along to avoid the worst Wx. We failed to find a single day
this last summer when it was suitable to do aDawn to Dusk Challenge
visiting all Scottish islands in one day!
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2017-01-06 18:18, graeme bird wrote:
>
> A loop round Holland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Orkney's and home looks
doable in my timescales; I guess many of you have done it. Any recommendations
on stop overs? I have done south of France a couple of times, well at least
Toulouse and Biscaros.
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis
ap, pflarm, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP 5, Aera500 & SD on Nexus,
> 250 hours & 4 years on the Mono, 880 total
> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464782#464782 [1]
>
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I see your posts but they always say 'This message has no content'. Others m
ust see your posts as they comment on them.
Regards
Martin
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 6, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
>
>
> test
>
> (Am I kicked out from the list?)
>
> Raimo
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