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Tue 02/07/17


Total Messages Posted: 9



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     1. 12:15 AM - Re: Ruedi Vogal engine failure! (Richard Iddon)
     2. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
     3. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
     4. 09:28 AM - AW: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe (A. Buess Aviatik)
     5. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
     6. 01:58 PM - Mono-wheel jacking piece (jonathanmilbank)
     7. 02:42 PM - Re: Ruedi Vogal engine failure! (rampil)
     8. 04:30 PM - Grove Undercarraige/Bob Berube - Conventional tail dragger (olayton)
     9. 11:00 PM -  =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Grove_Undercarraige/Bob_Berube_-_Conventional_?= =?utf-8?Q?tail_dragger? ()
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:15:18 AM PST US
    From: Richard Iddon <riddon@sent.com>
    Subject: Re: Ruedi Vogal engine failure!
    Eureka!! Thanks Bud. I think you may have solved a long standing problem I have had with my 912S. After a prolonged climb at full power I often notice some engine roughness and the odd stutter as I level out and pull back the power. It soon smooths out and begins to run nicely again. I have tried a number of things to identify this but I have noticed some sootiness on one of my carb bowls so this may well be the answer. I will try sealing the joint and making a shield. Richard Iddon G-RIXS > On 7 Feb 2017, at 04:15, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: > > I was reading the Europa Flyer on Ruedi Vogal's engine failure in HB-YJF. Excellent airmanship making a safe forced landing. > > By the sounds of the failure, I must bring up a recurring problem with the 912S with XS firewall forward and its exhaust problem. > > I highly suspect an exhaust leak may be another culprit to consider, as with red Aeroquip or Parker fire sleeve, fuel vaporization is rare in the XS cowl with the boost pump on for takeoff. I have had two recent experiences with engine roughness due to exhaust leaks and left to continue the engine would have failed at full power. Exhaust leaks don't show up during initial ground runs. When the engine is cowled up, shortly after takeoff, if the exhaust leak is on either aft cylinder or its downpipe, the exhaust will jet out of the leak onto the float bowl and boil the fuel out of the carb in a very short time. This causes roughness then failure normally not a pure just dead silent engine. > > The post flight analysis usually is seen as small amounts of soot on the carb body or bowl, upon disassembly, the carb may have a sticky lacquer type feel due to the baked fuel residue. It is really frustrating as during any engine roughness emergency we normally do the following: > Aux Boost Pump - On > Fuel selector - switch to unused full tank. > Reduce power-As required to obtain smooth operations. > Land as soon as possible. > This throttle reduction action refills the float bowl at reduced power (as the jet of exhaust is now diminished) and there is no evidence of a boiling incident. Drat. > > > I did a poor job of explaining in my Troubleshooting guide on how to look for and solve an exhaust leak. Look for the tan soot trail out of the junction of the pipe to cylinder head joint or the ball socket at the muffler for sure, but one should also make a heat shield to protect the carb from the possible future exhaust leaks. I am not a fan of the 914 drip tray on the older models we all suffered with, but take the idea from the new tray design for the 914. A simple bent piece of aluminum attached to the foot well will work also. I personally have my clients fab a tray, bolted to an Adel clamp on the engine frame and to the 5mm threaded hole in the cylinder head and shaped to deflect any exhaust leak from the carb and wiring. Crude but effective. > > I apologize for not including this in my miscellaneous ramblings from one night. > > Best Regards, > Bud Yerly


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    Time: 07:40:35 AM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe
    Roland, Am in Austria skiing at present, but will certainly see that this is advertised on the club website when I return, and will happily talk to anyone wanting any practical help or insight into the difficulties (actually the ease of is more appropriate!) of flying to Germany, etc. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2017-01-11 09:01, Roland wrote: > > Hi David and all, > > after reply from Jens I'm pleased to let you know, that all Europa-pilo ts are very welcome at the OUV-summer meeting, which will take place at > > Bad D=C3=83=C2=BCrkheim EDRF from 16th-18th June 2017 > > Mogas is available at EDRF and no landing fees will be charged on arriv al. > > More details will follow (accomodation/camping, restaurants, daytrips.. ..). > > So please save the date by now! And David, please advertise also for th e club-members. > > Regards > Roland > PH-ZTI > XS TG 914 > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464966#464966 [1] > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464966#464966 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 08:08:06 AM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe
    Carl, You may have had most of the answers you need already, but my replies would be: 1. RT is identical the world over for formal ATC services The only exception to that would be that a very few French airfields have a published policy of French only, and you need fairly fluent French for those. However 95%+ (?) and none of the customs airfields are like that so it is most unlikely you will stumble on such an airfield in error. Full details of all french airfields, complete with plates are available on the SIA website (see the club website Flying abroad section) so don't rely on some out of date French Pooleys equivalent! 2. Yes 3. Yes, but once you have landed at one you can carry on throughout Shengen at any airfield until you come to leave Schengen when you should again use a customs airfield. Several trips within last year confirm this. Again consult SIA for up to date info. 4. No only initial port of entry into Schengen. You could incidentally fly right across France without landing and clear customs in Germany or wherever. 5. English rules apply: You need an FPL if crossing an IFR boundary, or if crossing dangerous terrain, like the Alps. The occasional east europe country may still require one for any flight but certainly not France or Germany. You will find that most French and German airfields of any consequence will have computer systems or phone in systems where it is easy , and quick so doing it as you go along is straightforward. Currently skiing but happy to talk over any uncertainties when I return. You will find my number in the club mag Regards David Joyce, trips coordinator. On 2017-02-03 21:44, carlp101 wrote: > > Well. With or without other Europa pilots I'm planning to come. > > I've only familiar with flying in the UK. I have lots of questions. I hope you don't mind. > > 1. Are there any differences in RT procedures in other counties? > 2. Is the handover procedure between counties in Europe the same as between the UK and France? > 3. I assume I have to land at a customs in France before continuing. Is that correct? > 4. Do I have to land at customs in each country? > 5. How many flight plans do I need to file - one end-to-end plan or one per country? > > Perhaps it would be better to chat on the phone? If you email me privately I can send you my contact details. > > All the best. > Carl > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465726#465726 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465726#465726 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 09:28:54 AM PST US
    From: "A. Buess Aviatik" <ykibuess@bluewin.ch>
    Subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe
    As always Switzerland is a special case in the european system: We are a member of the Schengen system, but not member of the EU. That means you have to enter Switzerland via a customs airfield. No hassle, you are very welcome! Regards, Alfred =C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2 =A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8 =C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8 Alfred Buess Europa XS HB-YKI, Ercoupe 415-E N94804 Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Februar 2017 17:08 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Re: Europa-List: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe Carl, You may have had most of the answers you need already, but my replies would be: 1. RT is identical the world over for formal ATC services The only exception to that would be that a very few French airfields have a published policy of French only, and you need fairly fluent French for those. However 95%+ (?) and none of the customs airfields are like that so it is most unlikely you will stumble on such an airfield in error. Full details of all french airfields, complete with plates are available on the SIA website (see the club website Flying abroad section) so don't rely on some out of date French Pooleys equivalent! 2. Yes 3. Yes, but once you have landed at one you can carry on throughout Shengen at any airfield until you come to leave Schengen when you should again use a customs airfield. Several trips within last year confirm this. Again consult SIA for up to date info. 4. No only initial port of entry into Schengen. You could incidentally fly right across France without landing and clear customs in Germany or wherever. 5. English rules apply: You need an FPL if crossing an IFR boundary, or if crossing dangerous terrain, like the Alps. The occasional east europe country may still require one for any flight but certainly not France or Germany. You will find that most French and German airfields of any consequence will have computer systems or phone in systems where it is easy , and quick so doing it as you go along is straightforward. Currently skiing but happy to talk over any uncertainties when I return. You will find my number in the club mag Regards David Joyce, trips coordinator. On 2017-02-03 21:44, carlp101 wrote: <mailto:cparkinson@cisc-uk.com> > Well. With or without other Europa pilots I'm planning to come. I've only familiar with flying in the UK. I have lots of questions. I hope you don't mind. 1. Are there any differences in RT procedures in other counties? 2. Is the handover procedure between counties in Europe the same as between the UK and France? 3. I assume I have to land at a customs in France before continuing. Is that correct? 4. Do I have to land at customs in each country? 5. How many flight plans do I need to file - one end-to-end plan or one per country? Perhaps it would be better to chat on the phone? If you email me privately I can send you my contact details. All the best. Carl Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465726#465726 ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ics.com .com .matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 09:52:08 AM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe
    Carl, I meant to,say FIR boundary of course! David On 2017-02-07 16:07, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > Carl, You may have had most of the answers you need already, but my replies would be: > > 1. RT is identical the world over for formal ATC services The only exception to that would be that a very few French airfields have a published policy of French only, and you need fairly fluent French for those. However 95%+ (?) and none of the customs airfields are like that so it is most unlikely you will stumble on such an airfield in error. Full details of all french airfields, complete with plates are available on the SIA website (see the club website Flying abroad section) so don't rely on some out of date French Pooleys equivalent! > > 2. Yes > > 3. Yes, but once you have landed at one you can carry on throughout Shengen at any airfield until you come to leave Schengen when you should again use a customs airfield. Several trips within last year confirm this. Again consult SIA for up to date info. > > 4. No only initial port of entry into Schengen. You could incidentally fly right across France without landing and clear customs in Germany or wherever. > > 5. English rules apply: You need an FPL if crossing an IFR boundary, or if crossing dangerous terrain, like the Alps. The occasional east europe country may still require one for any flight but certainly not France or Germany. You will find that most French and German airfields of any consequence will have computer systems or phone in systems where it is easy , and quick so doing it as you go along is straightforward. > > Currently skiing but happy to talk over any uncertainties when I return. You will find my number in the club mag > > Regards David Joyce, trips coordinator. > > On 2017-02-03 21:44, carlp101 wrote: > >> >> Well. With or without other Europa pilots I'm planning to come. >> >> I've only familiar with flying in the UK. I have lots of questions. I hope you don't mind. >> >> 1. Are there any differences in RT procedures in other counties? >> 2. Is the handover procedure between counties in Europe the same as between the UK and France? >> 3. I assume I have to land at a customs in France before continuing. Is that correct? >> 4. Do I have to land at customs in each country? >> 5. How many flight plans do I need to file - one end-to-end plan or one per country? >> >> Perhaps it would be better to chat on the phone? If you email me privately I can send you my contact details. >> >> All the best. >> Carl >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465726#465726 [1] >> Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465726#465726 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 01:58:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Mono-wheel jacking piece
    From: "jonathanmilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
    Once upon a time I owned a mono-wheel and flew almost 700 hours in this configuration before I saw the light and converted it to a tri-gear. (Bliss!) Only once did I experience a flat tyre as a mono and was obliged to create a jacking piece. Tim Houlihan's article "International Rescue" in the December 2016 issue of The Europa Flyer brought the flat tyre incident back to mind. My jacking piece didn't require any additional holes to be drilled in the undercarriage swinging arm. Considering the 4 bolt heads which attach the LG07 shock absorber bottom plate to the swinging arm, cut a square from 3/16" steel plate large enough to encompass all 4 bolt heads with a bit of a margin. Drill 4 bolt holes in the square plate to match those in the undercarriage swinging arm. Enlarge the 2 upper holes in the plate enough to allow the bolt heads through. Weld onto the plate a metal pad of any design you think suitable for a trolley jack to lift against. If you want to protect the paint on the swinging arm, glue some thin soft material onto the face of the plate which contacts the swinging arm. Job done! When you want to jack the aircraft up, remove the two lower bolts from the LG07 shock absorber bottom plate and then attach the jacking piece to the swinging arm with the same bolts. I used this device several times over the years to change tyres. I'm still in one piece! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465877#465877


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    Time: 02:42:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ruedi Vogal engine failure!
    From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
    Richard, Make a tray or other effective shield. Do not bother with trying to seal an exhaust joint. Nothing will withstand the 1500F temperatures at full throttle pressure. I was an early victim of this problem in 2004 during my initial test flights. It was Phil Lockwood himself who finally figured this one out and gave us the diagnostic test of soot on the float bowl. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465881#465881


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    Time: 04:30:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Grove Undercarraige/Bob Berube - Conventional tail dragger
    From: "olayton" <otis.f.layton@hotmail.com>
    Hello All, I just picked up a partially assembled SX and it came with the Grove undercarriage option/kit. The Europa is in good shape and seems well put together (not yet on gear or module bonded), but has very limited documentation/instructions and no info on the conventional gear assembly process. I was hoping to find someone on this site that might have some details and or photos/drawings/dimensions regarding this modification. I have found some limited info on this site and others but it is incomplete and not enough to confidently move forward on the install, Anyway thanks in advance and I look forward to learning about this aircraft from you folks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465882#465882


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