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1. 03:10 AM - Re: Re: fastening duct to firewall/footwell (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
2. 03:43 AM - Tailplane retention Layups (Tony Renshaw)
3. 11:15 AM - Position and mounting of EDC-D10A remote compass (jglazener)
4. 11:22 AM - Routing of fuel lines through firewall (jglazener)
5. 11:23 AM - Re: Position and mounting of EDC-D10A remote compass (david park)
6. 11:43 AM - Re: Routing of fuel lines through firewall (jonathanmilbank)
7. 12:38 PM - Re: Position and mounting of EDC-D10A remote compass (Roland)
8. 01:06 PM - Re: Tailplane retention Layups (jonathanmilbank)
9. 01:06 PM - Re: Position and mounting of EDC-D10A remote compass (Christoph Both)
10. 01:44 PM - Re: Routing of fuel lines through firewall (jglazener)
11. 02:08 PM - Re: Tailplane retention Layups (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net)
12. 02:26 PM - Re: Routing of fuel lines through firewall (jonathanmilbank)
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Subject: | Re: fastening duct to firewall/footwell |
RowlandAren't the anchor nuts fitted on the outside surface of the footwell
? In several positions it must be nearly impossible to fit the anchor nuts
in the normal way.Graham
On Friday, 24 February 2017, 23:25, david park <dpark748@icloud.com> wr
ote:
During build do it as in manual.=C2- I was only suggesting a possible may
be better repair if the imbedded anchor nut fails. It will not take much to
rque when tightening bolt? Make sure bolt thread does not reach unthreaded
part when installing.=C2- =C2-
Dave Park
> On 24 Feb 2017, at 22:55, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 2017-02-24, at 22:16, david park <dpark748@icloud.com> wrote:
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>> If the installed fixed nut became loose then the fixed nut could be inst
alled higher up in the footwell conventionally attached to a washer bonded
to the inner footwell wall out of the way of the rudder pedals.
>> A bracket could be attached to the cooling duct to accomodate the new po
sition?
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> Dave - for some reason I did not receive the posting from Jonathan to whi
ch you are replying (yes, I have checked my gmail and local spam folders).
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> His description reveals that I have not understood the manual correctly.
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> I thought the anchor nut was to be fitted on the _cockpit_ face of the fo
otwell inboard side, above the heel support. I see now it is intended to be
fitted lower down (and thus probably further aft to give a longer moment a
rm from the CD4/CD5 brackets) but on the _tunnel_ face of the footwell inbo
ard side (because there is no access to the cockpit side at that level). Th
is of course explains why it has to be flush-fitted.
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> It never occurred to me that it was only held in by the rivets, so could
not take any real load in tension - and its ability to take shear load depe
nds on a good fit in the recess, as well as those rivets.
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> Thanks very much to Jonathan for his good explanation, and to Dave for re
sponding to it, or I=99d never have seen it!
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> in friendship
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> Rowland
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h a 'w' ...
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Subject: | Tailplane retention Layups |
> Gidday,
I would like to ask about whether most people managed to get the BID cloth i
nto the recess on the underside of the tailplanes for Mod 73, Tailplane Rete
ntion? To me it would seem likely people cut the cloth and overlapped it in t
he corners, but my local Europa mentor guru managed to do it without cutting
the plies, twice. I'm anticipating disaster with this layup and wondering a
bout whether those that have gone before me can offer up some sage advice. A
nything gratefully accepted.
Thanks
Tony Renshaw
Sydney, Aussie
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Subject: | Position and mounting of EDC-D10A remote compass |
Looking for advice on how and where to put the remote compass. I understand the
roof behind the doors is the best place, but then the flanges are on the wrong
side. Also the fixation needs to be non magnetic and adjustable. Anyone thought
of an elegant solution to all that?
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Jeroen
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165
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Subject: | Routing of fuel lines through firewall |
The manual says you need to connect the fuel lines to the engine (very useful idea)
but is a bit shy on explaining how. I assume they need to go through the
steel sheeting but I cannot quite visualise how or where. I also assume some sort
of anti-chafing is necessary. Any good suggestions?
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Jeroen
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Subject: | Re: Position and mounting of EDC-D10A remote compass |
This works ok on my panel
Dave Park
> On 25 Feb 2017, at 19:14, jglazener <j.glazener@planet.nl> wrote:
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> Looking for advice on how and where to put the remote compass. I understan
d the roof behind the doors is the best place, but then the flanges are on t
he wrong side. Also the fixation needs to be non magnetic and adjustable. An
yone thought of an elegant solution to all that?
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Subject: | Re: Routing of fuel lines through firewall |
If you decide to pass the fuel lines through the stainless steel firewall, which
is what I did initially 20 years ago, mark a square or a rectangle on the sheet
just big enough for the hose line/s to pass through. Make 2 diagonal cuts
from corner to corner within the rectangle to form an 'X', then fold the 4 points
at the 'X' intersection back on themselves to lie against the sheet. This
will leave the edges smoothly rounded and not able to chafe the hose/s. Fill in
the gaps around and between the hoses with flame retardant silicone.
You should also secure the hose/s on one or both sides of the sheet to prevent
them sliding back and forth through the opening.
In later years I covered the rectangular hole and rerouted the two hoses via gaps
at the top left and right corners of the stainless sheet.
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Subject: | Re: Position and mounting of EDC-D10A remote compass |
Hi Jeroen,
I mounted the Dynon remote compass on a small platform behind the D-panel, using
brass screws. That worked well, since it is far away from any magnetic objects.
Groetjes
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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Subject: | Re: Tailplane retention Layups |
Tony, probably I was the first person to suffer tailplane bush disbonding and that
was before the sad accident which killed two guys in Wales, giving rise to
mod 73 and the mod to strengthen the security of wing root pins. I can't remember
how the lay-ups were done with the bid when I made my own approved repair,
nor when I had to repeat the process on both tailplanes after the mods were
introduced. Too long ago!
One thing became known at that time, which was that some people had enlarged the
tailplane pip-pin recesses to their own requirements to do things like fitting
flush and easily removable covers to the recesses. What this did in some cases
was to increase the distance between the pip-pin head and the recess inboard
sidewall, which would allow the tailplane to migrate off the drive pins if
ever a bush disbonded again.
Being ultra-cautious in such matters, I decided to create another line of defence
by cutting and shaping little pieces of plywood to neatly fit the gap between
the pip-pin heads and inboard sidewalls and bonded them in place with resin+flox.
Thus there is no possibility for the tailplanes to migrate off the drive
pins in the even of a disbond, provided that the pip-pins are in.
To cover over the recesses in the tailplane tops, I use white adhesive tape.
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Subject: | Re: Position and mounting of EDC-D10A remote compass |
I used VELCRO to hold the remote compass. Still there after 400 hrs.
Easy to tweak for Annual.
Christoph Both
#223
Wolfville Nova Scotia, Canada.
On 2017-02-25, 15:14, "owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of jglazener"
<owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of j.glazener@planet.nl>
wrote:
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>Looking for advice on how and where to put the remote compass. I understand the
roof behind the doors is the best place, but then the flanges are on the wrong
side. Also the fixation needs to be non magnetic and adjustable. Anyone thought
of an elegant solution to all that?
>
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>Jeroen
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Subject: | Re: Routing of fuel lines through firewall |
Thanks Jonathan, do you have a photo of that? Rgds, Jeroen
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Jeroen
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Subject: | Re: Tailplane retention Layups |
Tony,
It's entirely possible and not that difficult to get the cloth in to the recess
in one piece.
Trick is to lay in four sides with the cloth weave "square", then work down the
corners by shrinking the cloth in to the corners.
Repeat at a rotational offset of 45 degrees.
Duncan McF.
----Original Message----
From: tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com
Subj: Europa-List: Tailplane retention Layups
Gidday,I would like to ask about whether most people managed to get the BID cloth
into the recess on the underside of the tailplanes for Mod 73, Tailplane Retention?
To me it would seem likely people cut the cloth and overlapped it in
the corners, but my local Europa mentor guru managed to do it without cutting
the plies, twice. I'm anticipating disaster with this layup and wondering about
whether those that have gone before me can offer up some sage advice. Anything
gratefully accepted.ThanksTony RenshawSydney, Aussie
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Subject: | Re: Routing of fuel lines through firewall |
Sorry Jeroen, but I don't have such photographs and I don't possess a camera. I've
never taken photos of my aircraft while I was building it.
I guess that you should make your own plan for routing the fuel hoses to minimise
risk of chafing and to allow for engine movement. Also to avoid passing the
hoses too close to hot engine components.
It seems that most builders make their own plans for such things.
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