---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/02/17: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:32 AM - Re: seat base foam blocks (Brian Davies) 2. 01:57 AM - Re: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit (Brian Davies) 3. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit (Pete) 4. 11:05 AM - Re: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit (Brian Davies) 5. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 6. 02:00 PM - trip with pics (graeme bird) 7. 02:35 PM - Re: trip with pics (Pete) 8. 10:12 PM - Re: Forward white light choice UK (Roland) 9. 10:58 PM - Trailer loan (spcialeffects) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:39 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: seat base foam blocks Ditto! Brian, G-DDBD From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Sent: 01 April 2017 20:51 Subject: Re: Europa-List: seat base foam blocks Rowland, My naked blue foam blocks have survived perfectly for 15 yrs! Don't add unecessary weight! Regards, David, GXSDJ On 2017-04-01 20:03, Rowland Carson wrote: Way back in chapter 17 of the manual, there was a paragraph thus: "Using scrap blue foam, make up spacers to fill the areas each side of the control tunnels, so that a flat surface results for the seat pans" I've carved foam blocks that fit nicely in the recesses but I feel that bare blue foam is a bit prone to damage. I'm inclined to coat each block in a single layer of BID (with flox corners and all that good stuff). Yes, it will add a bit of weight, but I think it might prevent the need to re-make the packing blocks after some time in service. Has anyone else any thoughts about the advisability or otherwise of this course of action? in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ics.com .com .matronics.com/contribution No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/01/17 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:11 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit The Mono vs Trigear debate could go on for ever and there is no clear winner. Here is my take on it for what it is worth. I built my Europa as a Mono. Prior to flying it I had about 15 hours tailwheel experience in a J3 Cub. I would describe myself as only an average pilot who has work to stay sharp and current. I received expert conversion training and then flew some 20 hours of the most challenging and enjoyable kind. I then got too confident and tried to land on tarmac with a 90 degree 5-10 knot crosswind. It got away from me but the runway was 45 metres wide so no real drama. Just as the aircraft was coming to a stop at 90 degrees to the runway heading and with the wind now up my tail I touched the brakes and it tipped on its nose . The cost was three new Airmaster blades and an overhauled hub. It was my fault, not the aircraft. The lesson I learned was- you can never relax with a Mono- you must always keep on top of it. Once you get below a certain speed if you are still out of shape you become a passenger because you have no differential braking to save the day. I considered my situation and decided the Mono was great fun but I wanted to do some European touring and felt I would enjoy it more with a Trigear so I converted. With the speed kit fitted it is probably 5 knots slower but I don=99t notice that. Once in the air I cannot tell the difference between the two configurations. I have never regretted my decision to convert but if asked I would always advise someone building a Mono to go for it and enjoy the challenge. Yes, conversion is much harder than going Tri during the build but handling a Mono is one of those flying experiences that should not be missed. Brian Davies G-DDBD From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: 01 April 2017 23:08 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit Fwiw, I had the generous opportunity to fly with Tim in his fine Mono a few years back, and didn't notice any strange handling issues - in fact he showed me two landings to prove it :) I did't get the impression it was any busier than a normal taildragger either. Thanks again Tim! I had the same observations on my other three mono demo flights. For sure it would have different techniques with the outriggers than a 'normal' taildragger, but nothing that couldn't be easily learned. Up here in canada, the young air cadets train on gliders without disaster. I for sure will build mine as a mono, as the mono's attributes are what attracted me to the plane in the first place, and the entire structure is based on the compact and efficient design. For sure it is less busy on the ground than my short coupled and inadequate tailed hummelbird :-) That said, the tri "gold rush" that is for sale would be the most economical way to get into a europa (the current north american resale values for europas has plummeted, simply due to their sparse numbers, and fickle NA flyers preference to match hole sonex's and RV's). So far i have not yet flown another type that is so beautifully harmonized, stable and yet responsive. DD did his homework well! I still love this design this 19 years after i first did my research. Cheers and blue skies, Pete C-IPWZ (not a europa ;) On Apr 1, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Pete Lawless wrote: Hi Ira I agree totally with Tim. In fact in the last 15 years since my mono has been flying I have never noticed any tendency to tip the nose down on braking regardless of the G of G. You just need soft hands on the ailerons to keep the wings level. If you over control and push the outrigger into the surface then it affects the C of G, unloads the tail wheel and a ground loop is waiting to happen. Having owned a share in a Cub I think the mono is neither harder nor easier just different. Pete G-RMAC #109 On 01/04/17 18:15, houlihan tim wrote: Hi Ira "Prop strikes on Mono's are common". What makes you say that ? In the UK there is no noticeable difference between aircraft insurance premiums for tri gear and mono, which tells you something . Sure if you brake hard while turning you can upset things but the accident rate is very similar for both types. I have had my 912 mono classic flying for 15 years now and yes I broke a prop ( only once) but as I attempted to land rounding out about ten feet too high I blame the pilot (me) not the configuration , indeed in a similar situation a tri gear would not only have damaged the prop but also the nosewheel. Better pilots than me have described the mono as no more difficult to operate than a piper cub, Having only been a passenger in a cub I cannot give an opinion on that. The mono is a tail wheel aeroplane and behaves like one, regards Tim G-BZTH On 01 April 2017 at 17:30 rampil wrote: To further your consideration, the mono wheel also has a spinny thing on the front end which is absent from most gliders. Prop strikes are also common with monowheels. Depending on you CG loading, a tap on the brake might just rock you forward! Fortunately (if one can say that in this context), the combination of carbon fiber prop and Rotax gear box usually prevents expensive engine damage. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467914#467914 > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/01/17 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit From: Pete Interesting example....thx for sharing. Did the tail rise because of downwin d full aft stick? Im confused why you were pointing downwind and not weather -cocked into the wind ( which i would have thought would have ben the planes natural tendency)? Cheers and thx, Pete > On Apr 2, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Brian Davies wrote: > > The Mono vs Trigear debate could go on for ever and there is no clear winn er. Here is my take on it for what it is worth. > > I built my Europa as a Mono. Prior to flying it I had about 15 hours tail wheel experience in a J3 Cub. I would describe myself as only an average pi lot who has work to stay sharp and current. I received expert conversion tra ining and then flew some 20 hours of the most challenging and enjoyable kind . I then got too confident and tried to land on tarmac with a 90 degree 5-1 0 knot crosswind. It got away from me but the runway was 45 metres wide so n o real drama. Just as the aircraft was coming to a stop at 90 degrees to th e runway heading and with the wind now up my tail I touched the brakes and i t tipped on its nose . The cost was three new Airmaster blades and an overh auled hub. It was my fault, not the aircraft. The lesson I learned was- yo u can never relax with a Mono- you must always keep on top of it. Once you g et below a certain speed if you are still out of shape you become a passenge r because you have no differential braking to save the day. > > I considered my situation and decided the Mono was great fun but I wanted t o do some European touring and felt I would enjoy it more with a Trigear so I converted. With the speed kit fitted it is probably 5 knots slower but I d on=99t notice that. Once in the air I cannot tell the difference betw een the two configurations. I have never regretted my decision to convert b ut if asked I would always advise someone building a Mono to go for it and e njoy the challenge. Yes, conversion is much harder than going Tri during th e build but handling a Mono is one of those flying experiences that should n ot be missed. > > Brian Davies G-DDBD > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete > Sent: 01 April 2017 23:08 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit > > Fwiw, I had the generous opportunity to fly with Tim in his fine Mono a fe w years back, and didn't notice any strange handling issues - in fact he sho wed me two landings to prove it :) I did't get the impression it was any bu sier than a normal taildragger either. Thanks again Tim! I had the same ob servations on my other three mono demo flights. For sure it would have diffe rent techniques with the outriggers than a 'normal' taildragger, but nothing that couldn't be easily learned. Up here in canada, the young air cadets t rain on gliders without disaster. I for sure will build mine as a mono, as t he mono's attributes are what attracted me to the plane in the first place, a nd the entire structure is based on the compact and efficient design. For su re it is less busy on the ground than my short coupled and inadequate tailed hummelbird :-) > > That said, the tri "gold rush" that is for sale would be the most economic al way to get into a europa (the current north american resale values for eu ropas has plummeted, simply due to their sparse numbers, and fickle NA flyer s preference to match hole sonex's and RV's). > > So far i have not yet flown another type that is so beautifully harmonized , stable and yet responsive. DD did his homework well! I still love this des ign this 19 years after i first did my research. > > Cheers and blue skies, > Pete > C-IPWZ (not a europa ;) > > On Apr 1, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Pete Lawless wrote: > > Hi Ira > > I agree totally with Tim. In fact in the last 15 years since my mono has b een flying I have never noticed any tendency to tip the nose down on braking regardless of the G of G. > > You just need soft hands on the ailerons to keep the wings level. If you o ver control and push the outrigger into the surface then it affects the C o f G, unloads the tail wheel and a ground loop is waiting to happen. > > Having owned a share in a Cub I think the mono is neither harder nor easie r just different. > > Pete > > G-RMAC #109 > > > On 01/04/17 18:15, houlihan tim wrote: > Hi Ira > > "Prop strikes on Mono's are common". What makes you say that ? > > In the UK there is no noticeable difference between aircraft insurance pre miums for tri gear and mono, which tells you something . > > Sure if you brake hard while turning you can upset things but the accident rate is very similar for both types. > > I have had my 912 mono classic flying for 15 years now and yes I broke a p rop ( only once) but as I attempted to land rounding out about ten feet too h igh I blame the pilot (me) not the configuration , indeed in a similar situa tion a tri gear would not only have damaged the prop but also the nosewheel. > > Better pilots than me have described the mono as no more difficult to oper ate than a piper cub, Having only been a passenger in a cub I cannot give an opinion on that. > > The mono is a tail wheel aeroplane and behaves like one, > > regards > > Tim > > G-BZTH > > > > > > On 01 April 2017 at 17:30 rampil wrote: > > > > To further your consideration, the mono wheel also has a spinny thing > on the front end which is absent from most gliders. Prop strikes are also > common with monowheels. Depending on you CG loading, a tap on > the brake might just rock you forward! Fortunately (if one can say > that in this context), the combination of carbon fiber prop and > Rotax gear box usually prevents expensive engine damage. > > -------- > Ira N224XS > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467914#467914 > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 04/01/17 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:03 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit Yes, the natural tendency started the event but I was late correcting and then over controlled and ended up pointing in the other direction. Not sure why the tail lifted but probably the combination of a tail wind and brakes. Brian From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: 02 April 2017 14:16 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit Interesting example....thx for sharing. Did the tail rise because of downwind full aft stick? Im confused why you were pointing downwind and not weather-cocked into the wind ( which i would have thought would have ben the planes natural tendency)? Cheers and thx, Pete On Apr 2, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Brian Davies wrote: The Mono vs Trigear debate could go on for ever and there is no clear winner. Here is my take on it for what it is worth. I built my Europa as a Mono. Prior to flying it I had about 15 hours tailwheel experience in a J3 Cub. I would describe myself as only an average pilot who has work to stay sharp and current. I received expert conversion training and then flew some 20 hours of the most challenging and enjoyable kind. I then got too confident and tried to land on tarmac with a 90 degree 5-10 knot crosswind. It got away from me but the runway was 45 metres wide so no real drama. Just as the aircraft was coming to a stop at 90 degrees to the runway heading and with the wind now up my tail I touched the brakes and it tipped on its nose . The cost was three new Airmaster blades and an overhauled hub. It was my fault, not the aircraft. The lesson I learned was- you can never relax with a Mono- you must always keep on top of it. Once you get below a certain speed if you are still out of shape you become a passenger because you have no differential braking to save the day. I considered my situation and decided the Mono was great fun but I wanted to do some European touring and felt I would enjoy it more with a Trigear so I converted. With the speed kit fitted it is probably 5 knots slower but I don=99t notice that. Once in the air I cannot tell the difference between the two configurations. I have never regretted my decision to convert but if asked I would always advise someone building a Mono to go for it and enjoy the challenge. Yes, conversion is much harder than going Tri during the build but handling a Mono is one of those flying experiences that should not be missed. Brian Davies G-DDBD From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: 01 April 2017 23:08 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit Fwiw, I had the generous opportunity to fly with Tim in his fine Mono a few years back, and didn't notice any strange handling issues - in fact he showed me two landings to prove it :) I did't get the impression it was any busier than a normal taildragger either. Thanks again Tim! I had the same observations on my other three mono demo flights. For sure it would have different techniques with the outriggers than a 'normal' taildragger, but nothing that couldn't be easily learned. Up here in canada, the young air cadets train on gliders without disaster. I for sure will build mine as a mono, as the mono's attributes are what attracted me to the plane in the first place, and the entire structure is based on the compact and efficient design. For sure it is less busy on the ground than my short coupled and inadequate tailed hummelbird :-) That said, the tri "gold rush" that is for sale would be the most economical way to get into a europa (the current north american resale values for europas has plummeted, simply due to their sparse numbers, and fickle NA flyers preference to match hole sonex's and RV's). So far i have not yet flown another type that is so beautifully harmonized, stable and yet responsive. DD did his homework well! I still love this design this 19 years after i first did my research. Cheers and blue skies, Pete C-IPWZ (not a europa ;) On Apr 1, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Pete Lawless wrote: Hi Ira I agree totally with Tim. In fact in the last 15 years since my mono has been flying I have never noticed any tendency to tip the nose down on braking regardless of the G of G. You just need soft hands on the ailerons to keep the wings level. If you over control and push the outrigger into the surface then it affects the C of G, unloads the tail wheel and a ground loop is waiting to happen. Having owned a share in a Cub I think the mono is neither harder nor easier just different. Pete G-RMAC #109 On 01/04/17 18:15, houlihan tim wrote: Hi Ira "Prop strikes on Mono's are common". What makes you say that ? In the UK there is no noticeable difference between aircraft insurance premiums for tri gear and mono, which tells you something . Sure if you brake hard while turning you can upset things but the accident rate is very similar for both types. I have had my 912 mono classic flying for 15 years now and yes I broke a prop ( only once) but as I attempted to land rounding out about ten feet too high I blame the pilot (me) not the configuration , indeed in a similar situation a tri gear would not only have damaged the prop but also the nosewheel. Better pilots than me have described the mono as no more difficult to operate than a piper cub, Having only been a passenger in a cub I cannot give an opinion on that. The mono is a tail wheel aeroplane and behaves like one, regards Tim G-BZTH On 01 April 2017 at 17:30 rampil wrote: To further your consideration, the mono wheel also has a spinny thing on the front end which is absent from most gliders. Prop strikes are also common with monowheels. Depending on you CG loading, a tap on the brake might just rock you forward! Fortunately (if one can say that in this context), the combination of carbon fiber prop and Rotax gear box usually prevents expensive engine damage. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467914#467914 > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 04/01/17 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/02/17 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:16 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit Brian/Pete, I suspect the explanation is that if you brake whilst turning there is a very strong tendency to ground loop since the C of G is behind the main wheel, which acts like a pivot. A tail wind would aggravate the tendency to ground loop. Once into a ground loop the plane 'trips over',the wheel and touches the outer wing tip on the ground (compressing that outrigger in the process) and also touches the propeller on the ground. The moral is to NEVER EVER brake in a mono unless you are going in a straight line - better to run off the runway in general if you are in that situation where wind or over controlling or whatever has left you turning towards the edge of the runway. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ On 2017-04-02 19:03, Brian Davies wrote: > Yes, the natural tendency started the event but I was late correcting and then over controlled and ended up pointing in the other direction. Not sure why the tail lifted but probably the combination of a tail wind and brakes. > > Brian > > FROM: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] ON BEHALF OF Pete > SENT: 02 April 2017 14:16 > TO: europa-list@matronics.com > SUBJECT: Re: Europa-List: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit > > Interesting example....thx for sharing. Did the tail rise because of downwind full aft stick? Im confused why you were pointing downwind and not weather-cocked into the wind ( which i would have thought would have ben the planes natural tendency)? > > Cheers and thx, > > Pete > > On Apr 2, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Brian Davies wrote: > > The Mono vs Trigear debate could go on for ever and there is no clear winner. Here is my take on it for what it is worth. > > I built my Europa as a Mono. Prior to flying it I had about 15 hours tailwheel experience in a J3 Cub. I would describe myself as only an average pilot who has work to stay sharp and current. I received expert conversion training and then flew some 20 hours of the most challenging and enjoyable kind. I then got too confident and tried to land on tarmac with a 90 degree 5-10 knot crosswind. It got away from me but the runway was 45 metres wide so no real drama. Just as the aircraft was coming to a stop at 90 degrees to the runway heading and with the wind now up my tail I touched the brakes and it tipped on its nose . The cost was three new Airmaster blades and an overhauled hub. It was my fault, not the aircraft. The lesson I learned was- you can never relax with a Mono- you must always keep on top of it. Once you get below a certain speed if you are still out of shape you become a passenger because you have no differential braking to save the day. > > I considered my situation and decided the Mono was great fun but I wanted to do some European touring and felt I would enjoy it more with a Trigear so I converted. With the speed kit fitted it is probably 5 knots slower but I don't notice that. Once in the air I cannot tell the difference between the two configurations. I have never regretted my decision to convert but if asked I would always advise someone building a Mono to go for it and enjoy the challenge. Yes, conversion is much harder than going Tri during the build but handling a Mono is one of those flying experiences that should not be missed. > > Brian Davies G-DDBD > > FROM: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] ON BEHALF OF Pete > SENT: 01 April 2017 23:08 > TO: europa-list@matronics.com > SUBJECT: Re: Europa-List: Re: Considering the purchase of a 2nd hand kit > > Fwiw, I had the generous opportunity to fly with Tim in his fine Mono a few years back, and didn't notice any strange handling issues - in fact he showed me two landings to prove it :) I did't get the impression it was any busier than a normal taildragger either. Thanks again Tim! I had the same observations on my other three mono demo flights. For sure it would have different techniques with the outriggers than a 'normal' taildragger, but nothing that couldn't be easily learned. Up here in canada, the young air cadets train on gliders without disaster. I for sure will build mine as a mono, as the mono's attributes are what attracted me to the plane in the first place, and the entire structure is based on the compact and efficient design. For sure it is less busy on the ground than my short coupled and inadequate tailed hummelbird :-) > > That said, the tri "gold rush" that is for sale would be the most economical way to get into a europa (the current north american resale values for europas has plummeted, simply due to their sparse numbers, and fickle NA flyers preference to match hole sonex's and RV's). > > So far i have not yet flown another type that is so beautifully harmonized, stable and yet responsive. DD did his homework well! I still love this design this 19 years after i first did my research. > > Cheers and blue skies, > > Pete > > C-IPWZ (not a europa ;) > > On Apr 1, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Pete Lawless wrote: > > Hi Ira > > I agree totally with Tim. In fact in the last 15 years since my mono has been flying I have never noticed any tendency to tip the nose down on braking regardless of the G of G. > > You just need soft hands on the ailerons to keep the wings level. If you over control and push the outrigger into the surface then it affects the C of G, unloads the tail wheel and a ground loop is waiting to happen. > > Having owned a share in a Cub I think the mono is neither harder nor easier just different. > > Pete > > G-RMAC #109 > > On 01/04/17 18:15, houlihan tim wrote: > > Hi Ira > > "Prop strikes on Mono's are common". What makes you say that ? > > In the UK there is no noticeable difference between aircraft insurance premiums for tri gear and mono, which tells you something . > > Sure if you brake hard while turning you can upset things but the accident rate is very similar for both types. > > I have had my 912 mono classic flying for 15 years now and yes I broke a prop ( only once) but as I attempted to land rounding out about ten feet too high I blame the pilot (me) not the configuration , indeed in a similar situation a tri gear would not only have damaged the prop but also the nosewheel. > > Better pilots than me have described the mono as no more difficult to operate than a piper cub, Having only been a passenger in a cub I cannot give an opinion on that. > > The mono is a tail wheel aeroplane and behaves like one, > > regards > > Tim > > G-BZTH > > On 01 April 2017 at 17:30 rampil wrote: > > > To further your consideration, the mono wheel also has a spinny thing > on the front end which is absent from most gliders. Prop strikes are also > common with monowheels. Depending on you CG loading, a tap on > the brake might just rock you forward! Fortunately (if one can say > that in this context), the combination of carbon fiber prop and > Rotax gear box usually prevents expensive engine damage. > > -------- > Ira N224XS > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467914#467914 [1] > >> No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com [2] Version: 04/01/17 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com [2] Version: 04/02/17 Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467914#467914 [2] http://www.avg.com/email-signature ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:47 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: trip with pics From: "graeme bird" just in case anyone is interested; Lee on Solent - don't know why I haven't dropped in there before https://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=103660 -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis ap, pflarm, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500 & SD on Nexus, 280 hours & 5 years on the Mono, 900 total g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467961#467961 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: trip with pics From: Pete Great pics! Nice to be able to sail in april :-) Pity you don't have any gopro type video of your trips....would be truly motivational :) Cheers and thx for posting, Pete > On Apr 2, 2017, at 4:56 PM, graeme bird wrote: > > > just in case anyone is interested; Lee on Solent - don't know why I haven't dropped in there before > https://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=103660 > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis ap, pflarm, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500 & SD on Nexus, > 280 hours & 5 years on the Mono, 900 total > g(at)gdbmk.co.uk > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467961#467961 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:41 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Forward white light choice UK From: "Roland" Hello Dave, my trailer is commercial built http://www.anschau.de/english-version/ Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467979#467979 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:22 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Trailer loan From: "spcialeffects" Hello all. I will have to move my aircraft soon to take it to get the interior fitted but have no means of moving it. Is there anyone in the Kent area who has an enclosed trailer they wouldn't mind loaning me? 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