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1. 03:02 AM - Trig TY91 (Richard Iddon)
2. 03:22 AM - Re: Trig TY91 (Pete Lawless)
3. 05:01 AM - Re: Trig TY91 (Brian Davies)
4. 09:16 AM - Re: Trig TY91 (Pete)
5. 10:02 AM - New Europa Builder (n7188u)
6. 10:36 AM - Re: Trig TY91 (Richard Iddon)
7. 10:49 AM - Re: New Europa Builder (William Daniell)
8. 11:05 AM - 912ULS Carb drip trays (Richard Iddon)
9. 12:24 PM - AW: 912ULS Carb drip trays (A. Buess Aviatik)
10. 12:29 PM - AW: Trig TY91 (A. Buess Aviatik)
11. 12:34 PM - Re: New Europa Builder (rampil)
12. 12:40 PM - Re: 912ULS Carb drip trays (rampil)
13. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: 912ULS Carb drip trays (Richard Iddon)
14. 01:08 PM - Fuel UL91 question for UK or European pilots (jonathanmilbank)
15. 01:15 PM - Re: Fuel UL91 question for UK or European pilots (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
16. 01:35 PM - Re: New Europa Builder (n7188u)
17. 01:43 PM - Re: Fuel UL91 question for UK or European pilots (jonathanmilbank)
18. 11:40 PM - Re: 912ULS Carb drip trays (Alfred Buess)
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I am just about to finally bite the bullet and order an 8.33 mhz radio. I currently
have a Microair 760 and favour the Trig TY91 as a direct replacement. Has
anyone made the transition from Microair to Trig TY91? If so what are the pitfalls
to beware of. From trawling the web I see that Bournemouth Avionics seem
to be offering the Trig at a good price. Anyone used this company?
Richard Iddon.
G-RIXS
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Hi Richard
Made the change 12 months ago. Excellent choice and having the ability
to listen on 2 frequencies at the same time is really useful.
Only issue with the install was that I had to run a third wire to the
headset jacks. Bit of a pain as my headset jacks are in the rear roof
panel. This may have been required because the original installation
used a separate intercom, which has now been removed.
No knowledge of Bournemouth Avionics.
Regards
Pete
G-RMAC Europa #109
On 10/04/17 11:00, Richard Iddon wrote:
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> I am just about to finally bite the bullet and order an 8.33 mhz radio. I currently
have a Microair 760 and favour the Trig TY91 as a direct replacement. Has
anyone made the transition from Microair to Trig TY91? If so what are the pitfalls
to beware of. From trawling the web I see that Bournemouth Avionics seem
to be offering the Trig at a good price. Anyone used this company?
>
> Richard Iddon.
>
> G-RIXS
>
>
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Hi Richard
The pitfalls depend on the existing configuration and your intentions. As
you know the Trig has a good built in intercom so no need to worry about
getting connection to an existing Intercom right. The biggest complication
I came across with an existing installation without an intercom is that many
PTT switches are simply wired in parallel. The TY91 has a priority circuit
so that if both crew try to transmit at the same time it gives P1 override
powers. This means the PTT switches have to be separately wired. Not a
problem electrically but often a pain because of the access to the stick
wiring. If you intend to keep your existing intercom the Trig wiring
diagrams helpfully explain the connection requirements for a small range of
intercoms. If yours is not on the list you are on your own but gives you
the general idea. Trig themselves are very helpful if you hit any
installation snags.
The TY91 has a separate control head so that you can mount the main unit in
a supplied tray anywhere that is convenient. This is OK with a new
installation but finding somewhere to mount it on a Europa is a bit of a
puzzle and can involve lots of wiring changes because of the physical
location of the main unit being very different to the standard fit on the
panel.
Mendelsons normally offer to make a loom for you but current demand
precludes that unless you are prepared to wait a long time. They will,
however, supply the wiring in lengths you want FOC.
Good luck!
Brian G-DDBD
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Subject: Europa-List: Trig TY91
I am just about to finally bite the bullet and order an 8.33 mhz radio. I
currently have a Microair 760 and favour the Trig TY91 as a direct
replacement. Has anyone made the transition from Microair to Trig TY91? If
so what are the pitfalls to beware of. From trawling the web I see that
Bournemouth Avionics seem to be offering the Trig at a good price. Anyone
used this company?
Richard Iddon.
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My ty91 is awesome. No issues, excellent radio
Cheers,
Pete
> On Apr 10, 2017, at 6:00 AM, Richard Iddon <riddon@sent.com> wrote:
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>
> I am just about to finally bite the bullet and order an 8.33 mhz radio. I currently
have a Microair 760 and favour the Trig TY91 as a direct replacement. Has
anyone made the transition from Microair to Trig TY91? If so what are the pitfalls
to beware of. From trawling the web I see that Bournemouth Avionics seem
to be offering the Trig at a good price. Anyone used this company?
>
> Richard Iddon.
>
> G-RIXS
>
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Subject: | New Europa Builder |
Hello Europa Builders Group,
So I ended up buying kit A291. The poor thing really deserved to be built after
all the sweat and tears Marty put in it and I am happy to help continue this
project.
Speaking of Marty, he and his wife are the most wonderful people I have ever met.
Despite the fact that I am sure Marty is sad he couldn't complete the build
and he had to see a total stranger take it away, he and his wife invited me and
my son to their house, gave us lunch and Marty gave me everything else he had
for this kit (and tons of advice). All this with a huge smile and continuously
offering to help.
I am going to make sure I keep him in the loop by posting updates and pictures
of the project. And a flight once it's done for sure!!
So right now it is in my hangar and I am going through inventory. Not an easy task
because I haven't been able to really find a detailed list of what's in the
kit. I got the spreadsheet from a forum member but will need to see if this
is really a complete inventory or a list of what someone had in their workshop
during construction.
But so far I have been able to find everything I wanted to find. So I should be
in good shape.
I hope I don't drive people crazy with my questions. I am an somewhat experienced
composite builder (building a Cozy IV) and there are a good number of very
experienced builders in my community but I love to be a part of the type forums
and tend to tap a lot into the collective knowledge (after searching of course).
In terms of introduction, I am a 50ish Engineer (Mechanical and Electrical, Medical
Devices) and a Pilot (ATP, CFI, A&P, with a short stint flying regional jets
for American Eagle before I ran out of money and had to go back to Engineering).
I live in a Fly-In community in FL and own a LongEZ and a Kolb Firestar.
Used to own an old Mooney I restored before the darn thing became too expensive
to keep).
So with that said, looking forward to meeting you guys through this forum and perhaps
in person.
Regards,
Chris Martin
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Hmm! Installation could be a problem then. I fitted a Trig transponder a while
ago and struggled to find a place for the main unit for that. Anyone got any other
recommendations for a one piece radio which will fit in my existing 2 1/4
inch hole. I already have an intercom. I note Mendelssohns offer FUNKE and Dittel
which would appear to do the job. Any feedback on these units?
Richard Iddon
G-RIXS
> On 10 Apr 2017, at 13:00, Brian Davies <brian.davies@clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Richard
>
> The pitfalls depend on the existing configuration and your intentions. As
> you know the Trig has a good built in intercom so no need to worry about
> getting connection to an existing Intercom right. The biggest complication
> I came across with an existing installation without an intercom is that many
> PTT switches are simply wired in parallel. The TY91 has a priority circuit
> so that if both crew try to transmit at the same time it gives P1 override
> powers. This means the PTT switches have to be separately wired. Not a
> problem electrically but often a pain because of the access to the stick
> wiring. If you intend to keep your existing intercom the Trig wiring
> diagrams helpfully explain the connection requirements for a small range of
> intercoms. If yours is not on the list you are on your own but gives you
> the general idea. Trig themselves are very helpful if you hit any
> installation snags.
>
> The TY91 has a separate control head so that you can mount the main unit in
> a supplied tray anywhere that is convenient. This is OK with a new
> installation but finding somewhere to mount it on a Europa is a bit of a
> puzzle and can involve lots of wiring changes because of the physical
> location of the main unit being very different to the standard fit on the
> panel.
>
> Mendelsons normally offer to make a loom for you but current demand
> precludes that unless you are prepared to wait a long time. They will,
> however, supply the wiring in lengths you want FOC.
>
>
> Good luck!
>
> Brian G-DDBD
>
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> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon
> Sent: 10 April 2017 11:01
> To: Europa Forum
> Subject: Europa-List: Trig TY91
>
>
> I am just about to finally bite the bullet and order an 8.33 mhz radio. I
> currently have a Microair 760 and favour the Trig TY91 as a direct
> replacement. Has anyone made the transition from Microair to Trig TY91? If
> so what are the pitfalls to beware of. From trawling the web I see that
> Bournemouth Avionics seem to be offering the Trig at a good price. Anyone
> used this company?
>
> Richard Iddon.
>
> G-RIXS
>
>
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Subject: | Re: New Europa Builder |
welcome. The forum is immensely useful
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:02 PM, n7188u <chmgarb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Europa Builders Group,
>
> So I ended up buying kit A291. The poor thing really deserved to be built
> after all the sweat and tears Marty put in it and I am happy to help
> continue this project.
>
> Speaking of Marty, he and his wife are the most wonderful people I have
> ever met. Despite the fact that I am sure Marty is sad he couldn't complete
> the build and he had to see a total stranger take it away, he and his wife
> invited me and my son to their house, gave us lunch and Marty gave me
> everything else he had for this kit (and tons of advice). All this with a
> huge smile and continuously offering to help.
>
> I am going to make sure I keep him in the loop by posting updates and
> pictures of the project. And a flight once it's done for sure!!
>
> So right now it is in my hangar and I am going through inventory. Not an
> easy task because I haven't been able to really find a detailed list of
> what's in the kit. I got the spreadsheet from a forum member but will need
> to see if this is really a complete inventory or a list of what someone had
> in their workshop during construction.
>
> But so far I have been able to find everything I wanted to find. So I
> should be in good shape.
>
> I hope I don't drive people crazy with my questions. I am an somewhat
> experienced composite builder (building a Cozy IV) and there are a good
> number of very experienced builders in my community but I love to be a part
> of the type forums and tend to tap a lot into the collective knowledge
> (after searching of course).
>
> In terms of introduction, I am a 50ish Engineer (Mechanical and
> Electrical, Medical Devices) and a Pilot (ATP, CFI, A&P, with a short stint
> flying regional jets for American Eagle before I ran out of money and had
> to go back to Engineering). I live in a Fly-In community in FL and own a
> LongEZ and a Kolb Firestar. Used to own an old Mooney I restored before the
> darn thing became too expensive to keep).
>
> So with that said, looking forward to meeting you guys through this forum
> and perhaps in person.
>
> Regards,
> Chris Martin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468242#468242
>
>
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Subject: | 912ULS Carb drip trays |
Next question! I would like to fit a pair of drip trays under the carbs on my 912ULS
to protect the carbs from the heat from the exhaust. It looks very tight
under there, especially on the starboard side close to the starter motor. Can
anyone reassure me that they will fit OK before I order them? I do have the
Rotax carb heaters fitted also.
Richard Iddon
G-RIXS
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Subject: | 912ULS Carb drip trays |
Richard,
I have also a 912ULS with the Skydrive carb heaters. The drip trays fit. The
original Rotax mount didn't go with this setup and I had to make my own
attachment - no real problem. If you like I could send you some pictures.
Regards, Alfred
Alfred Buess
CH-3700 Spiez, Switzerland
Europa XS HB-YKI, Ercoupe 415-E N94804
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Betreff: Europa-List: 912ULS Carb drip trays
Next question! I would like to fit a pair of drip trays under the carbs on
my 912ULS to protect the carbs from the heat from the exhaust. It looks
very tight under there, especially on the starboard side close to the
starter motor. Can anyone reassure me that they will fit OK before I order
them? I do have the Rotax carb heaters fitted also.
Richard Iddon
G-RIXS
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Richard,
I have the Dittel KRT2 radio connected to a Flightcom 403d intercom - works
fine so far.
Regards, Alfred
Alfred Buess
CH-3700 Spiez, Switzerland
Europa XS HB-YKI, Ercoupe 415-E N94804
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Gesendet: Montag, 10. April 2017 19:35
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Betreff: Re: Europa-List: Trig TY91
Hmm! Installation could be a problem then. I fitted a Trig transponder a
while ago and struggled to find a place for the main unit for that. Anyone
got any other recommendations for a one piece radio which will fit in my
existing 2 1/4 inch hole. I already have an intercom. I note Mendelssohns
offer FUNKE and Dittel which would appear to do the job. Any feedback on
these units?
Richard Iddon
G-RIXS
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Subject: | Re: New Europa Builder |
Hi Chris,
Welcome to Europa world!
Ira builder/owner hA224
Somewhere south of KATL
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Subject: | Re: 912ULS Carb drip trays |
They will not fit if you have the Skydrive carb heat blocks installed
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Ira N224XS
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Subject: | Re: 912ULS Carb drip trays |
OK, I am slightly confused. Alfred says that they will fit but Ira says not. The
drip trays I am looking at are the bowl shaped cast aluminium ones. They mount
between the inlet manifold and the rubber flange that the carbs bolt to. Maybe
there are other alternatives.
Richard G-RIXS
> On 10 Apr 2017, at 20:39, rampil <ira.rampil@gmail.com> wrote:
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> They will not fit if you have the Skydrive carb heat blocks installed
>
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Subject: | Fuel UL91 question for UK or European pilots |
One of my friends who shares my aircraft will be taking it away for 2 weeks, to
an airfield where UL91 is on tap while mogas needs to be fetched in jerry cans.
Does anybody out there know of any issues with UL91, i.e. will it degrade the "Tupperware"
plastic fuel tank? Nev Eyre states "No one knows for certain long
term. Not seen any failures attributed to it."
I have considered using it myself if ever I go touring, but never contemplated
using it exclusively for a long period.
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Subject: | Re: Fuel UL91 question for UK or European pilots |
Jonathan, I have used UL91 ever since it became available at Gloucester,
and without any modification to my Rotax systems. It is approved for a
range of Rotax engines and IMHO is a more reliable entity than Mogas,
which can vary considerably in its contents. On top of that it works v
nicely on my 914
Regards, David Joyce GXSDJ
On 2017-04-10 21:07, jonathanmilbank wrote:
>
> One of my friends who shares my aircraft will be taking it away for 2 weeks,
to an airfield where UL91 is on tap while mogas needs to be fetched in jerry cans.
>
> Does anybody out there know of any issues with UL91, i.e. will it degrade the
"Tupperware" plastic fuel tank? Nev Eyre states "No one knows for certain long
term. Not seen any failures attributed to it."
>
> I have considered using it myself if ever I go touring, but never contemplated
using it exclusively for a long period.
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468255#468255 [1]
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Subject: | Re: New Europa Builder |
Couple pictures of the pickup adventure.
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Subject: | Re: Fuel UL91 question for UK or European pilots |
David. Thanks for the quick and encouraging response. I've advised my friend to
go ahead and use it whenever he likes.
To everyone else and as a complete aside, I've done about 10 hours flying since
completing the installation of Neville Eyre's cowls and engine frame to replace
the Classic set-up. I couldn't be more pleased with my investment of money
and time. No performance loss, no more hot starting problems, no great difficulty
taking off with a strong left crosswind. Many compliments at the change in
appearance and improved fuel consumption to boot!
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Subject: | Re: 912ULS Carb drip trays |
Richard,
There are indeed two different types of Rotax drip trays. I have the flat version
that Rotax sold with their airbox. I don't know if they sell it separatly.
See the attached pictures.
Regards, Alfred
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