---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/10/17: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:02 AM - Trig TY91 (Richard Iddon) 2. 03:22 AM - Re: Trig TY91 (Pete Lawless) 3. 05:01 AM - Re: Trig TY91 (Brian Davies) 4. 09:16 AM - Re: Trig TY91 (Pete) 5. 10:02 AM - New Europa Builder (n7188u) 6. 10:36 AM - Re: Trig TY91 (Richard Iddon) 7. 10:49 AM - Re: New Europa Builder (William Daniell) 8. 11:05 AM - 912ULS Carb drip trays (Richard Iddon) 9. 12:24 PM - AW: 912ULS Carb drip trays (A. Buess Aviatik) 10. 12:29 PM - AW: Trig TY91 (A. Buess Aviatik) 11. 12:34 PM - Re: New Europa Builder (rampil) 12. 12:40 PM - Re: 912ULS Carb drip trays (rampil) 13. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: 912ULS Carb drip trays (Richard Iddon) 14. 01:08 PM - Fuel UL91 question for UK or European pilots (jonathanmilbank) 15. 01:15 PM - Re: Fuel UL91 question for UK or European pilots (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 16. 01:35 PM - Re: New Europa Builder (n7188u) 17. 01:43 PM - Re: Fuel UL91 question for UK or European pilots (jonathanmilbank) 18. 11:40 PM - Re: 912ULS Carb drip trays (Alfred Buess) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:17 AM PST US From: Richard Iddon Subject: Europa-List: Trig TY91 I am just about to finally bite the bullet and order an 8.33 mhz radio. I currently have a Microair 760 and favour the Trig TY91 as a direct replacement. Has anyone made the transition from Microair to Trig TY91? If so what are the pitfalls to beware of. From trawling the web I see that Bournemouth Avionics seem to be offering the Trig at a good price. Anyone used this company? Richard Iddon. G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trig TY91 From: Pete Lawless Hi Richard Made the change 12 months ago. Excellent choice and having the ability to listen on 2 frequencies at the same time is really useful. Only issue with the install was that I had to run a third wire to the headset jacks. Bit of a pain as my headset jacks are in the rear roof panel. This may have been required because the original installation used a separate intercom, which has now been removed. No knowledge of Bournemouth Avionics. Regards Pete G-RMAC Europa #109 On 10/04/17 11:00, Richard Iddon wrote: > > I am just about to finally bite the bullet and order an 8.33 mhz radio. I currently have a Microair 760 and favour the Trig TY91 as a direct replacement. Has anyone made the transition from Microair to Trig TY91? If so what are the pitfalls to beware of. From trawling the web I see that Bournemouth Avionics seem to be offering the Trig at a good price. Anyone used this company? > > Richard Iddon. > > G-RIXS > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:34 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trig TY91 Hi Richard The pitfalls depend on the existing configuration and your intentions. As you know the Trig has a good built in intercom so no need to worry about getting connection to an existing Intercom right. The biggest complication I came across with an existing installation without an intercom is that many PTT switches are simply wired in parallel. The TY91 has a priority circuit so that if both crew try to transmit at the same time it gives P1 override powers. This means the PTT switches have to be separately wired. Not a problem electrically but often a pain because of the access to the stick wiring. If you intend to keep your existing intercom the Trig wiring diagrams helpfully explain the connection requirements for a small range of intercoms. If yours is not on the list you are on your own but gives you the general idea. Trig themselves are very helpful if you hit any installation snags. The TY91 has a separate control head so that you can mount the main unit in a supplied tray anywhere that is convenient. This is OK with a new installation but finding somewhere to mount it on a Europa is a bit of a puzzle and can involve lots of wiring changes because of the physical location of the main unit being very different to the standard fit on the panel. Mendelsons normally offer to make a loom for you but current demand precludes that unless you are prepared to wait a long time. They will, however, supply the wiring in lengths you want FOC. Good luck! Brian G-DDBD -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Sent: 10 April 2017 11:01 Subject: Europa-List: Trig TY91 I am just about to finally bite the bullet and order an 8.33 mhz radio. I currently have a Microair 760 and favour the Trig TY91 as a direct replacement. Has anyone made the transition from Microair to Trig TY91? If so what are the pitfalls to beware of. From trawling the web I see that Bournemouth Avionics seem to be offering the Trig at a good price. Anyone used this company? Richard Iddon. G-RIXS --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:28 AM PST US From: Pete Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trig TY91 My ty91 is awesome. No issues, excellent radio Cheers, Pete > On Apr 10, 2017, at 6:00 AM, Richard Iddon wrote: > > > I am just about to finally bite the bullet and order an 8.33 mhz radio. I currently have a Microair 760 and favour the Trig TY91 as a direct replacement. Has anyone made the transition from Microair to Trig TY91? If so what are the pitfalls to beware of. From trawling the web I see that Bournemouth Avionics seem to be offering the Trig at a good price. Anyone used this company? > > Richard Iddon. > > G-RIXS > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:55 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: New Europa Builder From: "n7188u" Hello Europa Builders Group, So I ended up buying kit A291. The poor thing really deserved to be built after all the sweat and tears Marty put in it and I am happy to help continue this project. Speaking of Marty, he and his wife are the most wonderful people I have ever met. Despite the fact that I am sure Marty is sad he couldn't complete the build and he had to see a total stranger take it away, he and his wife invited me and my son to their house, gave us lunch and Marty gave me everything else he had for this kit (and tons of advice). All this with a huge smile and continuously offering to help. I am going to make sure I keep him in the loop by posting updates and pictures of the project. And a flight once it's done for sure!! So right now it is in my hangar and I am going through inventory. Not an easy task because I haven't been able to really find a detailed list of what's in the kit. I got the spreadsheet from a forum member but will need to see if this is really a complete inventory or a list of what someone had in their workshop during construction. But so far I have been able to find everything I wanted to find. So I should be in good shape. I hope I don't drive people crazy with my questions. I am an somewhat experienced composite builder (building a Cozy IV) and there are a good number of very experienced builders in my community but I love to be a part of the type forums and tend to tap a lot into the collective knowledge (after searching of course). In terms of introduction, I am a 50ish Engineer (Mechanical and Electrical, Medical Devices) and a Pilot (ATP, CFI, A&P, with a short stint flying regional jets for American Eagle before I ran out of money and had to go back to Engineering). I live in a Fly-In community in FL and own a LongEZ and a Kolb Firestar. Used to own an old Mooney I restored before the darn thing became too expensive to keep). So with that said, looking forward to meeting you guys through this forum and perhaps in person. Regards, Chris Martin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468242#468242 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:25 AM PST US From: Richard Iddon Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trig TY91 Hmm! Installation could be a problem then. I fitted a Trig transponder a while ago and struggled to find a place for the main unit for that. Anyone got any other recommendations for a one piece radio which will fit in my existing 2 1/4 inch hole. I already have an intercom. I note Mendelssohns offer FUNKE and Dittel which would appear to do the job. Any feedback on these units? Richard Iddon G-RIXS > On 10 Apr 2017, at 13:00, Brian Davies wrote: > > > Hi Richard > > The pitfalls depend on the existing configuration and your intentions. As > you know the Trig has a good built in intercom so no need to worry about > getting connection to an existing Intercom right. The biggest complication > I came across with an existing installation without an intercom is that many > PTT switches are simply wired in parallel. The TY91 has a priority circuit > so that if both crew try to transmit at the same time it gives P1 override > powers. This means the PTT switches have to be separately wired. Not a > problem electrically but often a pain because of the access to the stick > wiring. If you intend to keep your existing intercom the Trig wiring > diagrams helpfully explain the connection requirements for a small range of > intercoms. If yours is not on the list you are on your own but gives you > the general idea. Trig themselves are very helpful if you hit any > installation snags. > > The TY91 has a separate control head so that you can mount the main unit in > a supplied tray anywhere that is convenient. This is OK with a new > installation but finding somewhere to mount it on a Europa is a bit of a > puzzle and can involve lots of wiring changes because of the physical > location of the main unit being very different to the standard fit on the > panel. > > Mendelsons normally offer to make a loom for you but current demand > precludes that unless you are prepared to wait a long time. They will, > however, supply the wiring in lengths you want FOC. > > > Good luck! > > Brian G-DDBD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon > Sent: 10 April 2017 11:01 > To: Europa Forum > Subject: Europa-List: Trig TY91 > > > I am just about to finally bite the bullet and order an 8.33 mhz radio. I > currently have a Microair 760 and favour the Trig TY91 as a direct > replacement. Has anyone made the transition from Microair to Trig TY91? If > so what are the pitfalls to beware of. From trawling the web I see that > Bournemouth Avionics seem to be offering the Trig at a good price. Anyone > used this company? > > Richard Iddon. > > G-RIXS > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:38 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: New Europa Builder welcome. The forum is immensely useful Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:02 PM, n7188u wrote: > > Hello Europa Builders Group, > > So I ended up buying kit A291. The poor thing really deserved to be built > after all the sweat and tears Marty put in it and I am happy to help > continue this project. > > Speaking of Marty, he and his wife are the most wonderful people I have > ever met. Despite the fact that I am sure Marty is sad he couldn't complete > the build and he had to see a total stranger take it away, he and his wife > invited me and my son to their house, gave us lunch and Marty gave me > everything else he had for this kit (and tons of advice). All this with a > huge smile and continuously offering to help. > > I am going to make sure I keep him in the loop by posting updates and > pictures of the project. And a flight once it's done for sure!! > > So right now it is in my hangar and I am going through inventory. Not an > easy task because I haven't been able to really find a detailed list of > what's in the kit. I got the spreadsheet from a forum member but will need > to see if this is really a complete inventory or a list of what someone had > in their workshop during construction. > > But so far I have been able to find everything I wanted to find. So I > should be in good shape. > > I hope I don't drive people crazy with my questions. I am an somewhat > experienced composite builder (building a Cozy IV) and there are a good > number of very experienced builders in my community but I love to be a part > of the type forums and tend to tap a lot into the collective knowledge > (after searching of course). > > In terms of introduction, I am a 50ish Engineer (Mechanical and > Electrical, Medical Devices) and a Pilot (ATP, CFI, A&P, with a short stint > flying regional jets for American Eagle before I ran out of money and had > to go back to Engineering). I live in a Fly-In community in FL and own a > LongEZ and a Kolb Firestar. Used to own an old Mooney I restored before the > darn thing became too expensive to keep). > > So with that said, looking forward to meeting you guys through this forum > and perhaps in person. > > Regards, > Chris Martin > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468242#468242 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:58 AM PST US From: Richard Iddon Subject: Europa-List: 912ULS Carb drip trays Next question! I would like to fit a pair of drip trays under the carbs on my 912ULS to protect the carbs from the heat from the exhaust. It looks very tight under there, especially on the starboard side close to the starter motor. Can anyone reassure me that they will fit OK before I order them? I do have the Rotax carb heaters fitted also. Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:09 PM PST US From: "A. Buess Aviatik" Subject: AW: Europa-List: 912ULS Carb drip trays Richard, I have also a 912ULS with the Skydrive carb heaters. The drip trays fit. The original Rotax mount didn't go with this setup and I had to make my own attachment - no real problem. If you like I could send you some pictures. Regards, Alfred Alfred Buess CH-3700 Spiez, Switzerland Europa XS HB-YKI, Ercoupe 415-E N94804 -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Richard Iddon Gesendet: Montag, 10. April 2017 20:05 An: Europa Forum Betreff: Europa-List: 912ULS Carb drip trays Next question! I would like to fit a pair of drip trays under the carbs on my 912ULS to protect the carbs from the heat from the exhaust. It looks very tight under there, especially on the starboard side close to the starter motor. Can anyone reassure me that they will fit OK before I order them? I do have the Rotax carb heaters fitted also. Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:01 PM PST US From: "A. Buess Aviatik" Subject: AW: Europa-List: Trig TY91 Richard, I have the Dittel KRT2 radio connected to a Flightcom 403d intercom - works fine so far. Regards, Alfred Alfred Buess CH-3700 Spiez, Switzerland Europa XS HB-YKI, Ercoupe 415-E N94804 -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Richard Iddon Gesendet: Montag, 10. April 2017 19:35 An: Europa Forum Betreff: Re: Europa-List: Trig TY91 Hmm! Installation could be a problem then. I fitted a Trig transponder a while ago and struggled to find a place for the main unit for that. Anyone got any other recommendations for a one piece radio which will fit in my existing 2 1/4 inch hole. I already have an intercom. I note Mendelssohns offer FUNKE and Dittel which would appear to do the job. Any feedback on these units? Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:56 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: New Europa Builder From: "rampil" Hi Chris, Welcome to Europa world! Ira builder/owner hA224 Somewhere south of KATL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468252#468252 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:00 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 912ULS Carb drip trays From: "rampil" They will not fit if you have the Skydrive carb heat blocks installed -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468253#468253 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:44 PM PST US From: Richard Iddon Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: 912ULS Carb drip trays OK, I am slightly confused. Alfred says that they will fit but Ira says not. The drip trays I am looking at are the bowl shaped cast aluminium ones. They mount between the inlet manifold and the rubber flange that the carbs bolt to. Maybe there are other alternatives. Richard G-RIXS > On 10 Apr 2017, at 20:39, rampil wrote: > > > They will not fit if you have the Skydrive carb heat blocks installed > > -------- > Ira N224XS > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468253#468253 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:10 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fuel UL91 question for UK or European pilots From: "jonathanmilbank" One of my friends who shares my aircraft will be taking it away for 2 weeks, to an airfield where UL91 is on tap while mogas needs to be fetched in jerry cans. Does anybody out there know of any issues with UL91, i.e. will it degrade the "Tupperware" plastic fuel tank? Nev Eyre states "No one knows for certain long term. Not seen any failures attributed to it." I have considered using it myself if ever I go touring, but never contemplated using it exclusively for a long period. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468255#468255 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:37 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel UL91 question for UK or European pilots Jonathan, I have used UL91 ever since it became available at Gloucester, and without any modification to my Rotax systems. It is approved for a range of Rotax engines and IMHO is a more reliable entity than Mogas, which can vary considerably in its contents. On top of that it works v nicely on my 914 Regards, David Joyce GXSDJ On 2017-04-10 21:07, jonathanmilbank wrote: > > One of my friends who shares my aircraft will be taking it away for 2 weeks, to an airfield where UL91 is on tap while mogas needs to be fetched in jerry cans. > > Does anybody out there know of any issues with UL91, i.e. will it degrade the "Tupperware" plastic fuel tank? Nev Eyre states "No one knows for certain long term. Not seen any failures attributed to it." > > I have considered using it myself if ever I go touring, but never contemplated using it exclusively for a long period. > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468255#468255 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468255#468255 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:00 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: New Europa Builder From: "n7188u" Couple pictures of the pickup adventure. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468257#468257 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20170409_163033_small_432.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20170408_105710_small_803.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20170408_103552_small_506.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:18 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel UL91 question for UK or European pilots From: "jonathanmilbank" David. Thanks for the quick and encouraging response. I've advised my friend to go ahead and use it whenever he likes. To everyone else and as a complete aside, I've done about 10 hours flying since completing the installation of Neville Eyre's cowls and engine frame to replace the Classic set-up. I couldn't be more pleased with my investment of money and time. No performance loss, no more hot starting problems, no great difficulty taking off with a strong left crosswind. Many compliments at the change in appearance and improved fuel consumption to boot! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468259#468259 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:19 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 912ULS Carb drip trays From: "Alfred Buess" Richard, There are indeed two different types of Rotax drip trays. I have the flat version that Rotax sold with their airbox. I don't know if they sell it separatly. See the attached pictures. Regards, Alfred Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468288#468288 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1690_904.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1688_177.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1683_115.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1681_159.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.