---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/18/17: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:31 AM - Empty Weight (flyingphil2) 2. 03:56 AM - Re: Empty Weight (Steven Pitt) 3. 06:28 AM - Re: Empty Weight (Robert Borger) 4. 07:04 AM - Europa Monowheel, outrigger parts, inc support fitting, eBay (G-ODTW) 5. 09:15 AM - Re: Empty Weight (Rick Moss) 6. 10:47 AM - Re: Empty Weight (jonathanmilbank) 7. 11:11 AM - Exhaust springs (Richard Iddon) 8. 11:15 AM - Re: Empty Weight (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 9. 11:48 AM - Re: Exhaust springs (david park) 10. 02:11 PM - C04 water pipe query (Rowland Carson) 11. 02:26 PM - Re: C04 water pipe query (david park) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:07 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Empty Weight From: "flyingphil2" Hi, I would like to canvas opinion of what is a good or low empty weight for a Europa XS tri-gear. Would anyone be willing to share their empty weights with me (mono XS owners welcome)? Feel free to PM if you don't want to share the info on the forum. Thanks, Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468578#468578 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:42 AM PST US From: Steven Pitt Subject: Re: Europa-List: Empty Weight 876lbs at last count Steve Pitt Sent from my iPhone > On 18 Apr 2017, at 11:30, flyingphil2 wrote: > > > Hi, > > I would like to canvas opinion of what is a good or low empty weight for a Europa XS tri-gear. Would anyone be willing to share their empty weights with me (mono XS owners welcome)? Feel free to PM if you don't want to share the info on the forum. > > Thanks, > > Phil > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468578#468578 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Empty Weight From: Robert Borger Phil, My ex-mono, converted to tri is 913 lbs empty @ 59.3 in. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Apr 18, 2017, at 5:30 AM, flyingphil2 wrote: Hi, I would like to canvas opinion of what is a good or low empty weight for a Europa XS tri-gear. Would anyone be willing to share their empty weights with me (mono XS owners welcome)? Feel free to PM if you don't want to share the info on the forum. Thanks, Phil ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:14 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Europa Monowheel, outrigger parts, inc support fitting, eBay From: "G-ODTW" I spotted these. Just in case anyone is in need! Europa Monowheel, outrigger parts, inc support fitting, repair bushes, brand new parts, new/old stock, Finishes 18 Apr, 2017 18:51:11 BST) 25 -------- David Walters 01474 816817 dave@robotas.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468585#468585 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Empty Weight From: "Rick Moss" 878lbs (or 397.5kg in my preferred units) with spats, cushions and everything else actually used for flight. XS Trigear (and built as such) with 912S and Airmaster CS prop. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468586#468586 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:12 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Empty Weight From: "jonathanmilbank" 868 lbs. Mine started out as a Classic mono with 912 80 hp and fixed Warp Drive prop. Over the years it has evolved firstly to Airmaster VP, then 912S in Classic cowls, then tri-gear, and recently to Nev Eyre cowls and engine bearer with XS style duct and radiator, but retaining the Classic oil cooler. So effectively mine is now a tri-gear XS with Airmaster prop and no spats, pants or speed kit; just bare legs and hinges. Therefore my 868 lbs makes sense compared with Rick Moss' 878 lbs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468588#468588 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:10 AM PST US From: Richard Iddon Subject: Europa-List: Exhaust springs I recall that there was some discussion a while ago about exhaust springs. I have just replaced my silencer but the springs seem rather loose. In fact some of them are just rattling about and not in tension at all once installed. I also have evidence of exhaust gas blowing on one of my carb bowls. Do they loose their spring over time? Been 10 years since they were installed new / 750 hrs. Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:35 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Empty Weight 837lbs Mono, XS, 914, woodcomp SR 3000W, speed kit, autopilot & v full panel, gelcoat finish. Includes 3 lbs lead in tail to give ideal COG. That is a good weight in the sense that I can have full fuel, lots of luggage and two pax of my size (6- 2" & 82 kg) How to achieve it? Think light from the start. Don't add anything you do not really need and always think is there a lighter way of doing this. Use correct, relatively dry mix for lay ups & always use peel ply. Forget steam age instrumentation. Do not fit heavy leather fixed upholstery. Cushions are much lighter and more flexible. Do not use the sort of paint scheme that needs 5 undercoats, a UV coat or two and several overcoats. Don't paint close outs and other areas that are not visible or exposed to sunlight. Gel coat is UV opaque and needs just the single coat, most of which you wet & dry off! David Joyce, GXSDJ "flyingphil2" Hi, I would like to canvas opinion of what is a good or low empty weight for a Europa XS tri-gear. Would anyone be willing to share their empty weights with me (mono XS owners welcome)? Feel free to PM if you don't want to share the info on the forum. Thanks, Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468578#468578 [1] Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468578#468578 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Exhaust springs From: david park I had a problem with exhaust spring breaking. The originals were easy to fit but started breaking. The replacements i received were 90mm springs which needed far too much tension to install. When i questioned this with CKT? It seems they changed something and my installation requires 95mm springs which they provide. Perhaps doesn't help you but shows that you need springs that fit your installation. Dave G-LDVO > On 18 Apr 2017, at 19:10, Richard Iddon wrote: > > > I recall that there was some discussion a while ago about exhaust springs. I have just replaced my silencer but the springs seem rather loose. In fact some of them are just rattling about and not in tension at all once installed. I also have evidence of exhaust gas blowing on one of my carb bowls. Do they loose their spring over time? Been 10 years since they were installed new / 750 hrs. > > Richard Iddon > > G-RIXS > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:07 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: C04 water pipe query Ive just done a trial fit of the C04 water hose that goes from the header on top of the Rotax 912S down to the port side of the radiator and it seems a very tight fit between the footwell and the engine mount. Im concerned that it will be chafing and get damaged enough to spring a leak quite quickly. Has anyone else had this problem and if so what did they do about it? in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: C04 water pipe query From: david park Mine is close to footwell and engine frame but no problem. Dave G-LDVO > On 18 Apr 2017, at 21:17, Rowland Carson wrote: > > > Ive just done a trial fit of the C04 water hose that goes from the header on top of the Rotax 912S down to the port side of the radiator and it seems a very tight fit between the footwell and the engine mount. Im concerned that it will be chafing and get damaged enough to spring a leak quite quickly. Has anyone else had this problem and if so what did they do about it? > > in friendship > > Rowland > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.