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1. 12:06 AM - Re: Re: Help requested please (Rowland Carson)
2. 05:06 AM - Re: Tail Plane Fitting (h&jeuropa)
3. 05:11 AM - Re: Airmaster whirlwind blades (h&jeuropa)
4. 06:26 AM - Re: Airmaster whirlwind blades (Remi Guerner)
5. 06:31 AM - Re: Airmaster whirlwind blades (Remi Guerner)
6. 07:15 AM - PilotAware installation (Pete Lawless)
7. 08:26 AM - Re: PilotAware installation (Kevin Challis)
8. 09:04 AM - Re: PilotAware installation (Pete Lawless)
9. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: Airmaster whirlwind blades (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
10. 12:41 PM - Arctic trip (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
11. 12:56 PM - Re: Arctic trip (david park)
12. 01:21 PM - Re: PilotAware installation (graeme bird)
13. 02:04 PM - Re: Arctic trip (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
14. 02:11 PM - Re: Arctic trip (david park)
15. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: PilotAware installation (Pete Lawless)
16. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: Airmaster whirlwind blades (elsbeth moreland)
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| Subject: | Re: Help requested please |
On 2017-05-13, at 18:24, Matt Dovey <mattdovey@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
> I've tried to join the club on a number of times but have received the same error.
Matt - Im very sorry that our poor maintenance of the website has prevented you
from joining the Club.
Some time after the system was changed from the plain old PHP (in which I built
a system to work with credit cards) to a WordPress template the Committee decided
that we could no longer sustain the charges levied by the credit card issuing
and processing companies. The links to the card system were removed then,
but unaware to me they somehow managed to return, maybe as a result of crashes
and rebuilding from backups by the hosting company.
I think I have now removed the offending links (well I think Ive found all of them).
We hope soon to provide a website that works properly (on a new host), for the
benefit of all, and will once more provide a way to join and renew online. In
the meantime I have forwarded your message to the Europa Club Committee.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Plane Fitting |
We seem to recall we had to "adjust" the pins to make our tail planes fit properly
too. You can probably use a 1/4" drive deep well socket to slide over the
pin and adjust it.
We also found that lubrication is necessary. We use anti seize compound on the
torque tube itself and the pins. This is especially necessary once in service
since it is possible for moisture to weep past the pip pin and cause corrosion
at the bearing inside the tailplane. We wipe a little anti seize on a stick
to reach that bearing prior to installing the tailplanes.
Jim & Heather
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| Subject: | Re: Airmaster whirlwind blades |
David,
We attempted to measure this yesterday. It is difficult to measure the incidence
of the blade at the 1/3 radius point since the blade is not flat there. But
making the level equidistant from the leading edge and the trailing edge at
the point, the twist in the blade is around 14 deg.
The blade has quite an airfoil shape so perhaps that accounts for the improved
performance rather than twist.
Jim & Heather
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| Subject: | Re: Airmaster whirlwind blades |
Yes the article by Bud and Jim in EF 89 is interesting. Those Whirlwind blades
are beautiful and the new ferrules are not protuding outside the spinner anymore
as they do with the WarpDrive blades, adding drag without thrust.
The possibility to upgrade an existing Airmaster/WrapDrive prop with the new blades
is very tempting.
However the article is disapointing regarding the compared cruise performances
of the WD and WW blades. Both Bud and Jim say they see a few more knots at the
same power setting. I have analyzed in details the figures shown in the charts
for the Monowheel and here are my comments:
1. Some speed figures are very wide spread, sometimes 10 knots for the same conditions,
probably because the air mass was not as stable enough during the testing.
As we are looking for a few knots differences, that makes the comparison
a little bit doubtful.
2. The tendency is a speed increase of 2 knots with the WW blades at altitudes
up to 14000 ft.
3. The testing was done on the Rotax 914 only. I assume there would be some similar
speed improvement also with the normally aspirated 912S.
3. Surprisingly at 17000 ft. figures show that the WW are slower than the WD for
3 out of the 4 power settings used for the test.
So to summarize, sorry Bud, I do not see the 5 knots increase you are talking about.
Regarding the alleged reduced fuel flow with the WW blades at a given power
setting at the same density altitude, this is just not possible. That is the
law of physics. If the fuel flow is lower, that is due to either a lower power
setting or an inacurate fuel flow meter, not to the better prop blades.
To conclude I pass the following message to Airmaster: with the Airmaster/WD blades
on my Monowheel, 912 ULS, one on board, full fuel, I consistently get 140
kts TAS at full throttle, 5000 RPM at 8500ft density altitude. If I could get
the proof that those WW blades would increase my cruise speed by 5 knots in
those conditions, I would place an order immediately!
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
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| Subject: | Re: Airmaster whirlwind blades |
Jim,
14 degrees of twist for the Whirlwind! By comparison, the WarpDrive blade has 16
degrees of twist and the high twist Woodcomp 24 degrees. So should we ask Whirlwind
to design a new blade with more twist ? That would at least improve ground
cooling and possibly give us some more speed.
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
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| Subject: | PilotAware installation |
Hi All
Just wondering where people are fitting the PilotAware unit in the
Europa. I am thinking of the shelf on rear D panel in my non extended
baggage bay or a little higher up on a new bracket.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Pete
G-RMAC Classic #109
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| Subject: | Re: PilotAware installation |
I fitted mine on the passenger shelf, starboard side of the panel. Not very neat
but works fine. One day I might move it somewhere out of sight.
It really is a brilliant unit, the other day it showed another aircraft on a converging
course. I knew where the other aircraft was but could not see it. Sure
enough it appeared exactly where the Aware unit said it would.
The Mk1 eyeball is remarkable limited in distance when looking for a small plane
in a big sky.
Kevin Challis
G ODJG
> On 14 May 2017, at 15:14, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All
>
> Just wondering where people are fitting the PilotAware unit in the Europa. I
am thinking of the shelf on rear D panel in my non extended baggage bay or a
little higher up on a new bracket.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pete
>
> G-RMAC Classic #109
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: PilotAware installation |
Thanks Kevin
Wondered about there. Good to know it works. I am based between two
busy gliding sites so the new OGN facility should be a real help. Not
used it in flight yet but like what I see on the ground. Was going to
try just the Radar screen on a browser or link it to XCSoar to see which
I prefer.
Pete
On 14/05/17 16:24, Kevin Challis wrote:
>
> I fitted mine on the passenger shelf, starboard side of the panel. Not very neat
but works fine. One day I might move it somewhere out of sight.
>
> It really is a brilliant unit, the other day it showed another aircraft on a
converging course. I knew where the other aircraft was but could not see it. Sure
enough it appeared exactly where the Aware unit said it would.
>
> The Mk1 eyeball is remarkable limited in distance when looking for a small plane
in a big sky.
>
> Kevin Challis
> G ODJG
>
>
>> On 14 May 2017, at 15:14, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> Just wondering where people are fitting the PilotAware unit in the Europa.
I am thinking of the shelf on rear D panel in my non extended baggage bay or a
little higher up on a new bracket.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> G-RMAC Classic #109
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airmaster whirlwind blades |
Remi, The comparisons I did between low & high twist woodcomp props were
rigorous, all early in the day and over water to eliminate the risk of
catching an early thermal. They were also all done approaching the test
conditions from above, that is doing a shallow dive from something like
100ft above the chosen altitude and then waiting for the speed to
stabilise whilst flying level. They showed a clear 5 kt advantage at low
& middle altitudes (Vne exceedable at 10,000ft so no comparison
possible) but also a clear cooling advantage not just on the ground but
in the air. The required 5 min full power climb boiled the engine with
the low twist one but was achieved without incident with the high twist.
It is worth restating that with twist of the order of 14 degrees either
the tip will be stalled or the inner part of the prop will be in Beta
mode at speeds of 100kts or more. Ask yourselves why all prop driven war
birds or Red Bull racers and the like have props with 24 or 26 degrees
of twist!
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2017-05-14 14:30, Remi Guerner wrote:
>
> Jim,
> 14 degrees of twist for the Whirlwind! By comparison, the WarpDrive blade has
16 degrees of twist and the high twist Woodcomp 24 degrees. So should we ask
Whirlwind to design a new blade with more twist ? That would at least improve
ground cooling and possibly give us some more speed.
> Remi Guerner
> F-PGKL
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469296#469296 [1]
>
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We are now in final stages of planning the Arctic trip with provisional
dates 2-10 June and anyone who has not contacted me already but is
interested should get in touch PDQ! It will involve two legs/day flying
for much of the journey there and back but with time to visit friends
and sight see in stops in Finland.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
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Hoping to get Nevs cowling finished, counter sink all holes, prep for sprayi
ng, make baffles, replace upper water hoses,
Dave Park
Dave Park
> On 14 May 2017, at 20:41, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> We are now in final stages of planning the Arctic trip with provisional da
tes 2-10 June and anyone who has not contacted me already but is interested s
hould get in touch PDQ! It will involve two legs/day flying for much of the j
ourney there and back but with time to visit friends and sight see in stops i
n Finland.
>
> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: PilotAware installation |
Mine is being mounted at an angle with P3i antenna pointing down on the back of
the baggage bay rim behind my head and near as the top as possible. The small
antenna I am intending to glue on the cieling of the fuslage away from the fuel
filler pipe.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis
ap, pflarm, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500 & SD on Nexus,
280 hours & 5 years on the Mono, 900 total
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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Dave, I am not clear whether that is a possible/probable/definite yes or
no! David
On 2017-05-14 20:55, david park wrote:
> Hoping to get Nevs cowling finished, counter sink all holes, prep for spraying,
make baffles, replace upper water hoses,
> Dave Park
>
> Dave Park
>
> On 14 May 2017, at 20:41, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
>> We are now in final stages of planning the Arctic trip with provisional dates
2-10 June and anyone who has not contacted me already but is interested should
get in touch PDQ! It will involve two legs/day flying for much of the journey
there and back but with time to visit friends and sight see in stops in Finland.
>>
>> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
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Probable
Dave Park
> On 14 May 2017, at 22:03, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Dave, I am not clear whether that is a possible/probable/definite yes or n
o! David
>
>
>
>
>> On 2017-05-14 20:55, david park wrote:
>>
>> Hoping to get Nevs cowling finished, counter sink all holes, prep for spr
aying, make baffles, replace upper water hoses,
>> Dave Park
>>
>> Dave Park
>>
>>
>>> On 14 May 2017, at 20:41, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> We are now in final stages of planning the Arctic trip with provisional d
ates 2-10 June and anyone who has not contacted me already but is interested
should get in touch PDQ! It will involve two legs/day flying for much of th
e journey there and back but with time to visit friends and sight see in sto
ps in Finland.
>>>
>>> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: PilotAware installation |
Hi Graeme
Sort of what I was thinking once it has been test flown. But watch out
for the small antenna! I stuck mine this morning with velcro and when I
came to remove it the bottom cover of the antenna came off to reveal the
little magnet. I think it will be better, without the base cover,
epoxied on to a square of ply.
On 14/05/17 21:20, graeme bird wrote:
>
> Mine is being mounted at an angle with P3i antenna pointing down on the back
of the baggage bay rim behind my head and near as the top as possible. The small
antenna I am intending to glue on the cieling of the fuslage away from the
fuel filler pipe.
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis
ap, pflarm, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500 & SD on Nexus,
> 280 hours & 5 years on the Mono, 900 total
> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469306#469306
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airmaster whirlwind blades |
Hello
trying to figure out how I would renew my membership in the Europa Club.
I joined last year ,2016 , while at SUn n Fun. My name is Bill
Moreland from Pa. I would love to renew my membership with your help.
thank you, Bill
Will be looking for your info and again thanks
On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:10 AM, h&jeuropa <butcher43@att.net> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> We attempted to measure this yesterday. It is difficult to measure the
> incidence of the blade at the 1/3 radius point since the blade is not flat
> there. But making the level equidistant from the leading edge and the
> trailing edge at the point, the twist in the blade is around 14 deg.
>
> The blade has quite an airfoil shape so perhaps that accounts for the
> improved performance rather than twist.
>
> Jim & Heather
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469292#469292
>
>
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