---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/14/17: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - Re: Crimp tool - any loan available? (Rowland Carson) 2. 12:23 AM - Re: Crimp tool - any loan available? (italianjon) 3. 01:43 AM - Cambridge cowboy (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 4. 02:14 AM - Re: Cambridge cowboy (flyingphil2) 5. 02:50 AM - Re: Cambridge cowboy (Roland) 6. 02:53 AM - Re: Europa fly-in Bad =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=C3=BCrkheim?=/Germany 16th-18th June (Roland) 7. 04:13 AM - Re: Re: Cambridge cowboy (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 8. 09:58 AM - Re: Cambridge cowboy (Rowland Carson) 9. 11:16 AM - Re: Cambridge cowboy (Bob Harrison) 10. 12:50 PM - Re: Cambridge cowboy (Alan Burrill) 11. 01:47 PM - Re: Cambridge cowboy (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Crimp tool - any loan available? From: Rowland Carson On 2017-06-14, at 07:55, italianjon wrote: > Does anyone have a crimp tool they could send me to borrow for a week or so towards the end of July or into August? Jon - I think I have what you need - whereabouts are you located? in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:23 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Crimp tool - any loan available? From: "italianjon" Hi Rowland, I'll drop you a PM when I get home. Typing on my cracked phone screen leads to some interesting typos :-) I'm based in Germany. Best Jon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470087#470087 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:28 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Europa-List: Cambridge cowboy This last Sunday we were returning from our Arctic trip passing about 5 miles north of Cambridge at around 5.45 pm at something like 2800 ft and battling a 20+ kt headwind. We saw a plane coming on a reciprocal track at our 1 o'clock and about 300 ft higher. We turned 45 degrees left to give added clearance and increase conspicuity whilst keeping a close eye on him. We were surprised to say the least when from fairly close he dived to his right to descend to pass immediately in front of us about 10 feet up and perhaps 50 yards in front. As he reached our track he did an aileron roll! And dived off in the direction of Cambridge. Elegant but IDIOTIC! The plane was blue and white and looked like an Extra or similar. It all happened so quickly that we did not have a chance to get the reg, otherwise we would have felt obliged to report an Airprox. We might have been the sort of muffins that rarely look out of the cockpit, and could perhaps have just realised that we were going to be late & pushed the throttle or whatever. If any of you flying out of Cambridge recognise the description, you might like to pass the message that we did not yhink it was a specially bright manoeuvre! Regards, David Joyce & Tim Houlihan in GBZTH ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:14:01 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cambridge cowboy From: "flyingphil2" Cambridge? Blue and White? Extra? Not this one by any chance: http://cambridgeaeroclub.com/adventure-flights/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470090#470090 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cambridge cowboy From: "Roland" One of the reasons I (and my passenger) wear a chute. 2800ft would be about a hight having a pretty good chance to bail out (BTW might well be, that the Extra pilot did wear one as well, since it's an aerobatic airplane). @David - good that you still have the possibility to post this experience here. Agree to your judgement of this maneuvre. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470091#470091 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:44 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa fly-in Bad =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=C3=BCrkheim?=/Germany 16th-18th June From: "Roland" Weather Looks pretty good for the Weekend in Bad Drkheim :-) Looking forward to meeting many of you there! My number is +49 160 993 552 in case anyone wants to get in contact (but I think the Europa pilots will find each other anyway :-) Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470092#470092 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:13 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Cambridge cowboy The spitting image! David On 2017-06-14 10:13, flyingphil2 wrote: > > Cambridge? > > Blue and White? > > Extra? > > Not this one by any chance: > > http://cambridgeaeroclub.com/adventure-flights/ [1] > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470090#470090 [2] > Links: ------ [1] http://cambridgeaeroclub.com/adventure-flights/ [2] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470090#470090 [3] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [4] http://forums.matronics.com [5] http://wiki.matronics.com [6] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cambridge cowboy From: Rowland Carson On 2017-06-14, at 09:38, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > we did not have a chance to get the reg, otherwise we would have felt obliged to report an Airprox David - you dont need the reg to file an airprox; this sounds to me very worthwhile to report formally. Id like to have this guy stopped before I bump into him! in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:48 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cambridge cowboy Hi! David, you are probably too late to have the Radar Services save the tapes. But if you had reported it whilst air borne they would have it recorded. The JCB helicopter nearly took me out between Kettering and Northampton once I didn=99t report it at once but commenced a complaint with JCB direct, they denied having a flight at that time. But on pressure their manager gave way and admitted the flight was a training flight between Ellestree and Utoxeter with the damn pilot =9Cunder the hood=9D his lookout was on the wrong side to me. I had been receiving a Radar service from Birmingham or East Midlands but he was under observation from Coventry. But no bugger was going to tell me I didn=99t know what a Yellow JCB copter looked like especially when in that split second all I could see out the screen forward was yellow Copter. You should have done an immediate airborne report but I guess you weren=99t receiving a service? These tossers want taking to task . I would instigate an investigation .......nothing to stop you ......make them squirm like the Hunter Pilot at Shorham. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Sent: 14 June 2017 09:38 Subject: Europa-List: Cambridge cowboy This last Sunday we were returning from our Arctic trip passing about 5 miles north of Cambridge at around 5.45 pm at something like 2800 ft and battling a 20+ kt headwind. We saw a plane coming on a reciprocal track at our 1 o'clock and about 300 ft higher. We turned 45 degrees left to give added clearance and increase conspicuity whilst keeping a close eye on him. We were surprised to say the least when from fairly close he dived to his right to descend to pass immediately in front of us about 10 feet up and perhaps 50 yards in front. As he reached our track he did an aileron roll! And dived off in the direction of Cambridge. Elegant but IDIOTIC! The plane was blue and white and looked like an Extra or similar. It all happened so quickly that we did not have a chance to get the reg, otherwise we would have felt obliged to report an Airprox. We might have been the sort of muffins that rarely look out of the cockpit, and could perhaps have just realised that we were going to be late & pushed the throttle or whatever. If any of you flying out of Cambridge recognise the description, you might like to pass the message that we did not yhink it was a specially bright manoeuvre! Regards, David Joyce & Tim Houlihan in GBZTH Virus-free. www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:18 PM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cambridge cowboy Radar recordings are retained for 30 days. It's worth filing an airprox so it can be investigated and lessons learned Alan Sent from my iPad > On 14 Jun 2017, at 19:16, Bob Harrison wrote: > > Hi! > David, you are probably too late to have the Radar Services save the tape s. But if you had reported it whilst air borne they would have it recorded. T he JCB helicopter nearly took me out between Kettering and Northampton once I didn=99t report it at once but commenced a complaint with JCB direct, they denied having a flight at that time. But on pressure their manager ga ve way and admitted the flight was a training flight between Ellestree and U toxeter with the damn pilot =9Cunder the hood=9D his lookout was on the wrong side to me. I had been receiving a Radar service from Birmin gham or East Midlands but he was under observation from Coventry. But no b ugger was going to tell me I didn=99t know what a Yellow JCB copter lo oked like especially when in that split second all I could see out the scree n forward was yellow Copter. > You should have done an immediate airborne report but I guess you weren =99t receiving a service? > These tossers want taking to task . I would instigate an investigation ... ....nothing to stop you ......make them squirm like the Hunter Pilot at Sho rham. > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG. > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk > Sent: 14 June 2017 09:38 > To: europa list > Subject: Europa-List: Cambridge cowboy > > This last Sunday we were returning from our Arctic trip passing about 5 mi les north of Cambridge at around 5.45 pm at something like 2800 ft and batt ling a 20+ kt headwind. We saw a plane coming on a reciprocal track at our 1 o'clock and about 300 ft higher. We turned 45 degrees left to give added cl earance and increase conspicuity whilst keeping a close eye on him. We were s urprised to say the least when from fairly close he dived to his right to de scend to pass immediately in front of us about 10 feet up and perhaps 50 yar ds in front. As he reached our track he did an aileron roll! And dived off i n the direction of Cambridge. Elegant but IDIOTIC! The plane was blue and w hite and looked like an Extra or similar. It all happened so quickly that we did not have a chance to get the reg, otherwise we would have felt obliged t o report an Airprox. We might have been the sort of muffins that rarely look out of the cockpit, and could perhaps have just realised that we were going to be late & pushed the throttle or whatever. > > If any of you flying out of Cambridge recognise the description, you mi ght like to pass the message that we did not yhink it was a specially bright manoeuvre! > > Regards, David Joyce & Tim Houlihan in GBZTH > > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:24 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cambridge cowboy I am pursuing it via the Cambridge Aero Club, which strangely enough has a blue and white Extra the spitting image of the one which aggravate4d us. David On 2017-06-14 20:49, Alan Burrill wrote: > Radar recordings are retained for 30 days. > > It's worth filing an airprox so it can be investigated and lessons learned > > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 14 Jun 2017, at 19:16, Bob Harrison wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> David, you are probably too late to have the Radar Services save the tapes. But if you had reported it whilst air borne they would have it recorded. The JCB helicopter nearly took me out between Kettering and Northampton once I didn't report it at once but commenced a complaint with JCB direct, they denied having a flight at that time. But on pressure their manager gave way and admitted the flight was a training flight between Ellestree and Utoxeter with the damn pilot "under the hood" his lookout was on the wrong side to me. I had been receiving a Radar service from Birmingham or East Midlands but he was under observation from Coventry. But no bugger was going to tell me I didn't know what a Yellow JCB copter looked like especially when in that split second all I could see out the screen forward was yellow Copter. >> >> You should have done an immediate airborne report but I guess you weren't receiving a service? >> >> These tossers want taking to task . I would instigate an investigation .......nothing to stop you ......make them squirm like the Hunter Pilot at Shorham. >> >> Regards >> >> Bob Harrison G-PTAG. >> >> FROM: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] ON BEHALF OF davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk >> SENT: 14 June 2017 09:38 >> TO: europa list >> SUBJECT: Europa-List: Cambridge cowboy >> >> This last Sunday we were returning from our Arctic trip passing about 5 miles north of Cambridge at around 5.45 pm at something like 2800 ft and battling a 20+ kt headwind. We saw a plane coming on a reciprocal track at our 1 o'clock and about 300 ft higher. We turned 45 degrees left to give added clearance and increase conspicuity whilst keeping a close eye on him. We were surprised to say the least when from fairly close he dived to his right to descend to pass immediately in front of us about 10 feet up and perhaps 50 yards in front. As he reached our track he did an aileron roll! And dived off in the direction of Cambridge. Elegant but IDIOTIC! The plane was blue and white and looked like an Extra or similar. It all happened so quickly that we did not have a chance to get the reg, otherwise we would have felt obliged to report an Airprox. We might have been the sort of muffins that rarely look out of the cockpit, and could perhaps have just realised that we were going to be late & pushed the throttle or whatever. >> >> If any of you flying out of Cambridge recognise the description, you might like to pass the message that we did not yhink it was a specially bright manoeuvre! >> >> Regards, David Joyce & Tim Houlihan in GBZTH >> >> [1] >> >> Virus-free. www.avg.com [1] Links: ------ [1] http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.