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1. 12:43 AM - Re: Stall Warner - switch problems (clivesutton)
2. 02:45 AM - Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug (Kingsley Hurst)
3. 05:47 AM - Fuel supply (William Daniell)
4. 05:57 AM - Re: Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug (h&jeuropa)
5. 06:10 AM - Re: Fuel supply (Ian Cook)
6. 10:36 AM - Re: Landing Light Positioning (graeme bird)
7. 10:48 AM - Re: Fuel supply (Steven Pitt)
8. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Landing Light Positioning (david park)
9. 11:04 AM - Re: Fuel supply (david park)
10. 01:59 PM - Re: Stall Warner - switch problems (Kelvin Weston)
11. 02:24 PM - Re: Fuel supply (William Daniell)
12. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug (Kingsley Hurst)
13. 07:25 PM - Re: Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug (h&jeuropa)
14. 09:59 PM - Re: Landing Light Positioning (italianjon)
15. 10:44 PM - Re: Re: Stall Warner - switch problems (Roddy Kesterton)
16. 11:36 PM - Aeroelectric Connection (clivesutton)
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warner - switch problems |
Thanks to all for your contributions
As Bud has illuminated on, at 3" of water, the operating pressure is very low so
the adjustment is very fiddly/has a very small range between success and on
all the time. I have repositioned the switch taking care to 1) try and orientate
it so that the adjustment screw points upwards and 2) to avoid stressing the
plastic body of the switch. At optimum adjustment even a small side load on
the spigot that the vacuum tube connects to (port A) will operate the switch
at zero speed. Andy also advised me to make sure the orifice in the wing is
drilled out to 4mm OD and 6mm deep. With all the above now implemented it now
seems to work correctly, though it does stay on down to about 15kts on the ground.
The search for alternative adjustable switches has proved to be fruitless so far
Thanks again
Clive.
PS: Permit flight today!
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| Subject: | Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug |
At the next oil change, I would like to replace the drain plug with a quick
action type.
Could some kind soul tell me what size thread is on the oil tank drain plug
please? ie Diameter and pitch.
Thanks
Kingsley
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Has anyone had a problem putting the fuel pumps where the manual places
them? I mean in the sense that they are 2-3" above the bottom of the tank?
Thanks
Will
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug |
Kingsley,
The IPC shows it as M12x12.
We replaced ours with a quick drain several years ago. They are available from
Lockwood. We had problems with the gasket sealing with the plug and the quick
drain has solved that problem.
Jim & Heather
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Positioning |
If you are under the LAA in UK you will
Need a MOD. My MOD puts it in the air intake under the prop (XS cowling).
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis
AP, PAW, PFLARM core, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus,
SmartA3
290 hours & 5 years on the Mono, 930 total
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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Will, I do not profess to being an expert on such matters so I asked around when
building my trigear. I was told that the pump was fitted to the baggage bay
supports to be the lowest point in the fuel circuit for the mono wheel.
Whilst not ignoring the manual I made the decision and have not regretted it to
fix the pump alongside the passengers left knee inside the tunnel (I.e where
the mono wheel would be). This means that the pump is accessible for me through
my floor pan d panel and the fuel is pumping uphill rather than down.
I have not suffered any ill effects and not received any criticism from the more
learned so you might want to consider this.
Regards
Steve Pitt
GSMDH Trigear XS
Sent from my iPad
> On 20 Jun 2017, at 13:46, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Has anyone had a problem putting the fuel pumps where the manual places them?
I mean in the sense that they are 2-3" above the bottom of the tank?
>
> Thanks
>
> Will
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Positioning |
My pump is in the dame position as Steve Pitts and had no problems.
Dave Park G-LDVO
> On 20 Jun 2017, at 18:36, graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:
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> If you are under the LAA in UK you will
> Need a MOD. My MOD puts it in the air intake under the prop (XS cowling).
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> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis
AP, PAW, PFLARM core, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus,
SmartA3
> 290 hours & 5 years on the Mono, 930 total
> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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My pump is in the dame position as Steve Pitts and had no problems.
Dave Park G-LDVO
> On 20 Jun 2017, at 18:47, Steven Pitt <stevenwpitt@me.com> wrote:
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> Will, I do not profess to being an expert on such matters so I asked around when
building my trigear. I was told that the pump was fitted to the baggage bay
supports to be the lowest point in the fuel circuit for the mono wheel.
> Whilst not ignoring the manual I made the decision and have not regretted it
to fix the pump alongside the passengers left knee inside the tunnel (I.e where
the mono wheel would be). This means that the pump is accessible for me through
my floor pan d panel and the fuel is pumping uphill rather than down.
> I have not suffered any ill effects and not received any criticism from the more
learned so you might want to consider this.
> Regards
> Steve Pitt
> GSMDH Trigear XS
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 20 Jun 2017, at 13:46, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Has anyone had a problem putting the fuel pumps where the manual places them?
I mean in the sense that they are 2-3" above the bottom of the tank?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Will
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warner - switch problems |
Hi Bud and all
Now I am really confused. I have fitted the Europa stall warning mod and switch
but not yet used in anger.
How is this switch designed to work?
Is it normally closed and held open by pressure above a certain speed.
Or is it normally open and is closed by low pressure (vacuum), like a conventional
Cessna stall warner, caused by the angle of the wing.
The mod leaflet suggests it is operated by vacuum, but your description of it being
on until above a certain speed suggests the first option.
The switch has a hose connection to both sides of what I assume is a diaphragm,
so it is easy to connect incorrectly.
If it is normally closed then does that result in the buzzer operating continually
on the ground until above the stall speed?
I think that would eventually get to be a bit of a pain, especially during long
holds on the ground.
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Regards
Kelv Weston
Kit 497
kelv@kdweston.biz
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Excellent thanks.
Will
On Jun 20, 2017 13:07, "david park" <dpark748@icloud.com> wrote:
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> My pump is in the dame position as Steve Pitts and had no problems.
>
> Dave Park G-LDVO
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> > On 20 Jun 2017, at 18:47, Steven Pitt <stevenwpitt@me.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Will, I do not profess to being an expert on such matters so I asked
> around when building my trigear. I was told that the pump was fitted to the
> baggage bay supports to be the lowest point in the fuel circuit for the
> mono wheel.
> > Whilst not ignoring the manual I made the decision and have not
> regretted it to fix the pump alongside the passengers left knee inside the
> tunnel (I.e where the mono wheel would be). This means that the pump is
> accessible for me through my floor pan d panel and the fuel is pumping
> uphill rather than down.
> > I have not suffered any ill effects and not received any criticism from
> the more learned so you might want to consider this.
> > Regards
> > Steve Pitt
> > GSMDH Trigear XS
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On 20 Jun 2017, at 13:46, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Has anyone had a problem putting the fuel pumps where the manual places
> them? I mean in the sense that they are 2-3" above the bottom of the tank?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Will
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug |
Sent from my iPhone
> <butcher43@att.net> wrote:
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> The IPC shows it as M12x12.
>
Many thanks Jim.
Yes I noted the M12x12 quoted in the manual but I don't know what 12 x 12 means??
Seems to me that would be one hell of a thread pitch!
I'm wondering if it is a misprint and should be 12 x 1.2?
Looks like I might have to just drain the oil and measure it!
BTW Jim, I have always admired your many contributions to all things Europa . .
. . keep up the good work mate!
Best regards
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug |
Kingsley,
You're right that doesn't make sense.
More searching shows it is a Saf Air M12175. Available from Aircraft Spruce at
$43.95. So the thread is 12X1.75
Here is the link:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/safOilDrainValves.php?clickkey=4298847
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Light Positioning |
@Graham,
I'm not under the LAA scheme, therefore MOD approval isn't an issue for me.
In general, though, how do you find the Vega? Would you recommend it?
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warner - switch problems |
It's normally open, and activated when sufficient vacuum is applied.
Regards
Roddy kesterton g-ikrk
Sent from my iPhone
> On 20 Jun 2017, at 21:59, Kelvin Weston <kelv@kdweston.biz> wrote:
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>
> Hi Bud and all
>
> Now I am really confused. I have fitted the Europa stall warning mod and switch
but not yet used in anger.
>
> How is this switch designed to work?
>
> Is it normally closed and held open by pressure above a certain speed.
> Or is it normally open and is closed by low pressure (vacuum), like a conventional
Cessna stall warner, caused by the angle of the wing.
>
> The mod leaflet suggests it is operated by vacuum, but your description of it
being on until above a certain speed suggests the first option.
> The switch has a hose connection to both sides of what I assume is a diaphragm,
so it is easy to connect incorrectly.
>
> If it is normally closed then does that result in the buzzer operating continually
on the ground until above the stall speed?
> I think that would eventually get to be a bit of a pain, especially during long
holds on the ground.
>
> --------
> Regards
>
> Kelv Weston
> Kit 497
> kelv@kdweston.biz
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470288#470288
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| Subject: | Aeroelectric Connection |
I have a surplus 2007/Rev 11 copy of the above publication - does anyone want it?
Free to whoever responds first (would ask you collect from CV8 1FN UK, or
cover the postage cost)
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