---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/20/17: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:43 AM - Re: Stall Warner - switch problems (clivesutton) 2. 02:45 AM - Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug (Kingsley Hurst) 3. 05:47 AM - Fuel supply (William Daniell) 4. 05:57 AM - Re: Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug (h&jeuropa) 5. 06:10 AM - Re: Fuel supply (Ian Cook) 6. 10:36 AM - Re: Landing Light Positioning (graeme bird) 7. 10:48 AM - Re: Fuel supply (Steven Pitt) 8. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Landing Light Positioning (david park) 9. 11:04 AM - Re: Fuel supply (david park) 10. 01:59 PM - Re: Stall Warner - switch problems (Kelvin Weston) 11. 02:24 PM - Re: Fuel supply (William Daniell) 12. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug (Kingsley Hurst) 13. 07:25 PM - Re: Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug (h&jeuropa) 14. 09:59 PM - Re: Landing Light Positioning (italianjon) 15. 10:44 PM - Re: Re: Stall Warner - switch problems (Roddy Kesterton) 16. 11:36 PM - Aeroelectric Connection (clivesutton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:26 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Stall Warner - switch problems From: "clivesutton" Thanks to all for your contributions As Bud has illuminated on, at 3" of water, the operating pressure is very low so the adjustment is very fiddly/has a very small range between success and on all the time. I have repositioned the switch taking care to 1) try and orientate it so that the adjustment screw points upwards and 2) to avoid stressing the plastic body of the switch. At optimum adjustment even a small side load on the spigot that the vacuum tube connects to (port A) will operate the switch at zero speed. Andy also advised me to make sure the orifice in the wing is drilled out to 4mm OD and 6mm deep. With all the above now implemented it now seems to work correctly, though it does stay on down to about 15kts on the ground. The search for alternative adjustable switches has proved to be fruitless so far Thanks again Clive. PS: Permit flight today! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470256#470256 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:16 AM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug At the next oil change, I would like to replace the drain plug with a quick action type. Could some kind soul tell me what size thread is on the oil tank drain plug please? ie Diameter and pitch. Thanks Kingsley ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:02 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Europa-List: Fuel supply Has anyone had a problem putting the fuel pumps where the manual places them? I mean in the sense that they are 2-3" above the bottom of the tank? Thanks Will ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:01 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug From: "h&jeuropa" Kingsley, The IPC shows it as M12x12. We replaced ours with a quick drain several years ago. They are available from Lockwood. We had problems with the gasket sealing with the plug and the quick drain has solved that problem. Jim & Heather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470264#470264 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:48 AM PST US From: Ian Cook Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel supply SGFkIGFuIGVuZ2luZSBmYWlsdXJlIGR1ZSB0byBhIHNtYWxsIGFpciBsZWFrIGNhdXNpbmcgdGhl IHB1bXAgdG8gc3RvcCB3b3JraW5nIGluIDIwMDkuIEkgbW92ZWQgdGhlIHN0YW5kYXJkIHB1bXAg YW5kIGZpdHRlZCBhIGZ1cnRoZXIgcHVtcCB1bmRlciB0aGUgUkggc2VhdCBvbiB0aGUgZmxvb3Ig Zm9yIHRoZSByZXNlcnZlIHN5c3RlbS4gTm93IGFsd2F5cyBjaGVjayBwcmVzc3VyZSBpcyBvdmVy IDQgcHNpIG9uIGJvdGggcHVtcHMgYmVmb3JlIHRha2Utb2ZmIGFuZCBtb25pdG9yIG1haW4gcHVt cCBwcmVzc3VyZSB1bnRpbCBJIHN3aXRjaCBpdCBvZmYgaW4gZmxpZ2h0Lg0KDQpSZWdhcmRzDQoN Cklhbg0KRy1DQkhJDQoNCkZyb206IG93bmVyLWV1cm9wYS1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25pY3Mu Y29tIFttYWlsdG86b3duZXItZXVyb3BhLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb21dIE9uIEJl aGFsZiBPZiBXaWxsaWFtIERhbmllbGwNClNlbnQ6IDIwIEp1bmUgMjAxNyAxMzo0Nw0KVG86IGV1 cm9wYS1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NClN1YmplY3Q6IEV1cm9wYS1MaXN0OiBGdWVsIHN1cHBs eQ0KDQpIYXMgYW55b25lIGhhZCBhIHByb2JsZW0gcHV0dGluZyB0aGUgZnVlbCBwdW1wcyB3aGVy ZSB0aGUgbWFudWFsIHBsYWNlcyB0aGVtPyAgSSBtZWFuIGluIHRoZSBzZW5zZSB0aGF0IHRoZXkg YXJlIDItMyIgYWJvdmUgdGhlIGJvdHRvbSBvZiB0aGUgdGFuaz8NCg0KVGhhbmtzDQoNCldpbGwN Cg= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:37 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Landing Light Positioning From: "graeme bird" If you are under the LAA in UK you will Need a MOD. My MOD puts it in the air intake under the prop (XS cowling). -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis AP, PAW, PFLARM core, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus, SmartA3 290 hours & 5 years on the Mono, 930 total g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470277#470277 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:17 AM PST US From: Steven Pitt Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel supply Will, I do not profess to being an expert on such matters so I asked around when building my trigear. I was told that the pump was fitted to the baggage bay supports to be the lowest point in the fuel circuit for the mono wheel. Whilst not ignoring the manual I made the decision and have not regretted it to fix the pump alongside the passengers left knee inside the tunnel (I.e where the mono wheel would be). This means that the pump is accessible for me through my floor pan d panel and the fuel is pumping uphill rather than down. I have not suffered any ill effects and not received any criticism from the more learned so you might want to consider this. Regards Steve Pitt GSMDH Trigear XS Sent from my iPad > On 20 Jun 2017, at 13:46, William Daniell wrote: > > Has anyone had a problem putting the fuel pumps where the manual places them? I mean in the sense that they are 2-3" above the bottom of the tank? > > Thanks > > Will ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Landing Light Positioning From: david park My pump is in the dame position as Steve Pitts and had no problems. Dave Park G-LDVO > On 20 Jun 2017, at 18:36, graeme bird wrote: > > > If you are under the LAA in UK you will > Need a MOD. My MOD puts it in the air intake under the prop (XS cowling). > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis AP, PAW, PFLARM core, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus, SmartA3 > 290 hours & 5 years on the Mono, 930 total > g(at)gdbmk.co.uk > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470277#470277 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel supply From: david park My pump is in the dame position as Steve Pitts and had no problems. Dave Park G-LDVO > On 20 Jun 2017, at 18:47, Steven Pitt wrote: > > > Will, I do not profess to being an expert on such matters so I asked around when building my trigear. I was told that the pump was fitted to the baggage bay supports to be the lowest point in the fuel circuit for the mono wheel. > Whilst not ignoring the manual I made the decision and have not regretted it to fix the pump alongside the passengers left knee inside the tunnel (I.e where the mono wheel would be). This means that the pump is accessible for me through my floor pan d panel and the fuel is pumping uphill rather than down. > I have not suffered any ill effects and not received any criticism from the more learned so you might want to consider this. > Regards > Steve Pitt > GSMDH Trigear XS > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 20 Jun 2017, at 13:46, William Daniell wrote: >> >> Has anyone had a problem putting the fuel pumps where the manual places them? I mean in the sense that they are 2-3" above the bottom of the tank? >> >> Thanks >> >> Will > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:31 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Stall Warner - switch problems From: "Kelvin Weston" Hi Bud and all Now I am really confused. I have fitted the Europa stall warning mod and switch but not yet used in anger. How is this switch designed to work? Is it normally closed and held open by pressure above a certain speed. Or is it normally open and is closed by low pressure (vacuum), like a conventional Cessna stall warner, caused by the angle of the wing. The mod leaflet suggests it is operated by vacuum, but your description of it being on until above a certain speed suggests the first option. The switch has a hose connection to both sides of what I assume is a diaphragm, so it is easy to connect incorrectly. If it is normally closed then does that result in the buzzer operating continually on the ground until above the stall speed? I think that would eventually get to be a bit of a pain, especially during long holds on the ground. -------- Regards Kelv Weston Kit 497 kelv@kdweston.biz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470288#470288 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:42 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel supply Excellent thanks. Will On Jun 20, 2017 13:07, "david park" wrote: > > My pump is in the dame position as Steve Pitts and had no problems. > > Dave Park G-LDVO > > > > On 20 Jun 2017, at 18:47, Steven Pitt wrote: > > > > > > Will, I do not profess to being an expert on such matters so I asked > around when building my trigear. I was told that the pump was fitted to the > baggage bay supports to be the lowest point in the fuel circuit for the > mono wheel. > > Whilst not ignoring the manual I made the decision and have not > regretted it to fix the pump alongside the passengers left knee inside the > tunnel (I.e where the mono wheel would be). This means that the pump is > accessible for me through my floor pan d panel and the fuel is pumping > uphill rather than down. > > I have not suffered any ill effects and not received any criticism from > the more learned so you might want to consider this. > > Regards > > Steve Pitt > > GSMDH Trigear XS > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On 20 Jun 2017, at 13:46, William Daniell > wrote: > >> > >> Has anyone had a problem putting the fuel pumps where the manual places > them? I mean in the sense that they are 2-3" above the bottom of the tank? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Will > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:49 PM PST US From: Kingsley Hurst Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug Sent from my iPhone > wrote: > > The IPC shows it as M12x12. > Many thanks Jim. Yes I noted the M12x12 quoted in the manual but I don't know what 12 x 12 means?? Seems to me that would be one hell of a thread pitch! I'm wondering if it is a misprint and should be 12 x 1.2? Looks like I might have to just drain the oil and measure it! BTW Jim, I have always admired your many contributions to all things Europa . . . . keep up the good work mate! Best regards Kingsley ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:11 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rotax Oil Tank Drain Plug From: "h&jeuropa" Kingsley, You're right that doesn't make sense. More searching shows it is a Saf Air M12175. Available from Aircraft Spruce at $43.95. So the thread is 12X1.75 Here is the link: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/safOilDrainValves.php?clickkey=4298847 Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470301#470301 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:10 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Landing Light Positioning From: "italianjon" @Graham, I'm not under the LAA scheme, therefore MOD approval isn't an issue for me. In general, though, how do you find the Vega? Would you recommend it? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470305#470305 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:14 PM PST US From: Roddy Kesterton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Stall Warner - switch problems It's normally open, and activated when sufficient vacuum is applied. Regards Roddy kesterton g-ikrk Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Jun 2017, at 21:59, Kelvin Weston wrote: > > > Hi Bud and all > > Now I am really confused. I have fitted the Europa stall warning mod and switch but not yet used in anger. > > How is this switch designed to work? > > Is it normally closed and held open by pressure above a certain speed. > Or is it normally open and is closed by low pressure (vacuum), like a conventional Cessna stall warner, caused by the angle of the wing. > > The mod leaflet suggests it is operated by vacuum, but your description of it being on until above a certain speed suggests the first option. > The switch has a hose connection to both sides of what I assume is a diaphragm, so it is easy to connect incorrectly. > > If it is normally closed then does that result in the buzzer operating continually on the ground until above the stall speed? > I think that would eventually get to be a bit of a pain, especially during long holds on the ground. > > -------- > Regards > > Kelv Weston > Kit 497 > kelv@kdweston.biz > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470288#470288 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:28 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Aeroelectric Connection From: "clivesutton" I have a surplus 2007/Rev 11 copy of the above publication - does anyone want it? 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