---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/22/17: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:08 AM - No longer application needed for homebuilts to enter Belgium (Roland) 2. 03:48 AM - Re: No longer application needed for homebuilts to enter Belgium (David Watts) 3. 04:21 AM - Re: No longer application needed for homebuilts to enter Belgium (Paul Mansfield) 4. 04:34 AM - Re: No longer application needed for homebuilts to enter Belgium (Brian Davies) 5. 05:46 AM - Trip to Spain (david park) 6. 06:25 AM - Club AGM - Saturday Evening Food (Nigel Graham) 7. 06:34 AM - Re: Trip to Spain (Richard Scanlan) 8. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Landing Light Positioning (GTH) 9. 07:47 AM - Re: Trip to Spain (david park) 10. 08:12 AM - Re: Trip to Spain (david park) 11. 09:11 AM - Re: Trip to Spain (Richard Scanlan) 12. 10:00 AM - Re: No longer application needed for homebuilts to enter Belgium (houlihan tim) 13. 10:44 AM - Re: Trip to Spain (david park) 14. 11:06 AM - Re: Landing Light Positioning (spcialeffects) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:19 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: No longer application needed for homebuilts to enter Belgium From: "Roland" I didn't find a link yet, but on PPRUNE I found: PRESS RELEASE 21 June 2017 For immediate release In a joint effort the European Federation of Light, Experimental & Vintage Aircraft (EFLEVA), the Vereniging Vlaamse MotorVliegclubs (VVMV) and the Belgian Aviation Authorities we are pleased to announce that amateur-built and certain historic aircraft registered in European Civil Aviation Conference (ECAC) member states no longer require a permit to over fly Belgian territory for 30 days in a calendar year. A Royal Decr has been published on 21 June 2017 which confirms and details this change. It comes in effect on 1 July. That's Europe how it SHOULD be :-) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470363#470363 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: No longer application needed for homebuilts to enter Belgium From: David Watts Yippee, fantastic news and about time. Ostend, here we come again, we love it there but have effectively been denied for some years. Dave Watts, G-BXDY Classic Mono > On 22 Jun 2017, at 11:07, Roland wrote: > > > I didn't find a link yet, but on PPRUNE I found: > > PRESS RELEASE 21 June 2017 For immediate release In a joint effort the European Federation of Light, Experimental & Vintage Aircraft (EFLEVA), the Vereniging Vlaamse MotorVliegclubs (VVMV) and the Belgian Aviation Authorities we are pleased to announce that amateur-built and certain historic aircraft registered in European Civil Aviation Conference (ECAC) member states no longer require a permit to over fly Belgian territory for 30 days in a calendar year. A Royal Decr has been published on 21 June 2017 which confirms and details this change. It comes in effect on 1 July. > > That's Europe how it SHOULD be :-) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470363#470363 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:21 AM PST US From: Paul Mansfield Subject: RE: Europa-List: No longer application needed for homebuilts to enter Belgium https://www.ecac-ceac.org/home-built-aircraft and https://www.ecac-ceac.org/documents/10189/0/HomeBuiltAircraft2015-09.pdf/f6a1d257-bb36-4a89-9043-bc49387663c7 might help... although it still lists for Belgium: Country IMPLEMENTATION STATUS OF ECAC RECOMMENDATION BELGIUM NO Paul M 383 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts Sent: 22 June 2017 11:48 Subject: Re: Europa-List: No longer application needed for homebuilts to enter Belgium Yippee, fantastic news and about time. Ostend, here we come again, we love it there but have effectively been denied for some years. Dave Watts, G-BXDY Classic Mono > On 22 Jun 2017, at 11:07, Roland wrote: > > > I didn't find a link yet, but on PPRUNE I found: > > PRESS RELEASE 21 June 2017 For immediate release In a joint effort the European Federation of Light, Experimental & Vintage Aircraft (EFLEVA), the Vereniging Vlaamse MotorVliegclubs (VVMV) and the Belgian Aviation Authorities we are pleased to announce that amateur-built and certain historic aircraft registered in European Civil Aviation Conference (ECAC) member states no longer require a permit to over fly Belgian territory for 30 days in a calendar year. A Royal Decr has been published on 21 June 2017 which confirms and details this change. It comes in effect on 1 July. > > That's Europe how it SHOULD be :-) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470363#470363 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:57 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: No longer application needed for homebuilts to enter Belgium Full details are on the LAA website. It may take a short while for all info sources to be updated. Regards Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mansfield Sent: 22 June 2017 12:21 Subject: RE: Europa-List: No longer application needed for homebuilts to enter Belgium --> https://www.ecac-ceac.org/home-built-aircraft and https://www.ecac-ceac.org/documents/10189/0/HomeBuiltAircraft2015-09.pdf/f6a1d257-bb36-4a89-9043-bc49387663c7 might help... although it still lists for Belgium: Country IMPLEMENTATION STATUS OF ECAC RECOMMENDATION BELGIUM NO Paul M 383 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts Sent: 22 June 2017 11:48 Subject: Re: Europa-List: No longer application needed for homebuilts to enter Belgium Yippee, fantastic news and about time. Ostend, here we come again, we love it there but have effectively been denied for some years. Dave Watts, G-BXDY Classic Mono > On 22 Jun 2017, at 11:07, Roland wrote: > > > I didn't find a link yet, but on PPRUNE I found: > > PRESS RELEASE 21 June 2017 For immediate release In a joint effort the European Federation of Light, Experimental & Vintage Aircraft (EFLEVA), the Vereniging Vlaamse MotorVliegclubs (VVMV) and the Belgian Aviation Authorities we are pleased to announce that amateur-built and certain historic aircraft registered in European Civil Aviation Conference (ECAC) member states no longer require a permit to over fly Belgian territory for 30 days in a calendar year. A Royal Decr has been published on 21 June 2017 which confirms and details this change. It comes in effect on 1 July. > > That's Europe how it SHOULD be :-) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470363#470363 > > > > > > > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:08 AM PST US From: david park Subject: Europa-List: Trip to Spain Last year three Europas had a successful trip through Spain and Portugal including Gibraltar. I am planning a repeat this July with a possible start date around 17th July. The trip will take around ten days taking in Segovia and Granada which we missed last year, and as many other aeroports as we can. Please contact me if you wish to join the group which is two Europas at present. Permission will be required from Spanish and Portugese authorities so early decision will be helpful. Regards Dave Park G-LDVO Mob. 07789 755301 Home. 0161 282 2137 Dpark748@icloud.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:56 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Club AGM - Saturday Evening Food From: "Nigel Graham" It looks like the weather might play ball this weekend for the club AGM at Popham. https://www.flyer.co.uk/weather/ I was planning on staying over on Saturday evening to have a few beers and had decided to fire up the barbie to do some food for myself. It turns out others will be staying over too and have requested food. So, I'm planning on a Pealla and can probably cater for around ten (limited by the size of the paella pan and the number of tiger prawns, squid and chicken I have). If you're planning on camping overnight on Saturday after the official proceedings, and would like to be fed and watered (I have stocked up on some craft beers and cider), could you let me know and I can provision accordingly. Cost of food and beer will be at cost. If you're interested, contact me off list to "book a slot". I'll assign places on a first come first served basis. Nigel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470369#470369 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:35 AM PST US From: Richard Scanlan Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trip to Spain David, Visit www.cavok.pt for the latest notam re GA visiting Portugal. It has unfortunately become more onerous with at least 10 days notice with ANAC in or out through selected airfields. Regards Richard S Sent from my iPad > On 22 Jun 2017, at 13:45, david park wrote: > > > Last year three Europas had a successful trip through Spain and Portugal including Gibraltar. > I am planning a repeat this July with a possible start date around 17th July. > The trip will take around ten days taking in Segovia and Granada which we missed last year, and as many other aeroports as we can. > Please contact me if you wish to join the group which is two Europas at present. > Permission will be required from Spanish and Portugese authorities so early decision will be helpful. > > Regards > Dave Park > G-LDVO > Mob. 07789 755301 > Home. 0161 282 2137 > Dpark748@icloud.com > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Landing Light Positioning From: GTH Le 21/06/2017 06:58, italianjon a crit : > > @Graham, > > I'm not under the LAA scheme, therefore MOD approval isn't an issue for me. > Hi all, The best position for a landing light seems to me somewhere on (under ?) the left wing, so it is very helpful for the pilot to judge flaring height in the dark. Some put them under the cowl, but we usually lose sight of the beam at the exact moment we would find it useful. FWIW -- Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trip to Spain From: david park I saw that, i haven't studied it yet but it refers to extra EU flights and international flights in to Portugal. Need to get some clarification?? Dave Park > On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:33, Richard Scanlan wrote: > > > David, > Visit www.cavok.pt for the latest notam re GA visiting Portugal. It has unfortunately become more onerous with at least 10 days notice with ANAC in or out through selected airfields. > Regards > Richard S > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 22 Jun 2017, at 13:45, david park wrote: >> >> >> Last year three Europas had a successful trip through Spain and Portugal including Gibraltar. >> I am planning a repeat this July with a possible start date around 17th July. >> The trip will take around ten days taking in Segovia and Granada which we missed last year, and as many other aeroports as we can. >> Please contact me if you wish to join the group which is two Europas at present. >> Permission will be required from Spanish and Portugese authorities so early decision will be helpful. >> >> Regards >> Dave Park >> G-LDVO >> Mob. 07789 755301 >> Home. 0161 282 2137 >> Dpark748@icloud.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trip to Spain From: david park Richard, Are you referring to Notam A1924 /17? Dave Park > On 22 Jun 2017, at 15:47, david park wrote: > > > I saw that, i haven't studied it yet but it refers to extra EU flights and international flights in to Portugal. > Need to get some clarification?? > > Dave Park > > >> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:33, Richard Scanlan wrote: >> >> >> David, >> Visit www.cavok.pt for the latest notam re GA visiting Portugal. It has unfortunately become more onerous with at least 10 days notice with ANAC in or out through selected airfields. >> Regards >> Richard S >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 13:45, david park wrote: >>> >>> >>> Last year three Europas had a successful trip through Spain and Portugal including Gibraltar. >>> I am planning a repeat this July with a possible start date around 17th July. >>> The trip will take around ten days taking in Segovia and Granada which we missed last year, and as many other aeroports as we can. >>> Please contact me if you wish to join the group which is two Europas at present. >>> Permission will be required from Spanish and Portugese authorities so early decision will be helpful. >>> >>> Regards >>> Dave Park >>> G-LDVO >>> Mob. 07789 755301 >>> Home. 0161 282 2137 >>> Dpark748@icloud.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:38 AM PST US From: Richard Scanlan Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trip to Spain Yes and A1919/17A02. We're not sure if common sense will prevail, but the current situation is this. Halfway down the notam you will see some 24 a/f where you can enter/depart. I will pm you with my mail from Jose at Cavok with instructions. Richard Sent from my iPad > On 22 Jun 2017, at 16:12, david park wrote: > > > Richard, > Are you referring to Notam A1924 /17? > > Dave Park > > >> On 22 Jun 2017, at 15:47, david park wrote: >> >> >> I saw that, i haven't studied it yet but it refers to extra EU flights and international flights in to Portugal. >> Need to get some clarification?? >> >> Dave Park >> >> >>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:33, Richard Scanlan wrote: >>> >>> >>> David, >>> Visit www.cavok.pt for the latest notam re GA visiting Portugal. It has unfortunately become more onerous with at least 10 days notice with ANAC in or out through selected airfields. >>> Regards >>> Richard S >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 13:45, david park wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Last year three Europas had a successful trip through Spain and Portugal including Gibraltar. >>>> I am planning a repeat this July with a possible start date around 17th July. >>>> The trip will take around ten days taking in Segovia and Granada which we missed last year, and as many other aeroports as we can. >>>> Please contact me if you wish to join the group which is two Europas at present. >>>> Permission will be required from Spanish and Portugese authorities so early decision will be helpful. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Dave Park >>>> G-LDVO >>>> Mob. 07789 755301 >>>> Home. 0161 282 2137 >>>> Dpark748@icloud.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:51 AM PST US From: houlihan tim Subject: RE: Europa-List: No longer application needed for homebuilts to enter Belgium Don't all rush , unless you have made plans for the Belgium fly in this we ekend wait for the new scheme to come into effect on 1st July Tim > > On 22 June 2017 at 12:20 Paul Mansfield wro te: > > > > > https://www.ecac-ceac.org/home-built-aircraft > and > > https://www.ecac-ceac.org/documents/10189/0/HomeBuiltAircraft2015-09.p df/f6a1d257-bb36-4a89-9043-bc49387663c7 > > might help... although it still lists for Belgium: > > Country IMPLEMENTATION STATUS OF ECAC RECOMMENDATION > BELGIUM NO > > Paul M 383 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts > Sent: 22 June 2017 11:48 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: No longer application needed for homebuilts to > enter Belgium > > > > Yippee, fantastic news and about time. > Ostend, here we come again, we love it there but have effectively bee n > denied for some years. > > Dave Watts, > G-BXDY Classic Mono > > > On 22 Jun 2017, at 11:07, Roland wrote: > > > > > > I didn't find a link yet, but on PPRUNE I found: > > > > PRESS RELEASE =93 21 June 2017 For immediate release In a joi nt effort the > > European Federation of Light, Experimental & Vintage Aircraft (EFLE VA), > > the Vereniging Vlaamse MotorVliegclubs (VVMV) and the Belgian Aviat ion > > Authorities we are pleased to announce that amateur-built and certa in > > historic aircraft registered in European Civil Aviation Conference > > (ECAC) member states no longer require a permit to over fly Belgian > > territory for 30 days in a calendar year. A Royal Decr=C3=A9 has be en > > published on 21 June 2017 which confirms and details this change. I t > > comes in effect on 1 July. > > > > That's Europe how it SHOULD be :-) > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470363#470363 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ============ ============ ============ ============ > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trip to Spain From: david park Thanks Richard Dave Park > On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:10, Richard Scanlan wrote: > > > Yes and A1919/17A02. We're not sure if common sense will prevail, but the current situation is this. Halfway down the notam you will see some 24 a/f where you can enter/depart. I will pm you with my mail from Jose at Cavok with instructions. > Richard > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 22 Jun 2017, at 16:12, david park wrote: >> >> >> Richard, >> Are you referring to Notam A1924 /17? >> >> Dave Park >> >> >>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 15:47, david park wrote: >>> >>> >>> I saw that, i haven't studied it yet but it refers to extra EU flights and international flights in to Portugal. >>> Need to get some clarification?? >>> >>> Dave Park >>> >>> >>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:33, Richard Scanlan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> David, >>>> Visit www.cavok.pt for the latest notam re GA visiting Portugal. It has unfortunately become more onerous with at least 10 days notice with ANAC in or out through selected airfields. >>>> Regards >>>> Richard S >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 13:45, david park wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Last year three Europas had a successful trip through Spain and Portugal including Gibraltar. >>>>> I am planning a repeat this July with a possible start date around 17th July. >>>>> The trip will take around ten days taking in Segovia and Granada which we missed last year, and as many other aeroports as we can. >>>>> Please contact me if you wish to join the group which is two Europas at present. >>>>> Permission will be required from Spanish and Portugese authorities so early decision will be helpful. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Dave Park >>>>> G-LDVO >>>>> Mob. 07789 755301 >>>>> Home. 0161 282 2137 >>>>> Dpark748@icloud.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:00 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Landing Light Positioning From: "spcialeffects" Jon if you send me an email to Spcialeffects@aol.com i will send you a photo of my landing lights. I am building a classic (foam wings) mono wheel and have incorporated them into the outrigger speed fairings. 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