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Wed 09/06/17


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 12:22 AM - Re: My BIG DAY (clivesutton)
     2. 01:33 AM - Re: Re: Alignment of pitot tube (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
     3. 03:46 AM - Tri-gear speed kit (jonathanmilbank)
     4. 04:22 AM - Re: My BIG DAY (Kingsley Hurst)
     5. 04:38 AM - Re: My BIG DAY (Paul Mansfield)
     6. 09:02 AM - Rebuilding my panel (=?utf-8?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=C3=B8rensen?=)
     7. 10:43 AM - Re: Alignment of pitot tube (Alex Kaarsberg)
     8. 12:12 PM - Re: My BIG DAY (GTH)
     9. 01:13 PM - Re: Rebuilding my panel (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
    10. 04:17 PM - Re: Rebuilding my panel (Pete)
    11. 11:09 PM - Re: Rebuilding my panel (=?utf-8?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=C3=B8rensen?=)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:22:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: My BIG DAY
    From: "clivesutton" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
    A hearty congrats Kingsley, it's no small achievement to build and fly your own plane, and (for me anyway) it's been one of life's milestones. Do share more about your mainwheel fairings, i'm interested. Clive Sutton G-YETI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472545#472545


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    Time: 01:33:24 AM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: Re: Alignment of pitot tube
    Tony, I suspect you just might be overthinking it. I would expect the dynamic pressure on the pitot tube to relate to the cos of the angle to the air flow and cosines of small angles are very close to one - hence for instance minor angular deviations from a direct line route make very little difference to total distance travelled. In fact cos 85 degrees is 0.9962, so 5 degrees off straight gives less than 0.4% difference, barely perceptible in our speed range. would place it where the manual suggests (or possibly where the premoulded position is on the XS wing if you have access to one) and then angle the tube parallel to the underwing surface there as airflow is bound to be close to parallelto the surface locally. I suspect that its position on the wing is more important than the precise pitch angle but you could assume the Europa recommended position is best as long as your pitot is not significantly shorter or longer than the standard one. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ On 2017-09-05 22:40, tonyvaccarella wrote: > > Thanks David, > > This is the initial installation as the aircraft has not flown yet. The way I see it I could make the pitot tube parallel to: > > 1) the Chord Line > 2) the bottom wing (not sure if they are the same) or > 3) the flight path > > Am I overthinking this? > > Many thanks > Tony > > -------- > Tony Vaccarella > Mascot NSW 2020 > Sydney Australia > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472530#472530 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472530#472530 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 03:46:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Tri-gear speed kit
    From: "jonathanmilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
    I'm considering fitting the speed kit and have a few questions. How much does the whole kit weigh? How much speed is REALLY added, because I'm sceptical about the 10 knot increase which is claimed by some? Which components of the kit give the most speed benefit? Does anyone have such a kit for sale second-hand in good condition? Thanks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472547#472547


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    Time: 04:22:52 AM PST US
    From: "Kingsley Hurst" <kingsnjan@westnet.com.au>
    Subject: Re: My BIG DAY
    Thank you one and all for your kind words and encouragement both on and off list. I=99m really quite surprised at the level of support given so many have already gone before. . . . guess it proves we don=99t have to all purchase a Toyota to enjoy that =9COh! what a feeling=9D experience. Also proves of course what a great band of people we have on our Europa List. Graeme Engine is the plain original 912 80 HP Tim In case you haven=99t noticed, it is the same distance across the ditch in both directions . . . . . I=99m waiting on you mate to show me how it=99s done!! Jonathan Your observations and assumptions were 100% correct my friend. David GXSDJ I will endeavour to oblige as requested for the Europa Flyer but it may take a little time sorry. Pete One of my Grandsons has insisted I install his Go Pro so hopefully there may be some more footage one day. Clive My mainwheel fairing is not a work of art like some but I=99ll send you something off list. Cheers Kingsley PS Haven=99t had a chance to commit aviation again yet . . . . Life is already getting in the way of flying just as it did with the building! and people asked me what I was going to do in retirement???


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    Time: 04:38:20 AM PST US
    From: Paul Mansfield <europaul383@hotmail.com>
    Subject: My BIG DAY
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    Time: 09:02:48 AM PST US
    From: =?utf-8?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=C3=B8rensen?= <stabelvej9@gmail.com>
    Subject: Rebuilding my panel
    Hi I am planning to rebuild my panel this coming winter after I have been flying 700 hrs during ten years with the current configuration. Planning to take away all vacuum and build a new panel around a Garmin G3X Touch with remote autopilot, transponder, com-radio and GPS. Have a little challenge in planning this operation Cannot find an on-line tempplate for the 7 G3X, and what about the wire-harness ? Do I build that myself, or .. ? Would very much like to get in contact with other Europa builders who have been working with this system from Garmin. Regards Gert OY-GDS - 914 - Wood-comp, and still smiling :)


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    Time: 10:43:12 AM PST US
    From: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsberg@terra.com.br>
    Subject: Re: Alignment of pitot tube
    Tony, I'd expect it should have to be parallel to the airflow in cruise attitude, not that a few degrees would make much difference... Regards, Alex Kaarsberg > On 5 Sep 2017, at 07:24, tonyvaccarella <tony@weimagine.com.au> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Im installing a heated pitot tube on my Classic wing. Im trying to determine how I should align the tube to the airflow. I would have assumed that the pitot tube be pointing directly into the airflow but since the wings have a 2.5 deg angle of incidence, I would need to make allowance for that when installing it. > > Ive been advised by other sources that the pitot tube should be aligned to the chord of the wing. > > Your advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers > > Tony > S/N A011 > > -------- > Tony Vaccarella > Mascot NSW 2020 > Sydney Australia > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472500#472500 > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:12:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: My BIG DAY
    From: GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr>
    /Le 05/09/2017 11:58, Kingsley Hurst a crit : / / / > /On Thursday morning last, I conducted the first flight of Classic > Mono VH-CUA from my home at Gatton Airpark in Queensland Australia./ > // Kingsley, Congrats ! -- Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr


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    Time: 01:13:17 PM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: Re: Rebuilding my panel
    Gert, I am at the very end of installing just such a system - a G3X touchMFD (GDU450), a GNC255, a remote GTX 45R transponder, a GPS 25 remote certified GPS, an ADRH, two Garmin autopilot servos and a G5 as a back up for the system. The LAA previously insisted on steam age ASI & altimeter as back up but now accept the G5 as back up for those as well of course as back up horizon, VSIand GPS course. I will happily talk to you off line about it. I have been advised by Manuel Querioz who has been writing a series in the LAA magazine about constructing the ideal panel culminating in just such a selection. It all looks very pretty but I still have the commissioning and testing to do. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2017-09-06 17:01, Gert Dalgaard Srensen wrote: > > Hi > > I am planning to rebuild my panel this coming winter after I have been flying 700 hrs during ten years with the current configuration. > Planning to take away all vacuum and build a new panel around a Garmin G3X Touch with remote autopilot, transponder, com-radio and GPS. > Have a little challenge in planning this operation... > Cannot find an on-line tempplate for the 7" G3X, and what about the wire-harness ...? > Do I build that myself, or .. ? > Would very much like to get in contact with other Europa builders who have been working with this system from Garmin. > > Regards > Gert > > OY-GDS - 914 - Wood-comp, and still smiling ... :) Links: ------ [1] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [2] http://forums.matronics.com [3] http://wiki.matronics.com [4] http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 04:17:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rebuilding my panel
    From: Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
    Pictures! Pictures! :-) (please of course) Cheers and thx, Pete a239 > On Sep 6, 2017, at 4:11 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > > Gert, I am at the very end of installing just such a system - a G3X touchM FD (GDU450), a GNC255, a remote GTX 45R transponder, a GPS 25 remote certifi ed GPS, an ADRH, two Garmin autopilot servos and a G5 as a back up for the system. The LAA previously insisted on steam age ASI & altimeter as back u p but now accept the G5 as back up for those as well of course as back up ho rizon, VSIand GPS course. I will happily talk to you off line about it. I ha ve been advised by Manuel Querioz who has been writing a series in the LAA m agazine about constructing the ideal panel culminating in just such a select ion. It all looks very pretty but I still have the commissioning and testing to do. > > Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ > > > > >> On 2017-09-06 17:01, Gert Dalgaard S=C3=B8rensen wrote: >> ensen?= <stabelvej9@gmail.com> >> >> Hi >> >> I am planning to rebuild my panel this coming winter after I have been fl ying 700 hrs during ten years with the current configuration. >> Planning to take away all vacuum and build a new panel around a Garmin G3 X Touch with remote autopilot, transponder, com-radio and GPS. >> Have a little challenge in planning this operation... >> Cannot find an on-line tempplate for the 7" G3X, and what about the wire- harness ...? >> Do I build that myself, or .. ? >> Would very much like to get in contact with other Europa builders who hav e been working with this system from Garmin. >> >> Regards >> Gert >> >> OY-GDS - 914 - Wood-comp, and still smiling ... :) >> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >> ics.com >> .com >> .matronics.com/contribution >> >> >>


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    Time: 11:09:09 PM PST US
    From: =?utf-8?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=C3=B8rensen?= <stabelvej9@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Rebuilding my panel
    Hi David That is exactly the package I plan for! Q: where did you buy, and do you have a list over the different components needed for doing the installation? Did you build the harness yourself? Regards Gert NB and as Pete said, pictures please :))) > Den 7. sep. 2017 kl. 01.15 skrev Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>: > > Pictures! Pictures! :-) > > (please of course) > > Cheers and thx, > Pete > a239 > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 4:11 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk <mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote: > >> Gert, I am at the very end of installing just such a system - a G3X touchMFD (GDU450), a GNC255, a remote GTX 45R transponder, a GPS 25 remote certified GPS, an ADRH, two Garmin autopilot servos and a G5 as a back up for the system. The LAA previously insisted on steam age ASI & altimeter as back up but now accept the G5 as back up for those as well of course as back up horizon, VSIand GPS course. I will happily talk to you off line about it. I have been advised by Manuel Querioz who has been writing a series in the LAA magazine about constructing the ideal panel culminating in just such a selection. It all looks very pretty but I still have the commissioning and testing to do. >> >> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ >> >> >> >> On 2017-09-06 17:01, Gert Dalgaard S=C3=B8rensen wrote: >> =?utf-8?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=C3=B8rensen?= <stabelvej9@gmail.com <mailto:stabelvej9@gmail.com>> >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> I am planning to rebuild my panel this coming winter after I have been flying 700 hrs during ten years with the current configuration. >>> Planning to take away all vacuum and build a new panel around a Garmin G3X Touch with remote autopilot, transponder, com-radio and GPS. >>> Have a little challenge in planning this operation... >>> Cannot find an on-line tempplate for the 7" G3X, and what about the wire-harness ...? >>> Do I build that myself, or .. ? >>> Would very much like to get in contact with other Europa builders who have been working with this system from Garmin. >>> >>> Regards >>> Gert >>> >>> OY-GDS - 914 - Wood-comp, and still smiling ... :) >>> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >>> ics.com <http://ics.com/> >>> .com >>> .matronics.com/contribution <http://matronics.com/contribution> >>> >>> >>>




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