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1. 12:09 AM - Re: My BIG DAY (spcialeffects)
2. 12:26 AM - Re: My BIG DAY (Tim Ward)
3. 12:43 AM - Re: Tri-gear speed kit (Roland)
4. 01:39 AM - Re: Rebuilding my panel (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
5. 01:43 AM - Re: Re: Tri-gear speed kit (Alan Burrill)
6. 02:10 AM - Re: Tri-gear speed kit (John Wighton)
7. 02:23 AM - Re: Re: Tri-gear speed kit (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net)
8. 02:27 AM - Re: Re: Tri-gear speed kit (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net)
9. 03:32 AM - Re: Re: Tri-gear speed kit (Kevin Challis)
10. 04:44 AM - Re: Re: Tri-gear speed kit (Pete)
11. 08:54 AM - 170cm propeller diameter (olihqt)
12. 09:09 AM - Re: Tri-gear speed kit (Roland)
13. 10:53 AM - Re: Rebuilding my panel (Pete)
14. 11:04 AM - Re: Rebuilding my panel (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
15. 12:36 PM - Re: Rebuilding my panel (Pete)
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Many congratulations, I hope to experience what your feeling in the not to distant
future. Well done
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Hi Kingsley,
I know I should lead the way. However the winds are against me so you would g
et over here first!
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
> On 6/09/2017, at 11:21 PM, Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan@westnet.com.au> wrote
:
>
> Thank you one and all for your kind words and encouragement both on and of
f list. I=99m really quite surprised at the level of support given so
many have already gone before. . . . guess it proves we don=99t have
to all purchase a Toyota to enjoy that =9COh! what a feeling=9D
experience. Also proves of course what a great band of people we have on o
ur Europa List.
>
> Graeme Engine is the plain original 912 80 HP
>
> Tim In case you haven=99t noticed, it is the same distance ac
ross the ditch in both directions . . . . . I=99m waiting on you mate t
o show me how it=99s done!!
>
> Jonathan Your observations and assumptions were 100% correct my friend.
>
> David GXSDJ I will endeavour to oblige as requested for the Europa Fly
er but it may take a little time sorry.
>
> Pete One of my Grandsons has insisted I install his Go Pro so hopefully
there may be some more footage one day.
>
> Clive My mainwheel fairing is not a work of art like some but I=99
ll send you something off list.
>
>
> Cheers
> Kingsley
>
> PS Haven=99t had a chance to commit aviation again yet . . . . L
ife is already getting in the way of flying just as it did with the building
! and people asked me what I was going to do in retirement???
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-gear speed kit |
Hi Jonathan,
I bought my XS Trigear second hand, so cannot comment on the actual weight or the
difference it makes in speed. As with other figures I'd consider the values
claimed by Europa as rather optimistic.
FWIW my Europa with the complete speed kit does exactly 130KIAS/154KTAS @ 10.000
ft in standard atmosphere +10C with just me on board and full tank at MCP with
the Rotax 914 and CS-prop.
Cheers
Roland
XS TG 914
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding my panel |
Pete, A preliminary picture - not set up yet - still thinking I am in US
(although it has worked that one out now). My old 496 kept for
sentiments sake and because plenty of room on panel. Incidentally my new
Beringer brake system also shown.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2017-09-07 00:15, Pete wrote:
> Pictures! Pictures! :-)
>
> (please of course)
>
> Cheers and thx,
> Pete
> a239
>
> On Sep 6, 2017, at 4:11 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Gert, I am at the very end of installing just such a system - a G3X touchMFD
(GDU450), a GNC255, a remote GTX 45R transponder, a GPS 25 remote certified GPS,
an ADRH, two Garmin autopilot servos and a G5 as a back up for the system.
The LAA previously insisted on steam age ASI & altimeter as back up but now accept
the G5 as back up for those as well of course as back up horizon, VSIand
GPS course. I will happily talk to you off line about it. I have been advised
by Manuel Querioz who has been writing a series in the LAA magazine about constructing
the ideal panel culminating in just such a selection. It all looks very
pretty but I still have the commissioning and testing to do.
>
> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
> On 2017-09-06 17:01, Gert Dalgaard Srensen wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> I am planning to rebuild my panel this coming winter after I have been flying
700 hrs during ten years with the current configuration.
> Planning to take away all vacuum and build a new panel around a Garmin G3X Touch
with remote autopilot, transponder, com-radio and GPS.
> Have a little challenge in planning this operation...
> Cannot find an on-line tempplate for the 7" G3X, and what about the wire-harness
...?
> Do I build that myself, or .. ?
> Would very much like to get in contact with other Europa builders who have been
working with this system from Garmin.
>
> Regards
> Gert
>
> OY-GDS - 914 - Wood-comp, and still smiling ... :)
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-gear speed kit |
I had occasion to fly my Tri-gear, 912S, without the wheel spats during last winter
because of the soggy conditions and mud.
Knocked around 5Kts off the cruise so I surmise that each of the parts over the
flap hinges etc contribute a little to overall speed gain. Not weighed the spats
though so might do that next time I have them removed.
Alan
G-OBJT
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-gear speed kit |
The speedkit is probably worth 10kts. A REALLY good surface finish and polish
is worth 5kts. Diving gently into a cruise by progressively applying down trim
is also worth a few kts. I first noticed this on a DA20, climb into the cruise
and it struggled to keep up with a C152, dive into the cruise and it would
do 110kts.
Adding a camera anywhere (on a go-pro type mount) -is -5kts.
JW
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John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-gear speed kit |
5 knots at cruise is about the same as I can report without wheel fairings (mine
is a taildragger with similar 500x5 wheels). And is also about what RV pilots
have noted (6" wheels).
However, both on mine and the RVs, it is the leg fairings that make the biggest
difference (about 10 knots).
Similarly, a tailwheel fairing is reported on RVs to be worth about 2 to 3 knots,
which is what I've recorded (at Vne) on the TD. Haven't tried a tailwheel leg
fairing (yet).
Duncan McF.
----Original Message----
From: alanb@dpy01.co.uk
Subj: Re: Europa-List: Re: Tri-gear speed kit
I had occasion to fly my Tri-gear, 912S, without the wheel spats during last winter
because of the soggy conditions and mud.
Knocked around 5Kts off the cruise so I surmise that each of the parts over the
flap hinges etc contribute a little to overall speed gain. Not weighed the spats
though so might do that next time I have them removed.
Alan
G-OBJT
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-gear speed kit |
John,
Please define "..good surface finish and polish"! I tried that before (using a
micromesh kit) starting from the status of a mediocre (cf Renault?) automotive
finish, and it made no difference at all.
Duncan McF.
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From: john@wighton.net
Subj: Europa-List: Re: Tri-gear speed kit
The speedkit is probably worth 10kts. A REALLY good surface finish and polish
is worth 5kts. Diving gently into a cruise by progressively applying down trim
is also worth a few kts. I first noticed this on a DA20, climb into the cruise
and it struggled to keep up with a C152, dive into the cruise and it would
do 110kts.
Adding a camera anywhere (on a go-pro type mount) -is -5kts.
JW
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John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-gear speed kit |
GoPro under the wing NO speed difference.
Kevin Challis
> On 7 Sep 2017, at 10:09, John Wighton <john@wighton.net> wrote:
>
>
> The speedkit is probably worth 10kts. A REALLY good surface finish and polish
is worth 5kts. Diving gently into a cruise by progressively applying down trim
is also worth a few kts. I first noticed this on a DA20, climb into the cruise
and it struggled to keep up with a C152, dive into the cruise and it would
do 110kts.
>
> Adding a camera anywhere (on a go-pro type mount) -is -5kts.
>
> JW
>
> --------
> John Wighton
> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-gear speed kit |
Curious, what rpm and manifold pressure?
Thx,
Pete
A239
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:42 AM, Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> I bought my XS Trigear second hand, so cannot comment on the actual weight or
the difference it makes in speed. As with other figures I'd consider the values
claimed by Europa as rather optimistic.
>
> FWIW my Europa with the complete speed kit does exactly 130KIAS/154KTAS @ 10.000
ft in standard atmosphere +10C with just me on board and full tank at MCP
with the Rotax 914 and CS-prop.
>
> Cheers
> Roland
> XS TG 914
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472571#472571
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| Subject: | 170cm propeller diameter |
Hello,
currently I have a 62 "warpdrive helice and I will change to an e-props. The distance
between my current propeller and the ground is currently 30.5cm (12").
it is advisable to put a propeller of 170cm in diameter (67 "), in this case,
there should be 24cm (9.4") between the ground and the propeller. do you think
this calculation is correct or is it better to take a diameter 165cm (65 ")?
Thanks
Olivier
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-gear speed kit |
35 InHg@5500RPM. That is 100% (100HP) out of 115% = throttle position at the detent.
The 914 is capable for MCP up to 16.000ft, so that TAS should increase >10.000ft.
However, I didn't test it there, although I've been up to FL200.
Regards
Roland
XS TG 914
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding my panel |
Looks great! Did the G5 give any issues since the panel is canted in relati
on to the direction of travel? Can it be calibrated to accommodate? Im also
curious what the G3x does without engine instruments, is it just missing fr
om the menus?
Cheers and thx,
Pete
A239
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 4:36 AM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Pete, A preliminary picture - not set up yet - still thinking I am in US (
although it has worked that one out now). My old 496 kept for sentiments sak
e and because plenty of room on panel. Incidentally my new Beringer brake sy
stem also shown.
>
> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
>
>
>
>> On 2017-09-07 00:15, Pete wrote:
>>
>>
>> Pictures! Pictures! :-)
>>
>> (please of course)
>>
>> Cheers and thx,
>> Pete
>> a239
>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 4:11 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> Gert, I am at the very end of installing just such a system - a G3X touc
hMFD (GDU450), a GNC255, a remote GTX 45R transponder, a GPS 25 remote certi
fied GPS, an ADRH, two Garmin autopilot servos and a G5 as a back up for t
he system. The LAA previously insisted on steam age ASI & altimeter as back
up but now accept the G5 as back up for those as well of course as back up h
orizon, VSIand GPS course. I will happily talk to you off line about it. I h
ave been advised by Manuel Querioz who has been writing a series in the LAA m
agazine about constructing the ideal panel culminating in just such a select
ion. It all looks very pretty but I still have the commissioning and testing
to do.
>>>
>>> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-09-06 17:01, Gert Dalgaard S=C3=B8rensen wrote:
>>>
rensen?= <stabelvej9@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I am planning to rebuild my panel this coming winter after I have been f
lying 700 hrs during ten years with the current configuration.
>>> Planning to take away all vacuum and build a new panel around a Garmin G
3X Touch with remote autopilot, transponder, com-radio and GPS.
>>> Have a little challenge in planning this operation...
>>> Cannot find an on-line tempplate for the 7" G3X, and what about the wire
-harness ...?
>>> Do I build that myself, or .. ?
>>> Would very much like to get in contact with other Europa builders who ha
ve been working with this system from Garmin.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gert
>>>
>>> OY-GDS - 914 - Wood-comp, and still smiling ... :)
>>> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
>>> ics.com
>>> .com
>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding my panel |
Pete, I can only answer your first question when I have flown it, but
there is I believe a setting up whilst straight & level for the G5 and
it is on a Can bus with the G3X system and subservient to that whilst it
is switched on so I do not anticipate problems of that sort. The G3X
needs an extra module to give all engine data and has to be set up to
display it. I positively did not want that, preferring to keep my engine
data separately, with purpose designed warning system and not cluttering
my EFIS.
Regards, David
On 2017-09-07 18:51, Pete wrote:
> Looks great! Did the G5 give any issues since the panel is canted in relation
to the direction of travel? Can it be calibrated to accommodate? Im also curious
what the G3x does without engine instruments, is it just missing from the
menus?
>
> Cheers and thx,
> Pete
> A239
>
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 4:36 AM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Pete, A preliminary picture - not set up yet - still thinking I am in US (although
it has worked that one out now). My old 496 kept for sentiments sake and
because plenty of room on panel. Incidentally my new Beringer brake system also
shown.
>
> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
> On 2017-09-07 00:15, Pete wrote:
>
> Pictures! Pictures! :-)
>
> (please of course)
>
> Cheers and thx,
> Pete
> a239
>
> On Sep 6, 2017, at 4:11 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Gert, I am at the very end of installing just such a system - a G3X touchMFD
(GDU450), a GNC255, a remote GTX 45R transponder, a GPS 25 remote certified GPS,
an ADRH, two Garmin autopilot servos and a G5 as a back up for the system.
The LAA previously insisted on steam age ASI & altimeter as back up but now accept
the G5 as back up for those as well of course as back up horizon, VSIand
GPS course. I will happily talk to you off line about it. I have been advised
by Manuel Querioz who has been writing a series in the LAA magazine about constructing
the ideal panel culminating in just such a selection. It all looks very
pretty but I still have the commissioning and testing to do.
>
> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
> On 2017-09-06 17:01, Gert Dalgaard Srensen wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> I am planning to rebuild my panel this coming winter after I have been flying
700 hrs during ten years with the current configuration.
> Planning to take away all vacuum and build a new panel around a Garmin G3X Touch
with remote autopilot, transponder, com-radio and GPS.
> Have a little challenge in planning this operation...
> Cannot find an on-line tempplate for the 7" G3X, and what about the wire-harness
...?
> Do I build that myself, or .. ?
> Would very much like to get in contact with other Europa builders who have been
working with this system from Garmin.
>
> Regards
> Gert
>
> OY-GDS - 914 - Wood-comp, and still smiling ... :)
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
> ics.com [1]
> .com
> .matronics.com/contribution [2]
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding my panel |
Thx, looks great!
(And do please keep us posted with all your installation experiences :)
Cheers and thx,
Pete
A239
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 2:03 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Pete, I can only answer your first question when I have flown it, but ther
e is I believe a setting up whilst straight & level for the G5 and it is on a
Can bus with the G3X system and subservient to that whilst it is switched o
n so I do not anticipate problems of that sort. The G3X needs an extra modul
e to give all engine data and has to be set up to display it. I positively d
id not want that, preferring to keep my engine data separately, with purpose
designed warning system and not cluttering my EFIS.
>
> Regards, David
>
>
>
>
>> On 2017-09-07 18:51, Pete wrote:
>>
>>
>> Looks great! Did the G5 give any issues since the panel is canted in rel
ation to the direction of travel? Can it be calibrated to accommodate? Im a
lso curious what the G3x does without engine instruments, is it just missing
from the menus?
>>
>> Cheers and thx,
>> Pete
>> A239
>>
>>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 4:36 AM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> Pete, A preliminary picture - not set up yet - still thinking I am in US
(although it has worked that one out now). My old 496 kept for sentiments s
ake and because plenty of room on panel. Incidentally my new Beringer brake s
ystem also shown.
>>>
>>> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-09-07 00:15, Pete wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Pictures! Pictures! :-)
>>>
>>> (please of course)
>>>
>>> Cheers and thx,
>>> Pete
>>> a239
>>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 4:11 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> Gert, I am at the very end of installing just such a system - a G3X touc
hMFD (GDU450), a GNC255, a remote GTX 45R transponder, a GPS 25 remote certi
fied GPS, an ADRH, two Garmin autopilot servos and a G5 as a back up for t
he system. The LAA previously insisted on steam age ASI & altimeter as back
up but now accept the G5 as back up for those as well of course as back up h
orizon, VSIand GPS course. I will happily talk to you off line about it. I h
ave been advised by Manuel Querioz who has been writing a series in the LAA m
agazine about constructing the ideal panel culminating in just such a select
ion. It all looks very pretty but I still have the commissioning and testing
to do.
>>>
>>> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-09-06 17:01, Gert Dalgaard S=C3=B8rensen wrote:
>>>
rensen?= <stabelvej9@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I am planning to rebuild my panel this coming winter after I have been f
lying 700 hrs during ten years with the current configuration.
>>> Planning to take away all vacuum and build a new panel around a Garmin G
3X Touch with remote autopilot, transponder, com-radio and GPS.
>>> Have a little challenge in planning this operation...
>>> Cannot find an on-line tempplate for the 7" G3X, and what about the wire
-harness ...?
>>> Do I build that myself, or .. ?
>>> Would very much like to get in contact with other Europa builders who ha
ve been working with this system from Garmin.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gert
>>>
>>> OY-GDS - 914 - Wood-comp, and still smiling ... :)
>>> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
>>> ics.com
>>> .com
>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <P1020063.JPG>
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