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1. 02:21 AM - Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (JohnFrance)
2. 02:40 AM - Re: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
3. 04:15 AM - Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (olihqt)
4. 05:30 AM - 914 turbo rpm. (philip george)
5. 06:56 AM - Re: My BIG DAY (Kingsley Hurst)
6. 07:02 AM - Re: 914 turbo rpm. (Ken Carpenter)
7. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: Tightening the stainless steel nipple on the carburetor (Paul McAllister)
8. 07:13 AM - Battery (Paul McAllister)
9. 08:37 AM - Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (Nigel Graham)
10. 09:05 AM - Re: 914 turbo rpm. (Robert Borger)
11. 09:46 AM - Re: 914 turbo rpm. (philip george)
12. 10:39 AM - Re: Battery (david park)
13. 11:01 AM - Re: Battery (Ruedi Vogel)
14. 12:17 PM - Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (olihqt)
15. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (Karl Heindl)
16. 03:42 PM - Re: 914 turbo rpm. (Ken Carpenter)
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Subject: | Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear |
Hi Olivier,
I have an Eprops Durandel 80S which is 1.6 m diameter on my mono-wheel using a
912 UL. That is already slightly bigger than the Warp drive 62". I did consider
a bigger prop but was advised against it.
I assume you have a 912ULS on a tri gear so you would require the Durandel 100
S.
The propeller should not be able to contact the ground with the front tyre flat
and the leg fully compressed you will need to find the relevant FAR's
Do you need any information for the DGAC acceptance paperwork as I can supply a
template?
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Europa mono Nr 192
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Subject: | Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear |
Olivier, As I remember it, the LAA will not aprove a propeller larger
than 1.6m on a mono and I suspect the same would apply to a trigear.
Even then I have heard of several being broken with rough landings.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2017-09-08 10:21, JohnFrance wrote:
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> Hi Olivier,
> I have an Eprops Durandel 80S which is 1.6 m diameter on my mono-wheel using
a 912 UL. That is already slightly bigger than the Warp drive 62". I did consider
a bigger prop but was advised against it.
> I assume you have a 912ULS on a tri gear so you would require the Durandel 100
S.
> The propeller should not be able to contact the ground with the front tyre flat
and the leg fully compressed you will need to find the relevant FAR's
> Do you need any information for the DGAC acceptance paperwork as I can supply
a template?
>
> --------
> Europa mono Nr 192
>
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Subject: | Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear |
Hello John
If you could provide me with the DGAC documents, I would be delighted.
Thanks
Olivier olivier.hequet (at)neuf.fr
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Now come on Tim, I thought my wife was good at excuses! I
wasn=99t suggesting you come at 30,000 ft!
One day I just might come over without the plane though!
Best
Kingsley
do not archive
From: Tim Ward
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: My BIG DAY
Hi Kingsley,
I know I should lead the way. However the winds are against me so you
would get over here first!
Tim
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Subject: | Re: 914 turbo rpm. |
I get 5800 with Air master controlled prop. I cut back to 5500 once couple h
undred feet in the air. The max rpm set in the prop hub.
Sent from my iPad
Ken Carpenter
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 8:28 AM, philip george <philipgeorge347@hotmail.com> wr
ote:
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> What sort of rpm. Should be expected at take off with a 914 Turbo at the b
eginning of the take off run and in the climb. Thanks in advance.
> Phil George.
>
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> Sent from my Samsung device
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Subject: | Re: Tightening the stainless steel nipple on the carburetor |
Hi Bud,
I got the carbs back yesterday and I hope to get them installed on the
weekend. As we both know balancing and setting the idle is a PIA :(
I'm thinking of installing one of the lightweight Lithium style batteries
on the fire wall and doing a new weight and balance to see what I get.
After that I'll start tinkering with the tri gear conversion.
Cheers, Paul
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
> Paul,
>
> How=99s the work going on the Europa?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bud Yerly
>
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> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
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> *From: *Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 12:22 PM
> *To: *europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject: *Re: Europa-List: Re: Tightening the stainless steel nipple on
> the carburetor
>
>
> I guess that is one approach. I like to send my carbs to Lockwood and I
> happen to have a second set so I just do an exchange.
>
>
> So... I guess I'm still looking to understand how folks tighten the SS
> nipples in place
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> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:46 AM, h&jeuropa <butcher43@att.net> wrote:
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> Hi Paul,
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> Bud Yerly's advice is to disconnect the SS lines at the fuel pressure
> regulator, rather than at the carbs. That seems to work fine.
>
> Jim
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Hi All,
My trusty Odessey battery has died and gone to heaven (or wherever
batteries go).
I am seeking peoples experience with the new style Lithium batteries, and
in particular what can be sourced in the US.
Thanks, Paul
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Subject: | Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear |
Not sure which standard your aircraft needs to comply with, but CS-VLA contains
some "common sense" advice on propeller clearance.
CS-VLA 925 Propeller clearance
Unless smaller clearances are substantiated,
propeller clearances with the aeroplane at
maximum weight, with the most adverse centre
of gravity, and with the propeller in the most
adverse pitch position, may not be less than the
following:
(a) Ground clearance. There must be a
clearance of at least 180 mm (for each aeroplane
with nose wheel landing gear) or 230 mm (for
each aeroplane with tail wheel landing gear)
between each propeller and the ground with the
landing gear statically deflected and in the level,
normal take-off, or taxying attitude, whichever is
most critical. In addition, for each aeroplane
with conventional landing gear struts using fluid
or mechanical means for absorbing landing
shocks, there must be positive clearance between
the propeller and the ground in the level take-off
attitude with the critical tyre completely deflated
and the corresponding landing gear strut
bottomed. Positive clearance for aeroplanes
using leaf spring struts is shown with a
deflection corresponding to 15 g.
The complete document can be found here:
https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/CS-VLA%20%20Amdt%201%20combined.pdf
Hope that is of some use to you.
Nigel
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Subject: | Re: 914 turbo rpm. |
Phil,
Do you have a fixed pitch or contact speed prop?
My 914 with Airmaster constant speed prop will reach 5800 rpm (max
allowed) on takeoff.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (125 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:28 AM, philip george <philipgeorge347@hotmail.com>
wrote:
What sort of rpm. Should be expected at take off with a 914 Turbo at the
beginning of the take off run and in the climb. Thanks in advance.
Phil George.
Sent from my Samsung device
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Subject: | Re: 914 turbo rpm. |
Hi Robert
It's my friends tri gear Europa undergoing flight testing . It's a Airma
ster constant speed also.
Phil George.
Sent from my Samsung device
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From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo rpm.
Phil,
Do you have a fixed pitch or contact speed prop?
My 914 with Airmaster constant speed prop will reach 5800 rpm (max allowed)
on takeoff.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (125 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com<mailto:rlborger@mac.com>
On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:28 AM, philip george <philipgeorge347@hotmail.com<mail
to:philipgeorge347@hotmail.com>> wrote:
What sort of rpm. Should be expected at take off with a 914 Turbo at the be
ginning of the take off run and in the climb. Thanks in advance.
Phil George.
Sent from my Samsung device
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I fitted the EX 900 no problems so far after operating about 50 hours.
Dave Park
> On 8 Sep 2017, at 15:12, Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> My trusty Odessey battery has died and gone to heaven (or wherever batteries
go).
>
> I am seeking peoples experience with the new style Lithium batteries, and in
particular what can be sourced in the US.
>
> Thanks, Paul
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Hello Paul
I am using Skyrich batteries in mine Europa with Rotax 912S
type HJTX12-FP, since many years in a UL C42 with Rotax 912S,
and a bigger size in mine Grob G109B motor glider for about 4 years.
This batteries are well protected and the price is fair.
I can recommend this batteries to yo. The supplier is located in USA.
See:
http://www.skyrichbattery.com/Lithium-Ion-Battery/c10/index.html?osCsid=bi2llu12d91g0s90q3tkeeqpr2
Best regards
--
Ruedi Vogel
Wiesenweg 6
CH-3380 Wangen a.A.
Am 08.09.2017 um 16:12 schrieb Paul McAllister:
> Hi All,
>
> My trusty Odessey battery has died and gone to heaven (or wherever
> batteries go).
>
> I am seeking peoples experience with the new style Lithium batteries,
> and in particular what can be sourced in the US.
>
> Thanks, Paul
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Subject: | Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear |
John Nigel...thanks for all. I'm inform you as soon as possible.
Bye
Olivier
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Subject: | Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear |
So what then is the required clearance for the trigear ?
My 2-blade Woodcomp is 69.5 inches with a ground clearance of 10 inches.
Cheers,
Karl
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr
onics.com> on behalf of Nigel Graham <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
Sent: 08 September 2017 16:37:26
Subject: Europa-List: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear
.uk>
Not sure which standard your aircraft needs to comply with, but CS-VLA cont
ains some "common sense" advice on propeller clearance.
CS-VLA 925 Propeller clearance
Unless smaller clearances are substantiated,
propeller clearances with the aeroplane at
maximum weight, with the most adverse centre
of gravity, and with the propeller in the most
adverse pitch position, may not be less than the
following:
(a) Ground clearance. There must be a
clearance of at least 180 mm (for each aeroplane
with nose wheel landing gear) or 230 mm (for
each aeroplane with tail wheel landing gear)
between each propeller and the ground with the
landing gear statically deflected and in the level,
normal take-off, or taxying attitude, whichever is
most critical. In addition, for each aeroplane
with conventional landing gear struts using fluid
or mechanical means for absorbing landing
shocks, there must be positive clearance between
the propeller and the ground in the level take-off
attitude with the critical tyre completely deflated
and the corresponding landing gear strut
bottomed. Positive clearance for aeroplanes
using leaf spring struts is shown with a
deflection corresponding to 1=C2=B75 g.
The complete document can be found here:
https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/CS-VLA%20%20Amdt%201%20combined
.pdf
Hope that is of some use to you.
Nigel
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Subject: | Re: 914 turbo rpm. |
If turbo not kicking in, the manifold pressure only goes up to about 27 inch
es and rpm to about 5000. Usual boosted pressure 40 inches
Sent from my iPad
Ken Carpenter
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 12:03 PM, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Phil,
>
> Do you have a fixed pitch or contact speed prop?
>
> My 914 with Airmaster constant speed prop will reach 5800 rpm (max allowed
) on takeoff.
>
> Blue skies & tailwinds,
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (125 hrs).
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:28 AM, philip george <philipgeorge347@hotmail.com> wr
ote:
>
> What sort of rpm. Should be expected at take off with a 914 Turbo at the b
eginning of the take off run and in the climb. Thanks in advance.
> Phil George.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung device
>
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