---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/08/17: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:21 AM - Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (JohnFrance) 2. 02:40 AM - Re: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 3. 04:15 AM - Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (olihqt) 4. 05:30 AM - 914 turbo rpm. (philip george) 5. 06:56 AM - Re: My BIG DAY (Kingsley Hurst) 6. 07:02 AM - Re: 914 turbo rpm. (Ken Carpenter) 7. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: Tightening the stainless steel nipple on the carburetor (Paul McAllister) 8. 07:13 AM - Battery (Paul McAllister) 9. 08:37 AM - Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (Nigel Graham) 10. 09:05 AM - Re: 914 turbo rpm. (Robert Borger) 11. 09:46 AM - Re: 914 turbo rpm. (philip george) 12. 10:39 AM - Re: Battery (david park) 13. 11:01 AM - Re: Battery (Ruedi Vogel) 14. 12:17 PM - Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (olihqt) 15. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (Karl Heindl) 16. 03:42 PM - Re: 914 turbo rpm. (Ken Carpenter) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:39 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear From: "JohnFrance" <77alembert@gmail.com> Hi Olivier, I have an Eprops Durandel 80S which is 1.6 m diameter on my mono-wheel using a 912 UL. That is already slightly bigger than the Warp drive 62". I did consider a bigger prop but was advised against it. I assume you have a 912ULS on a tri gear so you would require the Durandel 100 S. The propeller should not be able to contact the ground with the front tyre flat and the leg fully compressed you will need to find the relevant FAR's Do you need any information for the DGAC acceptance paperwork as I can supply a template? -------- Europa mono Nr 192 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472605#472605 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:04 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear Olivier, As I remember it, the LAA will not aprove a propeller larger than 1.6m on a mono and I suspect the same would apply to a trigear. Even then I have heard of several being broken with rough landings. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2017-09-08 10:21, JohnFrance wrote: > > Hi Olivier, > I have an Eprops Durandel 80S which is 1.6 m diameter on my mono-wheel using a 912 UL. That is already slightly bigger than the Warp drive 62". I did consider a bigger prop but was advised against it. > I assume you have a 912ULS on a tri gear so you would require the Durandel 100 S. > The propeller should not be able to contact the ground with the front tyre flat and the leg fully compressed you will need to find the relevant FAR's > Do you need any information for the DGAC acceptance paperwork as I can supply a template? > > -------- > Europa mono Nr 192 > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472605#472605 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472605#472605 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:07 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear From: "olihqt" Hello John If you could provide me with the DGAC documents, I would be delighted. Thanks Olivier olivier.hequet (at)neuf.fr Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472609#472609 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:24 AM PST US From: philip george Subject: Europa-List: 914 turbo rpm. V2hhdCBzb3J0IG9mIHJwbS4gU2hvdWxkIGJlIGV4cGVjdGVkIGF0IHRha2Ugb2ZmIHdpdGggYSA5 MTQgVHVyYm8gYXQgdGhlIGJlZ2lubmluZyBvZiB0aGUgdGFrZSBvZmYgcnVuIGFuZCBpbiB0aGUg Y2xpbWIuIFRoYW5rcyBpbiBhZHZhbmNlLg0KUGhpbCBHZW9yZ2UuDQoNCg0KDQpTZW50IGZyb20g bXkgU2Ftc3VuZyBkZXZpY2UNCg= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:03 AM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: My BIG DAY Now come on Tim, I thought my wife was good at excuses! I wasn=99t suggesting you come at 30,000 ft! One day I just might come over without the plane though! Best Kingsley do not archive From: Tim Ward Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: My BIG DAY Hi Kingsley, I know I should lead the way. However the winds are against me so you would get over here first! Tim ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:00 AM PST US From: Ken Carpenter Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo rpm. I get 5800 with Air master controlled prop. I cut back to 5500 once couple h undred feet in the air. The max rpm set in the prop hub. Sent from my iPad Ken Carpenter > On Sep 8, 2017, at 8:28 AM, philip george wr ote: > > What sort of rpm. Should be expected at take off with a 914 Turbo at the b eginning of the take off run and in the climb. Thanks in advance. > Phil George. > > > > Sent from my Samsung device ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:02 AM PST US From: Paul McAllister Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Tightening the stainless steel nipple on the carburetor Hi Bud, I got the carbs back yesterday and I hope to get them installed on the weekend. As we both know balancing and setting the idle is a PIA :( I'm thinking of installing one of the lightweight Lithium style batteries on the fire wall and doing a new weight and balance to see what I get. After that I'll start tinkering with the tri gear conversion. Cheers, Paul On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Bud Yerly wrote: > Paul, > > How=99s the work going on the Europa? > > > Regards, > > Bud Yerly > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > *From: *Paul McAllister > *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 12:22 PM > *To: *europa-list@matronics.com > *Subject: *Re: Europa-List: Re: Tightening the stainless steel nipple on > the carburetor > > > I guess that is one approach. I like to send my carbs to Lockwood and I > happen to have a second set so I just do an exchange. > > > So... I guess I'm still looking to understand how folks tighten the SS > nipples in place > > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:46 AM, h&jeuropa wrote: > > > Hi Paul, > > Bud Yerly's advice is to disconnect the SS lines at the fuel pressure > regulator, rather than at the carbs. That seems to work fine. > > Jim > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471129#471129 > > > ========== > pa-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www. > matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n > ========== > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:52 AM PST US From: Paul McAllister Subject: Europa-List: Battery Hi All, My trusty Odessey battery has died and gone to heaven (or wherever batteries go). I am seeking peoples experience with the new style Lithium batteries, and in particular what can be sourced in the US. Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:55 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear From: "Nigel Graham" Not sure which standard your aircraft needs to comply with, but CS-VLA contains some "common sense" advice on propeller clearance. CS-VLA 925 Propeller clearance Unless smaller clearances are substantiated, propeller clearances with the aeroplane at maximum weight, with the most adverse centre of gravity, and with the propeller in the most adverse pitch position, may not be less than the following: (a) Ground clearance. There must be a clearance of at least 180 mm (for each aeroplane with nose wheel landing gear) or 230 mm (for each aeroplane with tail wheel landing gear) between each propeller and the ground with the landing gear statically deflected and in the level, normal take-off, or taxying attitude, whichever is most critical. In addition, for each aeroplane with conventional landing gear struts using fluid or mechanical means for absorbing landing shocks, there must be positive clearance between the propeller and the ground in the level take-off attitude with the critical tyre completely deflated and the corresponding landing gear strut bottomed. Positive clearance for aeroplanes using leaf spring struts is shown with a deflection corresponding to 15 g. The complete document can be found here: https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/CS-VLA%20%20Amdt%201%20combined.pdf Hope that is of some use to you. Nigel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472623#472623 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:22 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo rpm. Phil, Do you have a fixed pitch or contact speed prop? My 914 with Airmaster constant speed prop will reach 5800 rpm (max allowed) on takeoff. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (125 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:28 AM, philip george wrote: What sort of rpm. Should be expected at take off with a 914 Turbo at the beginning of the take off run and in the climb. Thanks in advance. Phil George. Sent from my Samsung device ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:33 AM PST US From: philip george Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo rpm. Hi Robert It's my friends tri gear Europa undergoing flight testing . It's a Airma ster constant speed also. Phil George. Sent from my Samsung device -------- Original message -------- From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo rpm. Phil, Do you have a fixed pitch or contact speed prop? My 914 with Airmaster constant speed prop will reach 5800 rpm (max allowed) on takeoff. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (125 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:28 AM, philip george > wrote: What sort of rpm. Should be expected at take off with a 914 Turbo at the be ginning of the take off run and in the climb. Thanks in advance. Phil George. Sent from my Samsung device ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Battery From: david park I fitted the EX 900 no problems so far after operating about 50 hours. Dave Park > On 8 Sep 2017, at 15:12, Paul McAllister wrote: > > Hi All, > > My trusty Odessey battery has died and gone to heaven (or wherever batteries go). > > I am seeking peoples experience with the new style Lithium batteries, and in particular what can be sourced in the US. > > Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Battery From: Ruedi Vogel Hello Paul I am using Skyrich batteries in mine Europa with Rotax 912S type HJTX12-FP, since many years in a UL C42 with Rotax 912S, and a bigger size in mine Grob G109B motor glider for about 4 years. This batteries are well protected and the price is fair. I can recommend this batteries to yo. The supplier is located in USA. See: http://www.skyrichbattery.com/Lithium-Ion-Battery/c10/index.html?osCsid=bi2llu12d91g0s90q3tkeeqpr2 Best regards -- Ruedi Vogel Wiesenweg 6 CH-3380 Wangen a.A. Am 08.09.2017 um 16:12 schrieb Paul McAllister: > Hi All, > > My trusty Odessey battery has died and gone to heaven (or wherever > batteries go). > > I am seeking peoples experience with the new style Lithium batteries, > and in particular what can be sourced in the US. > > Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:30 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear From: "olihqt" John Nigel...thanks for all. I'm inform you as soon as possible. Bye Olivier Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472656#472656 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:43 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear So what then is the required clearance for the trigear ? My 2-blade Woodcomp is 69.5 inches with a ground clearance of 10 inches. Cheers, Karl ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Nigel Graham Sent: 08 September 2017 16:37:26 Subject: Europa-List: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear .uk> Not sure which standard your aircraft needs to comply with, but CS-VLA cont ains some "common sense" advice on propeller clearance. CS-VLA 925 Propeller clearance Unless smaller clearances are substantiated, propeller clearances with the aeroplane at maximum weight, with the most adverse centre of gravity, and with the propeller in the most adverse pitch position, may not be less than the following: (a) Ground clearance. There must be a clearance of at least 180 mm (for each aeroplane with nose wheel landing gear) or 230 mm (for each aeroplane with tail wheel landing gear) between each propeller and the ground with the landing gear statically deflected and in the level, normal take-off, or taxying attitude, whichever is most critical. In addition, for each aeroplane with conventional landing gear struts using fluid or mechanical means for absorbing landing shocks, there must be positive clearance between the propeller and the ground in the level take-off attitude with the critical tyre completely deflated and the corresponding landing gear strut bottomed. Positive clearance for aeroplanes using leaf spring struts is shown with a deflection corresponding to 1=C2=B75 g. The complete document can be found here: https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/CS-VLA%20%20Amdt%201%20combined .pdf Hope that is of some use to you. Nigel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472623#472623 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:31 PM PST US From: Ken Carpenter Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo rpm. If turbo not kicking in, the manifold pressure only goes up to about 27 inch es and rpm to about 5000. Usual boosted pressure 40 inches Sent from my iPad Ken Carpenter > On Sep 8, 2017, at 12:03 PM, Robert Borger wrote: > > Phil, > > Do you have a fixed pitch or contact speed prop? > > My 914 with Airmaster constant speed prop will reach 5800 rpm (max allowed ) on takeoff. > > Blue skies & tailwinds, > Bob Borger > Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (125 hrs). > Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP > 3705 Lynchburg Dr. > Corinth, TX 76208-5331 > Cel: 817-992-1117 > rlborger@mac.com > On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:28 AM, philip george wr ote: > > What sort of rpm. Should be expected at take off with a 914 Turbo at the b eginning of the take off run and in the climb. Thanks in advance. > Phil George. > > > > Sent from my Samsung device > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.