---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/09/17: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:59 AM - Flying without the doors (Richard Lamprey) 2. 01:27 AM - 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (Guerner Remi) 3. 01:29 AM - Re: Flying without the doors (David Watts) 4. 04:32 AM - Radio interference (MikeP) 5. 04:43 AM - Re: Battery (h&jeuropa) 6. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Battery (Christoph Both) 7. 08:06 AM - Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (Nigel Graham) 8. 08:37 AM - Re: Flying without the doors (AirEupora) 9. 09:28 AM - Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear (olihqt) 10. 09:40 AM - Re: Flying without the doors (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 11. 10:00 AM - Re: Flying without the doors (Fred Klein) 12. 12:31 PM - Re: Battery (Greg Fuchs) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:40 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Flying without the doors From: "Richard Lamprey" Has anyone experimented flying a Europa without the doors? I remember reading in the Europa factory bulletin years ago that this can be done up to a limit of 100 knots. I did actually try this about 15 years ago in my mono, for about 30 minutes, and it seemed to behave OK, but was incredibly windy, with a blast of air up through the flap slot due to lower pressure in the cabin. Hairstyle took a week to recover.. I am particularly interested to know if anyone has experimented more, especially performance in the turn. A banked turn would give me a clear view of the ground for wildlife photography. Thanks Richard Kenya, Classic Mono 912 UL, reg 5Y-LRY Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472693#472693 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:35 AM PST US From: Guerner Remi Subject: Europa-List: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear Hi Nigel, For sure the Monowheel with the standard 62 or 64" prop is far from complying with that requirement! Remi <<<<(a) Ground clearance. There must be a clearance of at least 180 mm (for each aeroplane with nose wheel landing gear) or 230 mm (for each aeroplane with tail wheel landing gear) between each propeller and the ground with the landing gear statically deflected and in the level, normal take-off, or taxying attitude, whichever is most critical. In addition, for each aeroplane with conventional landing gear struts using fluid or mechanical means for absorbing landing shocks, there must be positive clearance between the propeller and the ground in the level take-off attitude with the critical tyre completely deflated and the corresponding landing gear strut bottomed. Positive clearance for aeroplanes using leaf spring struts is shown with a deflection corresponding to 15 g. >>>> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying without the doors From: David Watts Richard, I did this in my mono about 10 years ago for a photo shoot and it was horrible. My daughter was flying while I took the photos and admittedly it was a nasty stormy day, but it was very noisy, very draughty and seemed quite bumpy. There was one interesting point. On final approach, for some unknown reason, I put my hand up and held the windscreen surround about half way up. Suddenly it all went quiet and peaceful in the cockpit. By then we had both had enough and didn't want to go up again and experiment further. I suppose it explains why many cars with sunroofs have small deflectors that pop up in the airstream. Dave Watts G-BXDY Classic Mono 912S Airmaster 2,400 hours > On 9 Sep 2017, at 08:59, Richard Lamprey wrote: > > > Has anyone experimented flying a Europa without the doors? I remember reading in the Europa factory bulletin years ago that this can be done up to a limit of 100 knots. I did actually try this about 15 years ago in my mono, for about 30 minutes, and it seemed to behave OK, but was incredibly windy, with a blast of air up through the flap slot due to lower pressure in the cabin. Hairstyle took a week to recover.. > I am particularly interested to know if anyone has experimented more, especially performance in the turn. A banked turn would give me a clear view of the ground for wildlife photography. > Thanks > Richard > Kenya, Classic Mono 912 UL, reg 5Y-LRY > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472693#472693 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:51 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Radio interference From: "MikeP" Our 914 seems to be generating more radio interference. It has been suggested that waving a handheld around the engine compartment may help identify areas that are generating RFI. Anyone got any other suggestions? Thanks Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472697#472697 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:38 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Battery From: "h&jeuropa" Paul, We've been using an Earth X for several years. Have had no problems. It has a sophisticated battery management system built in. We did have to add a diode to up the charging voltage a little. We did an article in the Europa Flyer about it roughly two years ago. Jim & Heather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472698#472698 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:42 AM PST US From: Christoph Both Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Battery Hello Heather and Jim: I am interested in the diode circuit to boost the voltage. Do you have further information? Thanks, Christoph #223 Wolfville NS On 2017-09-09, 08:43, "owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of h&jeuropa" wrote: Paul, We've been using an Earth X for several years. Have had no problems. It has a sophisticated battery management system built in. We did have to add a diode to up the charging voltage a little. We did an article in the Europa Flyer about it roughly two years ago. Jim & Heather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472698#472698 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:06 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear From: "Nigel Graham" Karl, So what then is the required clearance for the trigear ? My 2-blade Woodcomp is 69.5 inches with a ground clearance of 10 inches. Cheers, Karl To test for 1.5g worst case, let the tyres down, load the aircraft to 931.5 Kg (2025 lbs) and measure the clearance - there should be some! To test for static clearance at MAW with tyres inflated, there should be 180mm (7 inches) of clearance. Remi, For sure the Monowheel with the standard 62 or 64" prop is far from complying with that requirement! Remi The reason the XS had it's engine moves 1.5 inches higher than the Classic was to alleviate this problem. In mitigation, the Monowheel does not really "rotate", but takes off and lands in the three (two?) point attitude. If you are looking at "non-compliance", look no further than the seat belt mounts! Nigel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472710#472710 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:40 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Flying without the doors From: "AirEupora" I have flown in the right seat with that window off for about fifteen minutes. At 85kts the aircraft handled nicely. Wind noise was not to bad! With headsets on. View was great. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472711#472711 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:52 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 170cm 67" propeller on a trigear From: "olihqt" Hi I received today the approval of Europa aircraft to mount a durandal 100M propeller of 170cm. I am sending the documents to the DGAC today to finalize the file. I keep you informed thanks for all Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472716#472716 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:21 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying without the doors Richard, I would be more tempted to fit a clear view panel. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2017-09-09 09:28, David Watts wrote: > > Richard, > > I did this in my mono about 10 years ago for a photo shoot and it was horrible. > > My daughter was flying while I took the photos and admittedly it was a nasty stormy day, but it was very noisy, very draughty and seemed quite bumpy. > > There was one interesting point. On final approach, for some unknown reason, I put my hand up and held the windscreen surround about half way up. Suddenly it all went quiet and peaceful in the cockpit. By then we had both had enough and didn't want to go up again and experiment further. I suppose it explains why many cars with sunroofs have small deflectors that pop up in the airstream. > > Dave Watts > G-BXDY Classic Mono 912S Airmaster 2,400 hours > > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472693#472693 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:39 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying without the doors > On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:28 AM, David Watts wrote: > > There was one interesting point. On final approach, for some unknown reason, I put my hand up and held the windscreen surround about half way up. Suddenly it all went quiet and peaceful in the cockpit. fascinatingworth exploring further I=99d say... ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:33 PM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: Battery Paul, The ETX36C has been used successfully for years. The Rotax 914 charging system needs to be slightly modified to bring the charging voltage into the range the lithium battery likes (Jim and Heather brought that to my attention). A diode on the 'C' terminal of the Ducati regulator is adequate to fool the regulator into thinking the battery is at a slightly lower voltage than it actually is and so it will up its charge voltage, placing the battery into proper charging range. I think its 13.9 to 14.6 volts per the data sheet, if memory serves. This lithium battery has cell protection. It has internal circuitry that can remove the battery from the circuit due to too low or too high voltages (i.e. when it is overcharged or drained). A happily charged battery will not disconnect from the airframe. It is wise to have a good metal battery box for these in the unlikely event of a thermal fiasco. A thin Fiberfrax layer can likely do wonders too. The weight savings is amazing.. When you hold them in your hand, they feel like a fake toy battery, but they will spin the engine right up for sure. Greg _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister Sent: Friday, September 08, 2017 7:13 AM Subject: Europa-List: Battery Hi All, My trusty Odessey battery has died and gone to heaven (or wherever batteries go). I am seeking peoples experience with the new style Lithium batteries, and in particular what can be sourced in the US. 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