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1. 12:17 AM - Re: New Owner of a 2001 Europa XS (Kingsley Hurst)
2. 01:53 AM - Re: Removable Instrument Panel mod 63 (Alan Burrill)
3. 01:53 AM - Re: Removable Instrument Panel mod 63 (BobD)
4. 02:27 AM - Re: Re: Removable Instrument Panel mod 63 (Alan Burrill)
5. 02:33 AM - Re: Removable Instrument Panel mod 63 (JohnFrance)
6. 03:14 AM - Re: Re: Removable Instrument Panel mod 63 (David Watts)
7. 12:24 PM - Nav Lights (Matt Dovey)
8. 07:17 PM - Re: Removable Instrument Panel mod 63 (Fred Klein)
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| Subject: | Re: New Owner of a 2001 Europa XS |
Hello Robert and welcome to the Europa group.
>From your photo, that delamination looks quite serious to me.
I am not qualified to instruct you how to repair it but what I will do
is implore you not to fly that aircraft before it is thoroughly
inspected by someone qualified in fiberglass repair. My fear is that
there is something radically wrong with the original lay-up and it is
quite feasible there are more instances that could be found by an
experienced repairer. I hope I=99m wrong but I think it would be
wise to have it checked.
Best regards
Kingsley in Oz
From: Robert Piskorski
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:29 AM
Subject: Europa-List: New Owner of a 2001 Europa XS
Hello,
I=99m new to this forum and new to the Europa . . . . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Removable Instrument Panel mod 63 |
There are lots of pictures on the members section of the Europa Club Website including
showing the sub panels.
Basically they are an aluminium version of the Panel shape inside the lips of the
fibre console.
Leave enough room when you cut out the fibreglass to fasten the number of captive
nuts for the retaining screws. See the old sheets.
Check, and check again, the clearance behind the panel for what you are mounting,
some radios are quite long and you need clearance for the cables which usually
attach at the back. If you have existing cables installed make sure they
will reach the new instrument location and also leave room for you to pull the
panel forward during construction and future repair.
Trace the shape of the panel full size on to paper and draw out your intended layout
and check the instrument widths, the facia and also the box behind.
If you have standby instruments make sure they are in the best place to use them
if needed and not in a far away part of the panel because you ran out of room,
in other words have a look at several layouts and decide what works for you.
If you have warning lights, you need to see them but, placing them in the eyeline
when your flying will bring it to your attention but will also be a major
distraction if your are then trying to sort the aeroplane out and making a safe
landing.
Weight is not your friend. Place the instrument on the scales and if they read
more than zero think seriously if you need it. Any changes to the panel may affect
weight and balance as well as compass calibration.
And finally, measure three times and cut once.
Alan
G-OBJT
Sent from my iPad
> On 29 Oct 2017, at 21:12, William Bliss <william@wbliss.co.uk> wrote:
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> Hello All
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> Does anyone have any tips, experience etc of retrofitting the mod 63 instrument
panel cut out? I cannot even find pictures of the blanks that Europa sell.
Mine are steam gauges which I do not plan to change. I'm about to remove the panel
and fit a Trig Radio and Transponder into G-WUFF so thought now is a good
time for the mod.
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> Thanks William
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| Subject: | Re: Removable Instrument Panel mod 63 |
Hi William,
When I bought a replacement panel from Europa, I found that it did not fit, as
the original builder had used a modified module. Karen was good enough to take
it back.
I decided to design my own, using s a free 2D autocad system (Draftsight). This
had several advantages. I could play with various layouts to find the best for
my needs. I could also have it laser cut using the output to get clean holes
for the instruments and switches. I had the design cut in MDF initially, so I
could check that everything fitted correctly, before having the final panel cut
from aluminum. This resulted in some minor changes, before the final cut.
Several other forum members were kind enough to send me their CAD layouts, which
I altered to suit my needs, and I would be happy to do the same now. This saved
a lot of time , as the measurements for instruments, switches etc. didn't
need to be re-entered, I could do a lot of cut & paste.
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Bob Dawson
XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ
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| Subject: | Re: Removable Instrument Panel mod 63 |
Just a thought.
I used good quality hole saws, a pillar drill set to a low speed and lots of drilling
lubricant to get good results in the aluminium.
Alan
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> On 30 Oct 2017, at 08:52, BobD <rjd@bobdawson.plus.com> wrote:
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> Hi William,
> When I bought a replacement panel from Europa, I found that it did not fit, as
the original builder had used a modified module. Karen was good enough to take
it back.
> I decided to design my own, using s a free 2D autocad system (Draftsight). This
had several advantages. I could play with various layouts to find the best
for my needs. I could also have it laser cut using the output to get clean holes
for the instruments and switches. I had the design cut in MDF initially, so
I could check that everything fitted correctly, before having the final panel
cut from aluminum. This resulted in some minor changes, before the final cut.
> Several other forum members were kind enough to send me their CAD layouts, which
I altered to suit my needs, and I would be happy to do the same now. This
saved a lot of time , as the measurements for instruments, switches etc. didn't
need to be re-entered, I could do a lot of cut & paste.
>
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> Bob Dawson
> XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ
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| Subject: | Re: Removable Instrument Panel mod 63 |
Hi William,
I recently installed a Trig radio and transponder on the right hand side of my
instrument panel.
I did buy the aluminium panel from Europa but in the end I made the panel out of
2 mm thick carbon fibre, the cut-outs were done using water jet. I think 1.5
mm carbon plate would be sufficient.
I put the control heads in the panel and the rest behind the baggage bay bulkhead
in my classic.
It was necessary to rewire the trim to allow the panel to hinge down for access
and of course all the other electrical items on the that panel.
Access for maintenance will be much easier in the future.
Regards
John
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Europa mono Nr 192
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| Subject: | Re: Removable Instrument Panel mod 63 |
I have done both my avionics and instrument panels with 1.5mm Carbon sheet.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY Classic Mono 912S 2440 hours
> On 30 Oct 2017, at 09:32, JohnFrance <77alembert@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi William,
> I recently installed a Trig radio and transponder on the right hand side of my
instrument panel.
> I did buy the aluminium panel from Europa but in the end I made the panel out
of 2 mm thick carbon fibre, the cut-outs were done using water jet. I think 1.5
mm carbon plate would be sufficient.
> I put the control heads in the panel and the rest behind the baggage bay bulkhead
in my classic.
> It was necessary to rewire the trim to allow the panel to hinge down for access
and of course all the other electrical items on the that panel.
> Access for maintenance will be much easier in the future.
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
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> Europa mono Nr 192
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I'm hoping to fit some LED Nav/Strobe lights over the winter on my classic. I'm
interested in how people have run their wiring from the tip to the wing root.
I understand that some fitted conduit before the skins were bonded in place.
What alternate methods have been used?
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| Subject: | Re: Removable Instrument Panel mod 63 |
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