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0. 06:04 AM - Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists (Matt Dralle)
1. 01:18 AM - Re: Nav Lights (BobD)
2. 01:44 AM - ELT (Bob Hitchcock)
3. 02:32 AM - Re: ELT (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
4. 05:01 AM - Re: Re: ELT (Paul Mansfield)
5. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: Nav Lights (Christoph Both)
6. 06:12 AM - Re: Instuments Misreading (tonyvaccarella)
7. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: ELT (Paul Mansfield)
8. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Instuments Misreading (Pete Jeffers)
9. 01:33 PM - ELT (Bob Hitchcock)
10. 02:01 PM - My fav europa flight vid to watch.... (Bob Hitchcock)
11. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: ELT (Raimo Toivio)
12. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: ELT (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
13. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: ELT (Raimo Toivio)
14. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: ELT (Raimo Toivio)
15. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: ELT (Pete)
16. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: ELT (Raimo Toivio)
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These are worth considering also.
http://www.aveoengineering.com/lsa-experimental-ul-kits-and-gliders/powerburst-daylite/
More expensive, but more secure fitting in my opinion (screws & silicon adhesive).
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Bob Dawson
XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474154#474154
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Hi Duncan
Good question. My splash in the North Sea was more than a year ago now. I am
delighted to say I have flown a further 130 hours since in Megg my new Mono
To add to both your and David=99s earlier comments.
Being under a towering object (I.e. cliff) inhibits the signal.
HM Coastguard do have to contend with spurious and false alarm signals. Cons
equently they do, quite reasonably, execute checks on all phone numbers tha
t they have recorded for the pilot as well as contacting other organisations
, home airport, nearby airport before committing resources. Inevitably this t
akes time.
So whenever flying over the sea file a Flight Plan and have appropriate surv
ival kit ready.
The latest technology GPS PLB=99s identify position to within a few me
tres.
The older technology GPS PLB=99s less so. Sometimes many kilometres un
til further satellite passes are possible. If your existing PLB is more than
7 years old it is possibly worth revisiting its specification and comparing
it to the latest models.
Extract from final AAIB Report on GBYSA follows;
The pilot=99s PLB was equipped with a 406 MHz transmitter, which is de
tectable by satellites of the Cospas-Sarsat Programme. In order to determine
an approximate position of the activated beacon, more than one satellite pa
ss was required.
At 1036 hrs, a downlink from a satellite pass alerted the UK Aeronautical Re
scue Co-ordination Centre (ARCC) to the activation of the beacon. A further s
atellite pass at 1056 hrs was required to resolve the beacon=99s locat
ion in the approximate area of the accident. The ARCC attempted to contact t
he beacon=99s registered owner (the pilot) and made further enquiries,
to determine the nature of the incident and decide on the appropriate respo
nse1. At 1108 hrs, a land-based Coastguard rescue team was tasked to the are
a of the accident. This was followed later by the deployment of RNLI lifeboa
ts and a SAR helicopter.
The ARCC commented that GPS-enabled PLB=99s will generally allow much q
uicker location of the transmitter than those without this capability. Addit
ionally, the more information and, in particular, contact details that owner
s include when registering a PLB, the quicker the ARCC can respond and the h
igher the probability of them deploying the correct rescue assets.
Additional information on what happens when a PLB is activated can be found a
t
www.cospas-sarsat.int/en/
Regards
Bob
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/
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Bob, Not quite clear whether your PLB had GPS included. David
On 2017-11-03 08:41, Bob Hitchcock wrote:
> Hi Duncan
>
> Good question. My splash in the North Sea was more than a year ago now. I am
delighted to say I have flown a further 130 hours since in Megg my new Mono
>
> To add to both your and David's earlier comments.
>
> Being under a towering object (I.e. cliff) inhibits the signal.
> HM Coastguard do have to contend with spurious and false alarm signals. Consequently
they do, quite reasonably, execute checks on all phone numbers that they
have recorded for the pilot as well as contacting other organisations, home
airport, nearby airport before committing resources. Inevitably this takes time.
> So whenever flying over the sea file a Flight Plan and have appropriate survival
kit ready.
>
> The latest technology GPS PLB's identify position to within a few metres.
>
> The older technology GPS PLB's less so. Sometimes many kilometres until further
satellite passes are possible. If your existing PLB is more than 7 years old
it is possibly worth revisiting its specification and comparing it to the latest
models.
>
> Extract from final AAIB Report on GBYSA follows;
>
> The pilot's PLB was equipped with a 406 MHz transmitter, which is detectable
by satellites of the Cospas-Sarsat Programme. In order to determine an approximate
position of the activated beacon, more than one satellite pass was required.
> At 1036 hrs, a downlink from a satellite pass alerted the UK Aeronautical Rescue
Co-ordination Centre (ARCC) to the activation of the beacon. A further satellite
pass at 1056 hrs was required to resolve the beacon's location in the approximate
area of the accident. The ARCC attempted to contact the beacon's registered
owner (the pilot) and made further enquiries, to determine the nature
of the incident and decide on the appropriate response1. At 1108 hrs, a land-based
Coastguard rescue team was tasked to the area of the accident. This was
followed later by the deployment of RNLI lifeboats and a SAR helicopter.
> The ARCC commented that GPS-enabled PLB's will generally allow much quicker location
of the transmitter than those without this capability. Additionally, the
more information and, in particular, contact details that owners include when
registering a PLB, the quicker the ARCC can respond and the higher the probability
of them deploying the correct rescue assets.
> Additional information on what happens when a PLB is activated can be found at
> www.cospas-sarsat.int/en/ [1]
>
> Regards
>
> Bob
>
> http://www.theeuropaclub.org/ [2]
Links:
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[1] http://www.cospas-sarsat.int/en/
[2] http://www.theeuropaclub.org/
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"...it is around 620nm from t to bottom of Finland and 660nm top to bottom of UK!"
UK population 65.6 M
Finnish population 5.5 M
Relative chances of (crash) landing near a populated area (and therefore help)?
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
Sent: 02 November 2017 09:10
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: ELT
Raimo, Yes of course I have looked down on those very remote and rugged spaces
in Finland and we do infact have some equally remote and unlandable places in
the UK (try flying round all the remote Scottish islands), but it doesn't alter
the point that there are few landings where you are not either dead or able
to use a PLB. Two or three hundred euros invested in a Smartass is much more likely
to save your life than a similar amount spent on an ELT in addition to a
PLB.
Much tempted by the idea of some more Aviation beer and Sauna in 2018. Regards,
David
PS We shouldn't really get into a 'Mine's bigger than yours' sort of argument,
but I find that it is around 620nm from t to bottom of Finland and 660nm top to
bottom of UK!
On 2017-11-01 21:09, Raimo Toivio wrote:
Dear David,
you are right as usually, but however, think about accident in the remote place
(and you have not launched your PLB),
ELT is your only hope (if you happen to be alive) . I do understand that it is
not so easy to you to understand there are really unpopulated places in the world.
Like Finland. You have flown here a lot. Think.
Really, all the pilots are not flying in the Great Britain!!!
(which is a very little put populated - island somewhere).
For example Me, after not-so-succesfull landing to any remote private strip here
with my monowheel.
To my home strips, where there are people available from hundreds of meters. They
just look, maybe!!!
Raimo has left his aircraft there, and same time I am loosing maybe my life! In
that case, ELT were superb.
So far, I have had about 600 landings with my Mono, and still one prop (AirMaster).
David, Im pretty sure You get it!
Go on! I know you can have your burst!
Or, maybe you need a real Finnish Sauna to get out your real Europa Mind?
***
About me /my status:
- my Europa OH-XRT is still not flyable but will be during early 2018 *
- my Lamco OH-U666 (a bushplane) is flyable now finally after my crash one year
ago
- my very Beloved Cesna OH-CVK (which I owned 1996-2012) is here back again.
- my Antonov AN-2 HA-MDO is in Sweden, but it will be soon here.
David,
pls fly here duging The 2018 - the cows are away!
Just land EFRT 12/30 or 03/21 if you like so.
Raimo
OH-XRT
Finland
<snip>
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Hello Dave,
Thank you very much. I know Creighton personally and have just seen his Europa.
I think this is the perfect light for my plane. I am into low draw my GRT/analog
panel only draws 2.5 amps, so the extra 1.5 amps for nav/strobe is amazing.
Christoph
#223 Trigear 912ULS Woodcomp SR 3000/2 blade (saved 10 pounds)
Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada
On 2017-11-03, 09:08, "owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of David
Watts" <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of dg.watts@talktalk.net>
wrote:
Christoph
TLAC Strobes are at:-
http://www.g-tlac.com/Documents/Strobes%20and%20beacons%2022%208%2016.pdf
Dave Watts
> On 2 Nov 2017, at 12:21, Christoph Both <christoph.both@acadiau.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Dave,
> Do you have a link to the Light Aeroplane Company nav lights?
> Thanks,
> Christoph
> #223 Europa
> Wolfville, NS, Canada
>
>
> On 2017-11-02, 07:41, "owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
David Watts" <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of dg.watts@talktalk.net>
wrote:
>
>
> You only need 2 core cable for the LED Nav Strobes available from The
Light Aeroplane Company.
> I fitted them in place of my Nav lights recently and they are great.
>
> Dave Watts
> G-BXDY
>
>> On 1 Nov 2017, at 08:26, John Wighton <john@wighton.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> If yours is a classic surely the skins are laid up onto the foam cores?
>>
>> I believe a good solution is to use a hole cutting tool mounted onto a long
straight tube (approx. 3/4in dia.). The hole should be on the camber line
(approx. wing bending neutral axis). Cables can be pulled through thereafter
and the ends sealed once all the functional checks are complete.
>>
>> My XS (moulded skin, hollow wings) has wing nav/strobe cables retro fitted
in this way (albeit the boring only is needed at the root and intermediate
rib). Mine had some 2 core cables installed at build but 5 core is needed for
the nav/strobe combination units, so had to be changed.
>>
>> Use shielded cable and connectors at the wing root to enable disassembly.
>>
>> Regards
>> JW
>>
>> --------
>> John Wighton
>> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
>>
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474090#474090
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Hi Bill,
Thats such a huge RPM variation. My only thought was is one reading engine RPM
while the other is reading propeller RPM?
Regards,
Tony
--------
Tony Vaccarella
Mascot NSW 2020
Sydney Australia
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474190#474190
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Ah - Raimo covered this in more mathematical detail!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mansfield
Sent: 03 November 2017 11:59
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: ELT
--> <europaul383@hotmail.com>
"...it is around 620nm from t to bottom of Finland and 660nm top to bottom of UK!"
UK population 65.6 M
Finnish population 5.5 M
Relative chances of (crash) landing near a populated area (and therefore help)?
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Bob, Not quite clear whether your PLB had GPS included. David
=94=00=94=00=94=00=94=00=94=00=94=00
=94=00=94=00=94=00=94=00=94=00=94=00-
Hi David
McMurdo let me have a replacement model to the very latest specification. T
hey retained the unit sent to them for performance check/potential refurbish
.
Here follows the detail on the unit that saw action in the incident.
BEACON MODEL: CSTA 129, (National coded, non-TAC) GPS PLB Fastfind+BEACON CO
DING: 500-21721 CODING PROTOCOL: PLB GPS Standard Location, CSTA CSTA NUMBER
:AIRCRAFT REGISTRATION MARK: G-BYSA
Regards
Bob
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| Subject: | My fav europa flight vid to watch.... |
Hi Pete
I agree it=99s a super quality. Stephan=99s Europa videos are a
mongst the best I=99ve seen.
Norway is one place I haven=99t been. An idea is starts to form.
Regards
Bob
Time: 03:31:51 PM PST US
Subject: Europa-List: My fav europa flight vid to watch....
From: Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
....wish there were many more :-)
https://youtu.be/nFg4tojrV64
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/
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Paul,
you got it!
(and remember, UK is maybe taller but *WE *are larger,
that means we could easily populate here say 100.000.000 people)
And, if you Paul happen to like maths, think about this:
One (just one, not the largest) of our lake is around 100 km x 100 km
(we have say 100.000 lakes).
Thats The Lake Inari (all who have flown to Jos Okhuisen and Nordkap
have seen it,
Jos is living on the beech of The Lake Inari).
Now carefully:
During the winter its of course frozen. The thickness of ice is then
say 50-100 cm.
You can drive any truck or even tanks there then.
OK.
In the world there are about 7.600.000.000 people right now 2017.
Lets assume there are 10.000.000.000 people 2030.
They all could easily come to The Lake Inari (if we happen to invitate
them),
and stay over the ice quite comfortable and each person will have 1 m
for personal area.
Do you believe me?
All the people from the world to Finland and we could locate them over
one fucken frozen lake?
Am I grazy?
100 km x 100 km = 100.000 m x 100.000 m = 10.000.000.000 m.
Now you understand (at least I hope so)
- Finland is so big that we could populate you *all* easily...over just
one lake.
(how to get food? Just make a hole to the ice and get a fish. Do not ask
more).
***
I hope you all understand this was an ELT related case.
Raimo
allekirjoitus
<mailto:info@rwm.fi>
Paul Mansfield kirjoitti 3.11.2017 klo 15:26:
>
> Ah - Raimo covered this in more mathematical detail!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mansfield
> Sent: 03 November 2017 11:59
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: ELT
>
> --> <europaul383@hotmail.com>
>
> "...it is around 620nm from t to bottom of Finland and 660nm top to bottom of
UK!"
>
> UK population 65.6 M
> Finnish population 5.5 M
>
> Relative chances of (crash) landing near a populated area (and therefore help)?
>
>
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Raimo, I am very fond of Lake Inari, having walked round it, driven
round it , flown over it and even contemplated diving into it post
sauna, BUT: The problem about getting into 'Mine is bigger than yours'
arguments is that even honourable fellows like you tend to lie through
their teeth! Lake Inari isn't a nice rectangular shape - it is more like
an octupus with measles. It' average height is around 28nm and average
width around 14nm. Being generous with the conversion, (because we like
you!) that is around 50 x 30 km or 1500 million sq metres. So you are
going to ask about seven people to sit/stand on each sq metre. That is
an even more ridiculous idea than Brexit!
Fond regards, David
On 2017-11-03 21:16, Raimo Toivio wrote:
> Paul,
>
> you got it!
>
> (and remember, UK is maybe taller but WE are larger,
>
> that means we could easily populate here say 100.000.000 people)
>
> And, if you Paul happen to like maths, think about this:
>
> One (just one, not the largest) of our lake is around 100 km x 100 km (we have
say 100.000 lakes).
>
> Thats The Lake Inari (all who have flown to Jos Okhuisen and Nordkap have seen
it,
>
> Jos is living on the beech of The Lake Inari).
>
> Now carefully:
>
> During the winter its of course frozen. The thickness of ice is then say 50-100
cm.
>
> You can drive any truck or even tanks there then.
>
> OK.
>
> In the world there are about 7.600.000.000 people right now 2017.
>
> Lets assume there are 10.000.000.000 people 2030.
>
> They all could easily come to The Lake Inari (if we happen to invitate them),
>
> and stay over the ice quite comfortable and each person will have 1 m for personal
area.
>
> Do you believe me?
>
> All the people from the world to Finland and we could locate them over one fucken
frozen lake?
>
> Am I grazy?
>
> 100 km x 100 km = 100.000 m x 100.000 m = 10.000.000.000 m.
>
> Now you understand (at least I hope so)
>
> - Finland is so big that we could populate you ALL easily...over just one lake.
>
> (how to get food? Just make a hole to the ice and get a fish. Do not ask more).
>
> ***
>
> I hope you all understand this was an ELT related case.
>
> Raimo
>
> Paul Mansfield kirjoitti 3.11.2017 klo 15:26:
>
>>
>> Ah - Raimo covered this in more mathematical detail!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mansfield
>> Sent: 03 November 2017 11:59
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: ELT
>>
>> --> <europaul383@hotmail.com>
>>
>> "...it is around 620nm from t to bottom of Finland and 660nm top to bottom of
UK!"
>>
>> UK population 65.6 M
>> Finnish population 5.5 M
>>
>> Relative chances of (crash) landing near a populated area (and therefore help)?
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And oh David,
Brexit
how about
*Fixit?*
(right now, The Russians are coming, whe should really be together)
Just fly, we all together... in peace!
Raimo
davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk kirjoitti 4.11.2017 klo 0:15:
>
> Raimo, I am very fond of Lake Inari, having walked round it, driven
> round it , flown over it and even contemplated diving into it post
> sauna, BUT: The problem about getting into 'Mine is bigger than yours'
> arguments is that even honourable fellows like you tend to lie through
> their teeth! Lake Inari isn't a nice rectangular shape - it is more
> like an octupus with measles. It' average height is around 28nm and
> average width around 14nm. Being generous with the conversion,
> (because we like you!) that is around 50 x 30 km or 1500 million sq
> metres. So you are going to ask about seven people to sit/stand on
> each sq metre. That is an even more ridiculous idea than Brexit!
>
> Fond regards, David
>
> On 2017-11-03 21:16, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> you got it!
>>
>> (and remember, UK is maybe taller but *WE *are larger,
>>
>> that means we could easily populate here say 100.000.000 people)
>>
>> And, if you Paul happen to like maths, think about this:
>>
>> One (just one, not the largest) of our lake is around 100 km x 100 km
>> (we have say 100.000 lakes).
>>
>> Thats The Lake Inari (all who have flown to Jos Okhuisen and Nordkap
>> have seen it,
>>
>> Jos is living on the beech of The Lake Inari).
>>
>> Now carefully:
>>
>> During the winter its of course frozen. The thickness of ice is then
>> say 50-100 cm.
>>
>> You can drive any truck or even tanks there then.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> In the world there are about 7.600.000.000 people right now 2017.
>>
>> Lets assume there are 10.000.000.000 people 2030.
>>
>> They all could easily come to The Lake Inari (if we happen to
>> invitate them),
>>
>> and stay over the ice quite comfortable and each person will have 1
>> m for personal area.
>>
>> Do you believe me?
>>
>> All the people from the world to Finland and we could locate them
>> over one fucken frozen lake?
>>
>> Am I grazy?
>>
>> 100 km x 100 km = 100.000 m x 100.000 m = 10.000.000.000 m.
>>
>> Now you understand (at least I hope so)
>>
>> - Finland is so big that we could populate you *all* easily...over
>> just one lake.
>>
>> (how to get food? Just make a hole to the ice and get a fish. Do not
>> ask more).
>>
>> ***
>>
>> I hope you all understand this was an ELT related case.
>>
>> Raimo
>>
>>
>> Paul Mansfield kirjoitti 3.11.2017 klo 15:26:
>>>
>>> Ah - Raimo covered this in more mathematical detail!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mansfield
>>> Sent: 03 November 2017 11:59
>>> To:europa-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: ELT
>>>
>>> --><europaul383@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> "...it is around 620nm from t to bottom of Finland and 660nm top to bottom
of UK!"
>>>
>>> UK population 65.6 M
>>> Finnish population 5.5 M
>>>
>>> Relative chances of (crash) landing near a populated area (and therefore help)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Dear (Really) David,
seven?
I do love you but coming back,
You grazy Englisman will be sure about that!
Just now Im saying " a bit hurry "...
R
allekirjoitus <mailto:info@rwm.fi>
davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk kirjoitti 4.11.2017 klo 0:15:
>
> Raimo, I am very fond of Lake Inari, having walked round it, driven
> round it , flown over it and even contemplated diving into it post
> sauna, BUT: The problem about getting into 'Mine is bigger than yours'
> arguments is that even honourable fellows like you tend to lie through
> their teeth! Lake Inari isn't a nice rectangular shape - it is more
> like an octupus with measles. It' average height is around 28nm and
> average width around 14nm. Being generous with the conversion,
> (because we like you!) that is around 50 x 30 km or 1500 million sq
> metres. So you are going to ask about seven people to sit/stand on
> each sq metre. That is an even more ridiculous idea than Brexit!
>
> Fond regards, David
>
> On 2017-11-03 21:16, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> you got it!
>>
>> (and remember, UK is maybe taller but *WE *are larger,
>>
>> that means we could easily populate here say 100.000.000 people)
>>
>> And, if you Paul happen to like maths, think about this:
>>
>> One (just one, not the largest) of our lake is around 100 km x 100 km
>> (we have say 100.000 lakes).
>>
>> Thats The Lake Inari (all who have flown to Jos Okhuisen and Nordkap
>> have seen it,
>>
>> Jos is living on the beech of The Lake Inari).
>>
>> Now carefully:
>>
>> During the winter its of course frozen. The thickness of ice is then
>> say 50-100 cm.
>>
>> You can drive any truck or even tanks there then.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> In the world there are about 7.600.000.000 people right now 2017.
>>
>> Lets assume there are 10.000.000.000 people 2030.
>>
>> They all could easily come to The Lake Inari (if we happen to
>> invitate them),
>>
>> and stay over the ice quite comfortable and each person will have 1
>> m for personal area.
>>
>> Do you believe me?
>>
>> All the people from the world to Finland and we could locate them
>> over one fucken frozen lake?
>>
>> Am I grazy?
>>
>> 100 km x 100 km = 100.000 m x 100.000 m = 10.000.000.000 m.
>>
>> Now you understand (at least I hope so)
>>
>> - Finland is so big that we could populate you *all* easily...over
>> just one lake.
>>
>> (how to get food? Just make a hole to the ice and get a fish. Do not
>> ask more).
>>
>> ***
>>
>> I hope you all understand this was an ELT related case.
>>
>> Raimo
>>
>>
>> Paul Mansfield kirjoitti 3.11.2017 klo 15:26:
>>>
>>> Ah - Raimo covered this in more mathematical detail!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mansfield
>>> Sent: 03 November 2017 11:59
>>> To:europa-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: ELT
>>>
>>> --><europaul383@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> "...it is around 620nm from t to bottom of Finland and 660nm top to bottom
of UK!"
>>>
>>> UK population 65.6 M
>>> Finnish population 5.5 M
>>>
>>> Relative chances of (crash) landing near a populated area (and therefore help)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Then there's always Canada LOL ;-)
Cheers,
Pete
> On Nov 3, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> you got it!
>
> (and remember, UK is maybe taller but WE are larger,
>
> that means we could easily populate here say 100.000.000 people)
>
> And, if you Paul happen to like maths, think about this:
>
> One (just one, not the largest) of our lake is around 100 km x 100 km (we h
ave say 100.000 lakes).
>
> That=C2=B4s The Lake Inari (all who have flown to Jos Okhuisen and Nordkap
have seen it,
>
> Jos is living on the beech of The Lake Inari).
>
> Now carefully:
>
> During the winter it=C2=B4s of course frozen. The thickness of ice is then
say 50-100 cm.
>
> You can drive any truck or even tanks there then.
>
> OK.
>
> In the world there are about 7.600.000.000 people right now 2017.
>
> Let=C2=B4s assume there are 10.000.000.000 people 2030.
>
> They all could easily come to The Lake Inari (if we happen to invitate the
m),
> and stay over the ice quite comfortable and each person will have 1 m=C2=B2
for personal area.
>
> Do you believe me?
> All the people from the world to Finland and we could locate them over one
fucken frozen lake?
> Am I grazy?
>
> 100 km x 100 km = 100.000 m x 100.000 m = 10.000.000.000 m=C2=B2.
>
> Now you understand (at least I hope so)
> - Finland is so big that we could populate you all easily...over just one l
ake.
> (how to get food? Just make a hole to the ice and get a fish. Do not ask m
ore).
>
> ***
>
> I hope you all understand this was an ELT related case.
> Raimo
>
> Paul Mansfield kirjoitti 3.11.2017 klo 15:26:
m>
>>
>> Ah - Raimo covered this in more mathematical detail!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-se
rver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mansfield
>> Sent: 03 November 2017 11:59
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: ELT
>>
>> --> <europaul383@hotmail.com>
>>
>> "...it is around 620nm from t to bottom of Finland and 660nm top to botto
m of UK!"
>>
>> UK population 65.6 M
>> Finnish population 5.5 M
>>
>> Relative chances of (crash) landing near a populated area (and therefore h
elp)?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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David,
Brexit could be a good idea, but what about a lake, you will be sure,
Im coming back!
And you will be wrong, as typically and as normally.
And Im happy you know that lake...is not that wonderfull?
What a place to use your sea plane?
And: do you agree the fact that *Finland***is really a lot more bigger
than a whole little Kigdom of UK?
Maybe I should take a one more larger lake. We have them a lot, You know.
David!
Mine is always bigger.
I do like you.
Raimo
allekirjoitus
<mailto:info@rwm.fi>
davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk kirjoitti 4.11.2017 klo 0:15:
>
> Raimo, I am very fond of Lake Inari, having walked round it, driven
> round it , flown over it and even contemplated diving into it post
> sauna, BUT: The problem about getting into 'Mine is bigger than yours'
> arguments is that even honourable fellows like you tend to lie through
> their teeth! Lake Inari isn't a nice rectangular shape - it is more
> like an octupus with measles. It' average height is around 28nm and
> average width around 14nm. Being generous with the conversion,
> (because we like you!) that is around 50 x 30 km or 1500 million sq
> metres. So you are going to ask about seven people to sit/stand on
> each sq metre. That is an even more ridiculous idea than Brexit!
>
> Fond regards, David
>
> On 2017-11-03 21:16, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> you got it!
>>
>> (and remember, UK is maybe taller but *WE *are larger,
>>
>> that means we could easily populate here say 100.000.000 people)
>>
>> And, if you Paul happen to like maths, think about this:
>>
>> One (just one, not the largest) of our lake is around 100 km x 100 km
>> (we have say 100.000 lakes).
>>
>> Thats The Lake Inari (all who have flown to Jos Okhuisen and Nordkap
>> have seen it,
>>
>> Jos is living on the beech of The Lake Inari).
>>
>> Now carefully:
>>
>> During the winter its of course frozen. The thickness of ice is then
>> say 50-100 cm.
>>
>> You can drive any truck or even tanks there then.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> In the world there are about 7.600.000.000 people right now 2017.
>>
>> Lets assume there are 10.000.000.000 people 2030.
>>
>> They all could easily come to The Lake Inari (if we happen to
>> invitate them),
>>
>> and stay over the ice quite comfortable and each person will have 1
>> m for personal area.
>>
>> Do you believe me?
>>
>> All the people from the world to Finland and we could locate them
>> over one fucken frozen lake?
>>
>> Am I grazy?
>>
>> 100 km x 100 km = 100.000 m x 100.000 m = 10.000.000.000 m.
>>
>> Now you understand (at least I hope so)
>>
>> - Finland is so big that we could populate you *all* easily...over
>> just one lake.
>>
>> (how to get food? Just make a hole to the ice and get a fish. Do not
>> ask more).
>>
>> ***
>>
>> I hope you all understand this was an ELT related case.
>>
>> Raimo
>>
>>
>> Paul Mansfield kirjoitti 3.11.2017 klo 15:26:
>>>
>>> Ah - Raimo covered this in more mathematical detail!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mansfield
>>> Sent: 03 November 2017 11:59
>>> To:europa-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: ELT
>>>
>>> --><europaul383@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> "...it is around 620nm from t to bottom of Finland and 660nm top to bottom
of UK!"
>>>
>>> UK population 65.6 M
>>> Finnish population 5.5 M
>>>
>>> Relative chances of (crash) landing near a populated area (and therefore help)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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