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Sat 11/18/17


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 01:23 AM - Re: Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net)
     2. 01:32 AM - Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
     3. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: San Diego Europas? (Pete)
     4. 08:09 AM - Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help (Vlodek9)
     5. 09:11 AM - Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help (Vlodek9)
     6. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
     7. 01:14 PM - Re: San Diego Europas? ()
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:23:18 AM PST US
    From: "ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net" <ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help
    I've had the same issue with business jets in that area too (@4000', presumably out of Oxford). I wish I could be confident that the crew were looking out of the window as they approach from behind.Next time, call a DOTH! Duncan McFdo not archive ----Original Message---- From: graeme@gdbmk.co.uk Subj: Europa-List: Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help You don't say whether you are building or its been completed a while, are you sure it's not a paint or filler issue ? The fuselage is fibre either side of foam so I'm not sure how you would see delamination there. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis AP, PAW, PFLARM core, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus, SmartA3 325 hours &amp;amp; 6 years on the Mono, 930 total g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475190#475190


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    Time: 01:32:39 AM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help
    There isn't a simple answer to this. If you are a beginner to fibreglass and building a Europa, you really need an expert to look at the problem and to guide you, otherwise you risk doing unnecessary work and possibly serious damage. Where are you. The Europa Club may be able to put you in touch with a local builder or expert. Otherwise I would suggest looking for a firm which repairs gliders, as they should have the relevant expertise. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ (.& Chairman of Europa club) On 2017-11-18 00:30, Vlodek9 wrote: > > Hello all > > IEUR(tm)m looking for suggestions as to what materials I should use regarding delimitation and cracking on the Europa main wing and fuselage. > > With so many advancements in available materials, I feel overwhelmed in making my purchase decisions. Further more, I have no practical experience, only theoretical based on what I have read and watched on the internet. > > Issues: > Fiberglass delaminate spots on main wing (core not effected). > Filler/bondo (dry micro??) delaminate spots on main wing. > Hairline cracks (spiderweb) on fuselage and cowl > > So with this in mind, the following list is what I think I need to purchase but need suggestions on. > EUR1. Which resin should I use: > a. Epoxy, polyester, laminating, gel coat, etc > > 2. Faring compound for pits and surface shaping > a. Bondo, filler, dry micro, etc > > *Please recommend brand names and type of product so I can track it down and purchase. > > Finally, I know that the Europa uses unidirectional and bidirectional cloth, but for some reason I canEUR(tm)t seem to locate what thickness I should get. > > Again, I am a novice at this so any advice as to what materials I should buy and where, would be very appreciated. > > Thank you > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475186#475186 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475186#475186 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 06:27:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: San Diego Europas?
    From: Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
    Many thx Bill, i'll give it a try! Cheers and blue skies, Pete :) > On Nov 17, 2017, at 4:52 PM, bill mcclellan <wilwood@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > Pete, this might be kinda old info but his email might still be: rlindsa2@san.rr.com. > Bill > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475182#475182 > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:09:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help
    From: "Vlodek9" <rv9a2000@gmail.com>
    graeme bird wrote: > You don't say whether you are building or its been completed a while, are you sure it's not a paint or filler issue ? The fuselage is fibre either side of foam so I'm not sure how you would see delimitation there. Thank you for your reply. The Europa XS was completed and got its airworthiness certificate in 2001, I bought it 2 months ago or so as a third owner. It is fully operational and has been flying. So far, most of the areas in question seem like it is a filler/paint problem but I have not opened all of the bubbles yet since I'm addressing other issues. Still, in a week or so, I will be focusing 100% on all of the cracks and bubbles throughout the aircraft (mostly cosmetic based on appearance). Hopefully they are all filler/paint issues but I figured I'd ask about everything so I can further my knowledge and research. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst kind of thing. Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475195#475195


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    Time: 09:11:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help
    From: "Vlodek9" <rv9a2000@gmail.com>
    I'm attaching a pic of a snapped off pice of what I think is the filler. I do believe that this is the case in most if not all of the bubbles that are on the wing. I want to thank everyone that replied so far. You guys gave me allot to think about and yes, depending on what I find once I open all the bubbles, I may decide to take it to a professional. However, I am still interested in what materials (filler, resin, etc) are suggested for working with as it pertains to the Europa. I would like to learn about this stuff and unfortunately the best way I learn is hands on and by making mistakes. Not on the airplane in this case, but practicing on the "bench". So if anyone does have experience with a certain resin, filler, etc that he/she would recommend, please let me know the brand/type/manufactures and I'll start my research/learning. Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475196#475196 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1275_1_805.jpg


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    Time: 10:15:11 AM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help
    If you join the europa club (via the website www.theeuropaclub.org ) you can access the build manuals which will give you standard materials and methods, and also all the technical articles in the Europa Flyer magazines which will no doubt cover various ways people have chosen to do the painting and filling and problems found. How to deal with a paint finish and its problems is a different matter, without someone being able to tell you what paint was used. Although there was a standard filler supplied with the Europa kit, choice of paint was left up to the builder. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2017-11-18 16:08, Vlodek9 wrote: > > graeme bird wrote: > >> You don't say whether you are building or its been completed a while, are you sure it's not a paint or filler issue ? The fuselage is fibre either side of foam so I'm not sure how you would see delimitation there. > > Thank you for your reply. The Europa XS was completed and got its airworthiness certificate in 2001, I bought it 2 months ago or so as a third owner. It is fully operational and has been flying. So far, most of the areas in question seem like it is a filler/paint problem but I have not opened all of the bubbles yet since I'm addressing other issues. Still, in a week or so, I will be focusing 100% on all of the cracks and bubbles throughout the aircraft (mostly cosmetic based on appearance). Hopefully they are all filler/paint issues but I figured I'd ask about everything so I can further my knowledge and research. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst kind of thing. > > Thanks > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475195#475195 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475195#475195 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 01:14:00 PM PST US
    From: <rlindsa2@san.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: San Diego Europas?
    ---- Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote: > I'll be in SD in February on biz and have the last Saturday off for myself, and was wondering if anyone had the contact info for Robert Lyndsay and his N77EU? l'd love to swing by and take a look at his ship for inspiration if the bird is still out there :-) > > Cheers and thx, > Pete > Pete, I am here in San Diego CA with N77EU. I was in the process of changing oil hoses a few years ago when I was hospitalized. I am now permanently grounded and will be disposing of all along with another XS Mono project next year. I would be happy to have you visit my hangar in Feb 18. Bob Lindsay




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