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1. 01:23 AM - Re: Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net)
2. 01:32 AM - Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
3. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: San Diego Europas? (Pete)
4. 08:09 AM - Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help (Vlodek9)
5. 09:11 AM - Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help (Vlodek9)
6. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
7. 01:14 PM - Re: San Diego Europas? ()
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Subject: | Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help |
I've had the same issue with business jets in that area too (@4000', presumably
out of Oxford). I wish I could be confident that the crew were looking out of
the window as they approach from behind.Next time, call a DOTH!
Duncan McFdo not archive
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From: graeme@gdbmk.co.uk
Subj: Europa-List: Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help
You don't say whether you are building or its been completed a while, are you sure
it's not a paint or filler issue ? The fuselage is fibre either side of foam
so I'm not sure how you would see delamination there.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis
AP, PAW, PFLARM core, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus,
SmartA3
325 hours & 6 years on the Mono, 930 total
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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Subject: | Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help |
There isn't a simple answer to this. If you are a beginner to fibreglass
and building a Europa, you really need an expert to look at the problem
and to guide you, otherwise you risk doing unnecessary work and possibly
serious damage. Where are you. The Europa Club may be able to put you in
touch with a local builder or expert. Otherwise I would suggest looking
for a firm which repairs gliders, as they should have the relevant
expertise.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ (.& Chairman of Europa club)
On 2017-11-18 00:30, Vlodek9 wrote:
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> Hello all
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> IEUR(tm)m looking for suggestions as to what materials I should use regarding
delimitation and cracking on the Europa main wing and fuselage.
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> With so many advancements in available materials, I feel overwhelmed in making
my purchase decisions. Further more, I have no practical experience, only theoretical
based on what I have read and watched on the internet.
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> Issues:
> Fiberglass delaminate spots on main wing (core not effected).
> Filler/bondo (dry micro??) delaminate spots on main wing.
> Hairline cracks (spiderweb) on fuselage and cowl
>
> So with this in mind, the following list is what I think I need to purchase but
need suggestions on.
> EUR1. Which resin should I use:
> a. Epoxy, polyester, laminating, gel coat, etc
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> 2. Faring compound for pits and surface shaping
> a. Bondo, filler, dry micro, etc
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> *Please recommend brand names and type of product so I can track it down and
purchase.
>
> Finally, I know that the Europa uses unidirectional and bidirectional cloth,
but for some reason I canEUR(tm)t seem to locate what thickness I should get.
>
> Again, I am a novice at this so any advice as to what materials I should buy
and where, would be very appreciated.
>
> Thank you
>
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Subject: | Re: San Diego Europas? |
Many thx Bill, i'll give it a try!
Cheers and blue skies,
Pete :)
> On Nov 17, 2017, at 4:52 PM, bill mcclellan <wilwood@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> Pete, this might be kinda old info but his email might still be: rlindsa2@san.rr.com.
> Bill
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Subject: | Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help |
graeme bird wrote:
> You don't say whether you are building or its been completed a while, are you
sure it's not a paint or filler issue ? The fuselage is fibre either side of
foam so I'm not sure how you would see delimitation there.
Thank you for your reply. The Europa XS was completed and got its airworthiness
certificate in 2001, I bought it 2 months ago or so as a third owner. It is
fully operational and has been flying. So far, most of the areas in question
seem like it is a filler/paint problem but I have not opened all of the bubbles
yet since I'm addressing other issues. Still, in a week or so, I will be focusing
100% on all of the cracks and bubbles throughout the aircraft (mostly
cosmetic based on appearance). Hopefully they are all filler/paint issues but
I figured I'd ask about everything so I can further my knowledge and research.
Hope for the best but prepare for the worst kind of thing.
Thanks
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Subject: | Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help |
I'm attaching a pic of a snapped off pice of what I think is the filler. I do
believe that this is the case in most if not all of the bubbles that are on the
wing.
I want to thank everyone that replied so far. You guys gave me allot to think
about and yes, depending on what I find once I open all the bubbles, I may decide
to take it to a professional.
However, I am still interested in what materials (filler, resin, etc) are suggested
for working with as it pertains to the Europa. I would like to learn about
this stuff and unfortunately the best way I learn is hands on and by making
mistakes. Not on the airplane in this case, but practicing on the "bench".
So if anyone does have experience with a certain resin, filler, etc that he/she
would recommend, please let me know the brand/type/manufactures and I'll start
my research/learning.
Thanks
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Subject: | Re: Resins, faring compounds, etc, Need help |
If you join the europa club (via the website www.theeuropaclub.org ) you
can access the build manuals which will give you standard materials and
methods, and also all the technical articles in the Europa Flyer
magazines which will no doubt cover various ways people have chosen to
do the painting and filling and problems found. How to deal with a paint
finish and its problems is a different matter, without someone being
able to tell you what paint was used. Although there was a standard
filler supplied with the Europa kit, choice of paint was left up to the
builder.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2017-11-18 16:08, Vlodek9 wrote:
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> graeme bird wrote:
>
>> You don't say whether you are building or its been completed a while, are you
sure it's not a paint or filler issue ? The fuselage is fibre either side of
foam so I'm not sure how you would see delimitation there.
>
> Thank you for your reply. The Europa XS was completed and got its airworthiness
certificate in 2001, I bought it 2 months ago or so as a third owner. It is
fully operational and has been flying. So far, most of the areas in question
seem like it is a filler/paint problem but I have not opened all of the bubbles
yet since I'm addressing other issues. Still, in a week or so, I will be focusing
100% on all of the cracks and bubbles throughout the aircraft (mostly cosmetic
based on appearance). Hopefully they are all filler/paint issues but I
figured I'd ask about everything so I can further my knowledge and research. Hope
for the best but prepare for the worst kind of thing.
>
> Thanks
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475195#475195 [1]
>
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Subject: | Re: San Diego Europas? |
---- Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
> I'll be in SD in February on biz and have the last Saturday off for myself, and
was wondering if anyone had the contact info for Robert Lyndsay and his N77EU?
l'd love to swing by and take a look at his ship for inspiration if the
bird is still out there :-)
>
> Cheers and thx,
> Pete
>
Pete, I am here in San Diego CA with N77EU. I was in the process of changing oil
hoses a few years ago when I was hospitalized. I am now permanently grounded
and will be disposing of all along with another XS Mono project next year.
I would be happy to have you visit my hangar in Feb 18. Bob Lindsay
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