---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/14/17: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:22 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Ivor) 2. 01:57 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 3. 05:01 AM - Re: Calibrating ASI (Bud Yerly) 4. 05:05 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Ivor) 5. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net) 6. 09:49 AM - Control slop (William Daniell) 7. 10:06 AM - Re: Control slop (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net) 8. 10:09 AM - Re: Calibrating ASI (Rowland Carson) 9. 10:24 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Ivor) 10. 10:37 AM - Re: Calibrating ASI (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net) 11. 10:45 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net) 12. 10:45 AM - Re: Control slop (William Daniell) 13. 11:43 AM - Replacement fuel filler pipe for CLASSIC as per SM 13070 (JohnFrance) 14. 10:29 PM - Outrigger fork (David Watts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:07 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas From: "Ivor" A picture of two section of original pipe from my aircraft, looked fine on the outside but definitely breaking up on the inside, the amount of rubber actually exposed to the fuel was very small on my installation, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476389#476389 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2f7baddf_784c_46cb_b920_6cacd3c0aa2c_984.jpeg http://forums.matronics.com//files/8145fca1_5ba6_4e70_959d_0a589c4e6b43_883.jpeg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:31 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Ivor, How old was the pipe? David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2017-12-14 09:21, Ivor wrote: > > A picture of two section of original pipe from my aircraft, looked fine on the outside but definitely breaking up on the inside, > the amount of rubber actually exposed to the fuel was very small on my installation, > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476389#476389 [1] > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2f7baddf_784c_46cb_b920_6cacd3c0aa2c_984.jpeg [2] > http://forums.matronics.com//files/8145fca1_5ba6_4e70_959d_0a589c4e6b43_883.jpeg [3] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476389#476389 [2] http://forums.matronics.com//files/2f7baddf_784c_46cb_b920_6cacd3c0aa2c_984.jpeg [3] http://forums.matronics.com//files/8145fca1_5ba6_4e70_959d_0a589c4e6b43_883.jpeg [4] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [5] http://forums.matronics.com [6] http://wiki.matronics.com [7] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:01 AM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: Re: Europa-List: Calibrating ASI Mike, Log on to EAA.org and type in airspeed calibration. A numbe r of articles. With GPS there is no sense not using it. I've used this fo r years. No math, simple add and subtract. I note the winds and temp from natl wx service weather. I fly a box. Into across downwind and cross. Best regards, Bud Yerly, Custom Flight Creations, Inc. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Dec 12, 2017 8:32 PM, duanefamly@aol.com wrote: To those that have already done this, I seem to remember someone having a G PS measured triangular course that they flew, recorded the reading of their GPS and panel ASI and came up with a calibration factor. Is there a writte n procedure that they wish to share? Also, other than swinging and recording the correction card numbers for the mag compass, any other calibration procedures that I am forgetting? Getting closer. Mike Duane Europa XS N377EA Las Vegas, NV, USA Sent from Windows Mail ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:20 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas From: "Ivor" Hi David original pipe with 10 years use, did check it at five years obviously but it seemed fine at the time, luckily Frank xuereb down the road from me had some spare original pipe going spare, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476391#476391 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:57 AM PST US From: "ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Ivor,What fuels have you been using predominantly and do you leave the tanks full (or at least the rubber connector internally submerged) between flights? Rgds.,Duncan McF. ----Original Message---- From: g-iver@live.co.uk Subj: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Hi David original pipe with 10 years use, did check it at five years obviously but it seemed fine at the time, luckily Frank xuereb down the road from me had some spare original pipe going spare, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476391#476391 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:22 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Europa-List: Control slop For the assembled wisdom I have a minor amount of slop in my controls from the tufnol bearings at front and back of the cockpit module. I don't notice it in flight but it's an imperfection and l guess we all know how that feels. This is derived either from build or some kind of drying out/shrinkage over the considerable lapse between assembling flying controls and flight. My thoughts were to drill a hole in the top of the tufnol bearing into which I could inject grease - maybe damping grease. Anyone got any other ideas that don't include major surgery? Will ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:29 AM PST US From: "ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Control slop Will,You don't say whether radial or axial 'slop'.Greasing the dried out bearings usually causes the Tufnol to expand in a direction perpendicular to the plane of the fabric, which would remove some axial slop but can cause the bearing to go tight/sticky.I don't know how you would remove radial slop; grease would be quickly displaced from the imperfect bearing contact of this item. Duncan McF ----Original Message---- From: wdaniell.longport@gmail.com Subj: Europa-List: Control slop For the assembled wisdom I have a minor amount of slop in my controls from the tufnol bearings at front and back of the cockpit module. I don't notice it in flight but it's an imperfection and l guess we all know how that feels. This is derived either from build or some kind of drying out/shrinkage over the considerable lapse between assembling flying controls and flight. My thoughts were to drill a hole in the top of the tufnol bearing into which I could inject grease - maybe damping grease. Anyone got any other ideas that don't include major surgery? Will ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:45 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Calibrating ASI On 2017-12-13 01:23, duanefamly@aol.com wrote: > To those that have already done this, I seem to remember someone having a GPS measured triangular course that they flew, recorded the reading of their GPS and panel ASI and came up with a calibration factor. Is there a written procedure that they wish to share? > Also, other than swinging and recording the correction card numbers for the mag compass, any other calibration procedures that I am forgetting? > Getting closer. > > Mike Duane > Europa XS > N377EA > Las Vegas, NV, USA Mike - I didnt receive and cant seem to find your original message (even using the Matronics search engine) so I am quoting it from another reply. There was a folder of information about using GPS to determine TAS and compass errors included on the CD in the Europa Club new-member pack that I used to send out when I was MemSec. Im not sure if those files had been incorporated at the time you would have had your pack, in Apr 2000. I am trying to get the files put up in the calculations section of the new Club website, but have to wait for someone with the appropriate access to do that. In the meantime, you could have a look at: https://www.ntps.edu/information/downloads.html where several relevant files are available for download under the heading Using GPS to Determine Pitot-Static Errors. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:56 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas From: "Ivor" Hi Duncan I have always tried to minimise Avgas use but some times that all you can get, so Mainly UL91 with some Super unleaded as a last resort, Yes i do try to leave the fuel tank full but not normally up the cobra, The amount of Rubber exposed to any fuel is quite small, after the cobra i have a aluminium pipe so the two pieces you see just connect the pipe to the tank and cobra, outside condition of the rubber is good, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476400#476400 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:35 AM PST US From: "ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Calibrating ASI Rowland,Have you come across a version that allows calibration to the instr ument (rather than to true airspeed, which then needs fiddling back to see what the instrument should have been reading relative to true airspeed)? Duncan McF. ----Original Message---- From: rowlandcarson@gmail.com Subj: Re: Europa-List: Calibrating ASI On 2017-12-13 01:23, duanefamly@aol.com wrote: > To those that have already done this, I seem to remember someone having a GPS measured triangular course that they flew, recorded the reading of the ir GPS and panel ASI and came up with a calibration factor. Is there a writ ten procedure that they wish to share? > Also, other than swinging and recording the correction card numbers for t he mag compass, any other calibration procedures that I am forgetting? > Getting closer. > > Mike Duane > Europa XS > N377EA > Las Vegas, NV, USA Mike - I didn=99t receive and can=99t seem to find your origina l message (even using the Matronics search engine) so I am quoting it from another reply. There was a folder of information about using GPS to determine TAS and comp ass errors included on the CD in the Europa Club new-member pack that I use d to send out when I was MemSec. I=99m not sure if those files had be en incorporated at the time you would have had your pack, in Apr 2000. I am trying to get the files put up in the =9Ccalculations=9D secti on of the new Club website, but have to wait for someone with the appropria te access to do that. In the meantime, you could have a look at: https://www.ntps.edu/information/downloads.html where several relevant files are available for download under the heading =9CUsing GPS to Determine Pitot-Static Errors=9D. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:25 AM PST US From: "ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Ivor,Will you be replacing with Viton lined stuff? The only affordable Viton (at that diameter) seems to be fluorosilicone lined silicone hose, which is not rated for permanent (internal) immersion, but is advertised to be OK for temporary immersion and full time contact with vapours. Softer too, which may make getting a gas-tight seal a bit easier. D. ----Original Message---- From: g-iver@live.co.uk Subj: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Hi Duncan I have always tried to minimise Avgas use but some times that all you can get, so Mainly UL91 with some Super unleaded as a last resort, Yes i do try to leave the fuel tank full but not normally up the cobra, The amount of Rubber exposed to any fuel is quite small, after the cobra i have a aluminium pipe so the two pieces you see just connect the pipe to the tank and cobra, outside condition of the rubber is good, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476400#476400 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:25 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Control slop Mmm thanks.... The slop is a little of both...I though about a shim of the same phenolic material like a large washer split in half but as you say about the grease option, this would probably work for the axial movement not the radial slop. Will On Dec 14, 2017 13:09, "ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net" < ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net> wrote: Will, You don't say whether radial or axial 'slop'. Greasing the dried out bearings usually causes the Tufnol to expand in a direction perpendicular to the plane of the fabric, which would remove some axial slop but can cause the bearing to go tight/sticky. I don't know how you would remove radial slop; grease would be quickly displaced from the imperfect bearing contact of this item. Duncan McF ----Original Message---- From: wdaniell.longport@gmail.com Subj: Europa-List: Control slop For the assembled wisdom I have a minor amount of slop in my controls from the tufnol bearings at front and back of the cockpit module. I don't notice it in flight but it's an imperfection and l guess we all know how that feels. This is derived either from build or some kind of drying out/shrinkage over the considerable lapse between assembling flying controls and flight. My thoughts were to drill a hole in the top of the tufnol bearing into which I could inject grease - maybe damping grease. Anyone got any other ideas that don't include major surgery? Will ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:02 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Replacement fuel filler pipe for CLASSIC as per SM 13070 From: "JohnFrance" <77alembert@gmail.com> To all Classic owners. Everything is finally in place to manufacture replacement one piece fuel filler pipes in aluminium for the classic in accordance with LAA Standard Mod 13070. Due to the fabrication process requiring a set up charge it will be uneconomical to make less than 10 parts and a higher volume will help reduce the price. The parts will be supplied with the excess material needed to form the tube and will require cutting to length to suit your installation requirements. To instal the tube you will require two short lengths of hose, 2 jubilee clips, potential suppliers are given in the mod. I estimate that the part can be supplied for about 230 GBP plus postage. Each owner must determine the requirements to install this mod in their aircraft. If you would like to acquire one of these tubes please PM me with your contact details and quantity required by the 15 January 2018. Regards, John -------- Europa mono Nr 192 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476404#476404 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:43 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger fork From: David Watts Hi all, Has anybody in the UK got a spare outrigger fork or two that I could persuade them to part with? 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