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1. 01:24 AM - Re: Outrigger fork (DONALD CAMERON)
2. 01:43 AM - Re: Outrigger fork (David Watts)
3. 09:53 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Ivor)
4. 10:16 AM - Re: Outrigger fork (Donald Cameron)
5. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Pete Lawless)
6. 10:32 AM - Re: Outrigger fork (David Watts)
7. 10:38 AM - Re: Outrigger fork (Donald Cameron)
8. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Andy Ringrose)
9. 11:54 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Roland)
10. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
11. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (anthony van eldik)
12. 01:17 PM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
13. 01:21 PM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Roland)
14. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Bud Yerly)
15. 01:35 PM - Re: Control slop (Bud Yerly)
16. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
17. 02:44 PM - Re: Control slop (rampil)
18. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Control slop (William Daniell)
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| Subject: | Re: Outrigger fork |
Morning David
I will have the out rigger forks in my box of bits as I had originally bought a
mono kit but built it as a tri gear.
Im going out to the airfield this morning so will see if I can find them for you.
Kind regards
Donald
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On Fri, 15/12/17, David Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net> wrote:
Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger fork
To: "Europa Forum" <europa-list@.com>
Date: Friday, 15 December, 2017, 6:29
Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net>
Hi all,
Has anybody in the UK got a spare
outrigger fork or two that I could persuade them to part
with?
Dave Watts
G-BXDY Classic Mono 912S Airmaster 2450
hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Outrigger fork |
Donald,
Thanks again for your help.
I have just had a fork snap in half at the top.
Dave
> On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:23, DONALD CAMERON <fireflier@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
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> Morning David
>
> I will have the out rigger forks in my box of bits as I had originally bought
a mono kit but built it as a tri gear.
>
> Im going out to the airfield this morning so will see if I can find them for
you.
>
> Kind regards
> Donald
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 15/12/17, David Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net> wrote:
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> Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger fork
> To: "Europa Forum" <europa-list@.com>
> Date: Friday, 15 December, 2017, 6:29
>
> Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Has anybody in the UK got a spare
> outrigger fork or two that I could persuade them to part
> with?
>
> Dave Watts
> G-BXDY Classic Mono 912S Airmaster 2450
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Hi Duncan
as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when hopefully
a more permanent solution is found,
IMO if a hose designed for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit
for purpose,
my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an original
hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
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| Subject: | Re: Outrigger fork |
Hi Dave
I have been at the airfield and have found all the mono parts for the outriggers.
Is it just the bits that are attached to the wing brackets for the outrigger
legs you require?
Regards
Donald
G-PUPY
Sent from my iPhone
> On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:42, David Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>
> Donald,
>
> Thanks again for your help.
> I have just had a fork snap in half at the top.
>
> Dave
>
>> On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:23, DONALD CAMERON <fireflier@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Morning David
>>
>> I will have the out rigger forks in my box of bits as I had originally bought
a mono kit but built it as a tri gear.
>>
>> Im going out to the airfield this morning so will see if I can find them for
you.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Donald
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Fri, 15/12/17, David Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger fork
>> To: "Europa Forum" <europa-list@.com>
>> Date: Friday, 15 December, 2017, 6:29
>>
>> Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Has anybody in the UK got a spare
>> outrigger fork or two that I could persuade them to part
>> with?
>>
>> Dave Watts
>> G-BXDY Classic Mono 912S Airmaster 2450
>> hrs
>>
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Hi Ivor
Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe
with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed
100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
Pete
G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
>
> Hi Duncan
>
> as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
> Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when hopefully
> a more permanent solution is found,
> IMO if a hose designed for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit
> for purpose,
> my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an original
hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
>
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| Subject: | Re: Outrigger fork |
Hi Donald,
The bit I need is the fork that actually holds the wheel at the bottom of the outrigger
leg. The fork is made from thin flat steel shaped as a fork with a round
tube welded on top so that it can be attached to the outrigger leg.
Dave
> On 15 Dec 2017, at 18:15, Donald Cameron <fireflier@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Dave
>
> I have been at the airfield and have found all the mono parts for the outriggers.
Is it just the bits that are attached to the wing brackets for the outrigger
legs you require?
>
> Regards
> Donald
> G-PUPY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:42, David Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Donald,
>>
>> Thanks again for your help.
>> I have just had a fork snap in half at the top.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>> On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:23, DONALD CAMERON <fireflier@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Morning David
>>>
>>> I will have the out rigger forks in my box of bits as I had originally bought
a mono kit but built it as a tri gear.
>>>
>>> Im going out to the airfield this morning so will see if I can find them for
you.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Donald
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Fri, 15/12/17, David Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger fork
>>> To: "Europa Forum" <europa-list@.com>
>>> Date: Friday, 15 December, 2017, 6:29
>>>
>>> Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Has anybody in the UK got a spare
>>> outrigger fork or two that I could persuade them to part
>>> with?
>>>
>>> Dave Watts
>>> G-BXDY Classic Mono 912S Airmaster 2450
>>> hrs
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Outrigger fork |
Hi Dave
Photos attached showing parts, presume from your description it
Is the middle bag.
Regards
Donald
Sent from my iPhone
> On 15 Dec 2017, at 18:31, David Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Donald,
>
> The bit I need is the fork that actually holds the wheel at the bottom of t
he outrigger leg. The fork is made from thin flat steel shaped as a fork wit
h a round tube welded on top so that it can be attached to the outrigger leg
.
>
> Dave
>
>> On 15 Dec 2017, at 18:15, Donald Cameron <fireflier@btinternet.com> wrote
:
>>
om>
>>
>> Hi Dave
>>
>> I have been at the airfield and have found all the mono parts for the out
riggers. Is it just the bits that are attached to the wing brackets for the o
utrigger legs you require?
>>
>> Regards
>> Donald
>> G-PUPY
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:42, David Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Donald,
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your help.
>>> I have just had a fork snap in half at the top.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>> On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:23, DONALD CAMERON <fireflier@btinternet.com> wro
te:
>>>>
.com>
>>>>
>>>> Morning David
>>>>
>>>> I will have the out rigger forks in my box of bits as I had originally b
ought a mono kit but built it as a tri gear.
>>>>
>>>> I=99m going out to the airfield this morning so will see if I can
find them for you.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Donald
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Fri, 15/12/17, David Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger fork
>>>> To: "Europa Forum" <europa-list@.com>
>>>> Date: Friday, 15 December, 2017, 6:29
>>>>
>>>> Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Has anybody in the UK got a spare
>>>> outrigger fork or two that I could persuade them to part
>>>> with?
>>>>
>>>> Dave Watts
>>>> G-BXDY Classic Mono 912S Airmaster 2450
>>>> hrs
>>>>
>>>> The Europa-List Email Forum -
>>>> Navigator to browse
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Carbuildersolutions.com have a silicon fuel filler hose 51mm I.D part no. SKU:SILFF51BK
Time will tell if it's an improvement on the standard hose. I also have an aluminium
pipe in place of the factory version due to early concerns re fuel immersion
particularly on the Mono. The lower joining section had identical deterioration
to that which Ivor reported. Time in service 10 years mostly with Premium
unleaded.
Andy
GMAUS Mono
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Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
Hi Ivor
Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium.
The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is
Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
Pete
G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size?
I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler
hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best
available.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of
the LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon
Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ
On 2017-12-15 19:54, Roland wrote:
>
> Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size?
> I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler
hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best
available.
> Regards
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS TG 914
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476416#476416 [1]
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Dear David,
For your information my fuel filler hose dated 2001 was inspected independen
tly by two engineers including my inspector and found to be in very good con
dition inside/out.Fuel used over the years was BP premium unleaded .Pending
a suitable replacement the hose will be refitted. It should be possible to
find a replacement silicone fuel approved hose. I have the Xs extended bagg
age bay short hose version.
Regards
Anthony van Eldik
Sent from my iPad
> On 15 Dec 2017, at 20:17, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of t
he LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon
>
> Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ
>
>
>
>
>> On 2017-12-15 19:54, Roland wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size?
>> I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fu
el filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose
the best available.
>> Regards
>> Roland
>> PH-ZTI
>> XS TG 914
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476416#476416
>>
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Anthony, It would be interested to know whether you usually fill the
fuel system (and if so ? up to the top) before you put the plane away or
whether you fill up just before you go flying. That is will that pipe
have spent most of its life in contact with fuel or with fumes? Regards,
David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2017-12-15 20:47, anthony van eldik wrote:
> Dear David,
>
> For your information my fuel filler hose dated 2001 was inspected independently
by two engineers including my inspector and found to be in very good condition
inside/out.Fuel used over the years was BP premium unleaded .Pending a suitable
replacement the hose will be refitted. It should be possible to find a replacement
silicone fuel approved hose. I have the Xs extended baggage bay short
hose version.
> Regards
> Anthony van Eldik
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 15 Dec 2017, at 20:17, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of the
LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon
>
> Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ
>
> On 2017-12-15 19:54, Roland wrote:
>
>
> Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size?
> I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler
hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best
available.
> Regards
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS TG 914
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476416#476416 [1]
>
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Thanks, David.
I think I'll replace the hose by a new silicon hose or the original one from Europa
for at least another 5 years peace of mind.
What amazes me is, that there are huge differences in the condition of the hoses
although exposed in a similar environment.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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Europas
David and all,
Over here in the States we weld up a 57 degree elbow out of 2" .049 6061T-6
. Cut to fit. 2" fuel hose pieces and done.
Rather than those beautiful bent tubes, would the LAA allow such a simple m
od that only costs a few bucks to make? The certified welder is the only co
st. I cut the tube on my compound miter saw.
Curt welds it up in 10 minutes. It takes 5 minutes to trim up the ends to f
it.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly,
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Dec 15, 2017 4:20 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
Anthony, It would be interested to know whether you usually fill the fuel s
ystem (and if so ? up to the top) before you put the plane away or whether
you fill up just before you go flying. That is will that pipe have spent mo
st of its life in contact with fuel or with fumes? Regards, David Joyce, GX
SDJ
On 2017-12-15 20:47, anthony van eldik wrote:
Dear David,
For your information my fuel filler hose dated 2001 was inspected independe
ntly by two engineers including my inspector and found to be in very good c
ondition inside/out.Fuel used over the years was BP premium unleaded .Pend
ing a suitable replacement the hose will be refitted. It should be possibl
e to find a replacement silicone fuel approved hose. I have the Xs extended
baggage bay short hose version.
Regards
Anthony van Eldik
Sent from my iPad
On 15 Dec 2017, at 20:17, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk<mailto:davidjoyce@docto
rs.org.uk> wrote:
Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of th
e LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon
Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ
On 2017-12-15 19:54, Roland wrote:
hmidtroland@web.de>>
Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size?
I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel
filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose
the best available.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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| Subject: | Re: Control slop |
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Bud, Sounds great to me but I think Pete Jeffers is the one to answer
that - he is our LAA inspector on the committee and very much involved
with trying to get a sensible solution approved.
Regards, David
On 2017-12-15 21:29, Bud Yerly wrote:
> David and all,
> Over here in the States we weld up a 57 degree elbow out of 2" .049 6061T-6.
Cut to fit. 2" fuel hose pieces and done.
>
> Rather than those beautiful bent tubes, would the LAA allow such a simple mod
that only costs a few bucks to make? The certified welder is the only cost. I
cut the tube on my compound miter saw.
> Curt welds it up in 10 minutes. It takes 5 minutes to trim up the ends to fit.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> _Bud Yerly,_
> _Custom Flight Creations, Inc._
>
> _Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID_
> On Dec 15, 2017 4:20 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Anthony, It would be interested to know whether you usually fill the fuel system
(and if so ? up to the top) before you put the plane away or whether you fill
up just before you go flying. That is will that pipe have spent most of its
life in contact with fuel or with fumes? Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
> On 2017-12-15 20:47, anthony van eldik wrote: Dear David,
>
> For your information my fuel filler hose dated 2001 was inspected independently
by two engineers including my inspector and found to be in very good condition
inside/out.Fuel used over the years was BP premium unleaded .Pending a suitable
replacement the hose will be refitted. It should be possible to find a replacement
silicone fuel approved hose. I have the Xs extended baggage bay short
hose version.
> Regards
> Anthony van Eldik
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 15 Dec 2017, at 20:17, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of the
LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon
>
> Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ
>
> On 2017-12-15 19:54, Roland wrote:
>
>
> Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size?
> I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler
hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best
available.
> Regards
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS TG 914
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| Subject: | Re: Control slop |
The Enemy of Good is Better!
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Control slop |
Hahaha....
Thanks for your adjustment to Fred the great.
And thanks to everyone....I will follow Bud's advice and leave well
alone...... for now.
Will
On Dec 15, 2017 17:46, "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com> wrote:
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> The Enemy of Good is Better!
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> Ira N224XS
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