---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/15/17: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:24 AM - Re: Outrigger fork (DONALD CAMERON) 2. 01:43 AM - Re: Outrigger fork (David Watts) 3. 09:53 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Ivor) 4. 10:16 AM - Re: Outrigger fork (Donald Cameron) 5. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Pete Lawless) 6. 10:32 AM - Re: Outrigger fork (David Watts) 7. 10:38 AM - Re: Outrigger fork (Donald Cameron) 8. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Andy Ringrose) 9. 11:54 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Roland) 10. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 11. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (anthony van eldik) 12. 01:17 PM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 13. 01:21 PM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Roland) 14. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Bud Yerly) 15. 01:35 PM - Re: Control slop (Bud Yerly) 16. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 17. 02:44 PM - Re: Control slop (rampil) 18. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Control slop (William Daniell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:04 AM PST US From: DONALD CAMERON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outrigger fork Morning David I will have the out rigger forks in my box of bits as I had originally bought a mono kit but built it as a tri gear. Im going out to the airfield this morning so will see if I can find them for you. Kind regards Donald -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 15/12/17, David Watts wrote: Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger fork To: "Europa Forum" Date: Friday, 15 December, 2017, 6:29 Watts Hi all, Has anybody in the UK got a spare outrigger fork or two that I could persuade them to part with? Dave Watts G-BXDY Classic Mono 912S Airmaster 2450 hrs The Europa-List Email Forum - Navigator to browse List Un/Subscription, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - via the Web Forums! - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - Email List Wiki! - List Contribution Web Site - support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outrigger fork From: David Watts Donald, Thanks again for your help. I have just had a fork snap in half at the top. Dave > On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:23, DONALD CAMERON wrote: > > > Morning David > > I will have the out rigger forks in my box of bits as I had originally bought a mono kit but built it as a tri gear. > > Im going out to the airfield this morning so will see if I can find them for you. > > Kind regards > Donald > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 15/12/17, David Watts wrote: > > Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger fork > To: "Europa Forum" > Date: Friday, 15 December, 2017, 6:29 > > Watts > > Hi all, > > Has anybody in the UK got a spare > outrigger fork or two that I could persuade them to part > with? > > Dave Watts > G-BXDY Classic Mono 912S Airmaster 2450 > hrs > > The Europa-List Email Forum - > Navigator to browse > List Un/Subscription, > 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > via the Web Forums! > - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > Email List Wiki! > - List Contribution Web Site - > support! > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:52 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas From: "Ivor" Hi Duncan as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit for purpose, my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:17 AM PST US From: Donald Cameron Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outrigger fork Hi Dave I have been at the airfield and have found all the mono parts for the outriggers. Is it just the bits that are attached to the wing brackets for the outrigger legs you require? Regards Donald G-PUPY Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:42, David Watts wrote: > > > Donald, > > Thanks again for your help. > I have just had a fork snap in half at the top. > > Dave > >> On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:23, DONALD CAMERON wrote: >> >> >> Morning David >> >> I will have the out rigger forks in my box of bits as I had originally bought a mono kit but built it as a tri gear. >> >> Im going out to the airfield this morning so will see if I can find them for you. >> >> Kind regards >> Donald >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Fri, 15/12/17, David Watts wrote: >> >> Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger fork >> To: "Europa Forum" >> Date: Friday, 15 December, 2017, 6:29 >> >> Watts >> >> Hi all, >> >> Has anybody in the UK got a spare >> outrigger fork or two that I could persuade them to part >> with? >> >> Dave Watts >> G-BXDY Classic Mono 912S Airmaster 2450 >> hrs >> >> The Europa-List Email Forum - >> Navigator to browse >> List Un/Subscription, >> 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> via the Web Forums! >> - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >> Email List Wiki! >> - List Contribution Web Site - >> support! >> >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas From: Pete Lawless Hi Ivor Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch Pete G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: > > Hi Duncan > > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when hopefully > a more permanent solution is found, > IMO if a hose designed for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit > for purpose, > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outrigger fork From: David Watts Hi Donald, The bit I need is the fork that actually holds the wheel at the bottom of the outrigger leg. The fork is made from thin flat steel shaped as a fork with a round tube welded on top so that it can be attached to the outrigger leg. Dave > On 15 Dec 2017, at 18:15, Donald Cameron wrote: > > > Hi Dave > > I have been at the airfield and have found all the mono parts for the outriggers. Is it just the bits that are attached to the wing brackets for the outrigger legs you require? > > Regards > Donald > G-PUPY > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:42, David Watts wrote: >> >> >> Donald, >> >> Thanks again for your help. >> I have just had a fork snap in half at the top. >> >> Dave >> >>> On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:23, DONALD CAMERON wrote: >>> >>> >>> Morning David >>> >>> I will have the out rigger forks in my box of bits as I had originally bought a mono kit but built it as a tri gear. >>> >>> Im going out to the airfield this morning so will see if I can find them for you. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Donald >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> On Fri, 15/12/17, David Watts wrote: >>> >>> Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger fork >>> To: "Europa Forum" >>> Date: Friday, 15 December, 2017, 6:29 >>> >>> Watts >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Has anybody in the UK got a spare >>> outrigger fork or two that I could persuade them to part >>> with? >>> >>> Dave Watts >>> G-BXDY Classic Mono 912S Airmaster 2450 >>> hrs >>> >>> The Europa-List Email Forum - >>> Navigator to browse >>> List Un/Subscription, >>> 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, >>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>> via the Web Forums! >>> - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >>> Email List Wiki! >>> - List Contribution Web Site - >>> support! >>> >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:35 AM PST US From: Donald Cameron Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outrigger fork Hi Dave Photos attached showing parts, presume from your description it Is the middle bag. Regards Donald Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Dec 2017, at 18:31, David Watts wrote: > > > Hi Donald, > > The bit I need is the fork that actually holds the wheel at the bottom of t he outrigger leg. The fork is made from thin flat steel shaped as a fork wit h a round tube welded on top so that it can be attached to the outrigger leg .. > > Dave > >> On 15 Dec 2017, at 18:15, Donald Cameron wrote : >> om> >> >> Hi Dave >> >> I have been at the airfield and have found all the mono parts for the out riggers. Is it just the bits that are attached to the wing brackets for the o utrigger legs you require? >> >> Regards >> Donald >> G-PUPY >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:42, David Watts wrote: >>> >>> >>> Donald, >>> >>> Thanks again for your help. >>> I have just had a fork snap in half at the top. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>>> On 15 Dec 2017, at 09:23, DONALD CAMERON wro te: >>>> .com> >>>> >>>> Morning David >>>> >>>> I will have the out rigger forks in my box of bits as I had originally b ought a mono kit but built it as a tri gear. >>>> >>>> I=99m going out to the airfield this morning so will see if I can find them for you. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> Donald >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> On Fri, 15/12/17, David Watts wrote: >>>> >>>> Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger fork >>>> To: "Europa Forum" >>>> Date: Friday, 15 December, 2017, 6:29 >>>> >>>> Watts >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Has anybody in the UK got a spare >>>> outrigger fork or two that I could persuade them to part >>>> with? >>>> >>>> Dave Watts >>>> G-BXDY Classic Mono 912S Airmaster 2450 >>>> hrs >>>> >>>> The Europa-List Email Forum - >>>> Navigator to browse >>>> List Un/Subscription, >>>> 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, >>>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>>> via the Web Forums! >>>> - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >>>> Email List Wiki! >>>> - List Contribution Web Site - >>>> support! >>>> >>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:30 AM PST US From: "Andy Ringrose" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Carbuildersolutions.com have a silicon fuel filler hose 51mm I.D part no. SKU:SILFF51BK Time will tell if it's an improvement on the standard hose. I also have an aluminium pipe in place of the factory version due to early concerns re fuel immersion particularly on the Mono. The lower joining section had identical deterioration to that which Ivor reported. Time in service 10 years mostly with Premium unleaded. Andy GMAUS Mono -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Hi Ivor Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch Pete G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:55 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas From: "Roland" Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size? I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best available. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476416#476416 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:21 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of the LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ On 2017-12-15 19:54, Roland wrote: > > Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size? > I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best available. > Regards > Roland > PH-ZTI > XS TG 914 > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476416#476416 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476416#476416 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:55 PM PST US From: anthony van eldik Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Dear David, For your information my fuel filler hose dated 2001 was inspected independen tly by two engineers including my inspector and found to be in very good con dition inside/out.Fuel used over the years was BP premium unleaded .Pending a suitable replacement the hose will be refitted. It should be possible to find a replacement silicone fuel approved hose. I have the Xs extended bagg age bay short hose version. Regards Anthony van Eldik Sent from my iPad > On 15 Dec 2017, at 20:17, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > > Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of t he LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon > > Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ > > > > >> On 2017-12-15 19:54, Roland wrote: >> >> >> Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size? >> I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fu el filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best available. >> Regards >> Roland >> PH-ZTI >> XS TG 914 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476416#476416 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >> ics.com >> .com >> .matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:04 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Anthony, It would be interested to know whether you usually fill the fuel system (and if so ? up to the top) before you put the plane away or whether you fill up just before you go flying. That is will that pipe have spent most of its life in contact with fuel or with fumes? Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2017-12-15 20:47, anthony van eldik wrote: > Dear David, > > For your information my fuel filler hose dated 2001 was inspected independently by two engineers including my inspector and found to be in very good condition inside/out.Fuel used over the years was BP premium unleaded .Pending a suitable replacement the hose will be refitted. It should be possible to find a replacement silicone fuel approved hose. I have the Xs extended baggage bay short hose version. > Regards > Anthony van Eldik > > Sent from my iPad > > On 15 Dec 2017, at 20:17, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > > Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of the LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon > > Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ > > On 2017-12-15 19:54, Roland wrote: > > > Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size? > I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best available. > Regards > Roland > PH-ZTI > XS TG 914 > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476416#476416 [1] > > ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > ics.com [2] > .com > .matronics.com/contribution [3] Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476416#476416 [2] http://ics.com [3] http://matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:18 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas From: "Roland" Thanks, David. I think I'll replace the hose by a new silicon hose or the original one from Europa for at least another 5 years peace of mind. What amazes me is, that there are huge differences in the condition of the hoses although exposed in a similar environment. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476420#476420 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:09 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas David and all, Over here in the States we weld up a 57 degree elbow out of 2" .049 6061T-6 . Cut to fit. 2" fuel hose pieces and done. Rather than those beautiful bent tubes, would the LAA allow such a simple m od that only costs a few bucks to make? The certified welder is the only co st. I cut the tube on my compound miter saw. Curt welds it up in 10 minutes. It takes 5 minutes to trim up the ends to f it. Best Regards, Bud Yerly, Custom Flight Creations, Inc. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Dec 15, 2017 4:20 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: Anthony, It would be interested to know whether you usually fill the fuel s ystem (and if so ? up to the top) before you put the plane away or whether you fill up just before you go flying. That is will that pipe have spent mo st of its life in contact with fuel or with fumes? Regards, David Joyce, GX SDJ On 2017-12-15 20:47, anthony van eldik wrote: Dear David, For your information my fuel filler hose dated 2001 was inspected independe ntly by two engineers including my inspector and found to be in very good c ondition inside/out.Fuel used over the years was BP premium unleaded .Pend ing a suitable replacement the hose will be refitted. It should be possibl e to find a replacement silicone fuel approved hose. I have the Xs extended baggage bay short hose version. Regards Anthony van Eldik Sent from my iPad On 15 Dec 2017, at 20:17, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of th e LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ On 2017-12-15 19:54, Roland wrote: hmidtroland@web.de>> Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size? I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best available. 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AIL December 2017 All Europas Bud, Sounds great to me but I think Pete Jeffers is the one to answer that - he is our LAA inspector on the committee and very much involved with trying to get a sensible solution approved. Regards, David On 2017-12-15 21:29, Bud Yerly wrote: > David and all, > Over here in the States we weld up a 57 degree elbow out of 2" .049 6061T-6. Cut to fit. 2" fuel hose pieces and done. > > Rather than those beautiful bent tubes, would the LAA allow such a simple mod that only costs a few bucks to make? The certified welder is the only cost. I cut the tube on my compound miter saw. > Curt welds it up in 10 minutes. It takes 5 minutes to trim up the ends to fit. > > Best Regards, > > _Bud Yerly,_ > _Custom Flight Creations, Inc._ > > _Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID_ > On Dec 15, 2017 4:20 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > > Anthony, It would be interested to know whether you usually fill the fuel system (and if so ? up to the top) before you put the plane away or whether you fill up just before you go flying. That is will that pipe have spent most of its life in contact with fuel or with fumes? Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ > > On 2017-12-15 20:47, anthony van eldik wrote: Dear David, > > For your information my fuel filler hose dated 2001 was inspected independently by two engineers including my inspector and found to be in very good condition inside/out.Fuel used over the years was BP premium unleaded .Pending a suitable replacement the hose will be refitted. It should be possible to find a replacement silicone fuel approved hose. I have the Xs extended baggage bay short hose version. > Regards > Anthony van Eldik > > Sent from my iPad > > On 15 Dec 2017, at 20:17, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > > Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of the LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon > > Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ > > On 2017-12-15 19:54, Roland wrote: > > > Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size? > I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best available. > Regards > Roland > PH-ZTI > XS TG 914 > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476416#476416 [1] > > ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > ics.com [2] > .com > .matronics.com/contribution [3] Links: ------ [1] https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.matronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D476416%23476416&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1607c8349d004ab4888d08d54401b863%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636489696528699264&sdata=MBIZBTQOYXpOxqxPJXeg8HihA9NCm%2FSz5S6lcWFD2qc%3D&reserved=0 [2] https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fics.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1607c8349d004ab4888d08d54401b863%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636489696528699264&sdata=QKxT107V8uubbNvKhZoyhFj5TbXb4Jq5HSMU497Q8vU%3D&reserved=0 [3] https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmatronics.com%2Fcontribution&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1607c8349d004ab4888d08d54401b863%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636489696528699264&sdata=QIOSWkmjpyJ2tOboOJFp6MX6P7LDYdwB1WOFweFnios%3D&reserved=0 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:13 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Control slop From: "rampil" The Enemy of Good is Better! -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476424#476424 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:53 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Control slop Hahaha.... Thanks for your adjustment to Fred the great. And thanks to everyone....I will follow Bud's advice and leave well alone...... for now. Will On Dec 15, 2017 17:46, "rampil" wrote: > > The Enemy of Good is Better! > > -------- > Ira N224XS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476424#476424 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.