Europa-List Digest Archive

Sat 12/16/17


Total Messages Posted: 21



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:48 AM - Re: Outrigger fork (Ian Cook)
     2. 01:13 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Brian Davies)
     3. 01:27 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All 	Europas (Brian Davies)
     4. 01:32 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All 	Europas (Brian Davies)
     5. 01:50 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All 	Europas (Pete Lawless)
     6. 02:29 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All 	Europas (Brian Davies)
     7. 02:43 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All 	Europas (Alan Burrill)
     8. 03:04 AM - Re: Replacement fuel filler pipe for CLASSIC as per SM 13070 (JohnFrance)
     9. 03:20 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All 	Europas (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
    10. 03:28 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (david park)
    11. 03:52 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Danny)
    12. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
    13. 07:09 AM - Re: Replacement fuel filler pipe for CLASSIC as per SM 13070 (jonathanmilbank)
    14. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (David Watts)
    15. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Brian Davies)
    16. 08:56 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/12/17 (Ferg Kyle)
    17. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All 	Europas (Pete Lawless)
    18. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Roger Sheridan)
    19. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All 	Europas (Pete Lawless)
    20. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Jan de Jong)
    21. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Jan de Jong)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:48:29 AM PST US
    From: Ian Cook <iancook_1@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Outrigger fork
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    Time: 01:13:28 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Davies" <brian.davies44@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
    Europas Hi Bud, "would the LAA allow such a simple mod"- Nobody is standing in the way of simple mods, it's just that no one has asked! Regards Brian From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bud Yerly Sent: 15 December 2017 21:30 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas David and all, Over here in the States we weld up a 57 degree elbow out of 2" .049 6061T-6. Cut to fit. 2" fuel hose pieces and done. Rather than those beautiful bent tubes, would the LAA allow such a simple mod that only costs a few bucks to make? The certified welder is the only cost. I cut the tube on my compound miter saw. Curt welds it up in 10 minutes. It takes 5 minutes to trim up the ends to fit. Best Regards, Bud Yerly, Custom Flight Creations, Inc. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Dec 15, 2017 4:20 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: Anthony, It would be interested to know whether you usually fill the fuel system (and if so ? up to the top) before you put the plane away or whether you fill up just before you go flying. That is will that pipe have spent most of its life in contact with fuel or with fumes? Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2017-12-15 20:47, anthony van eldik wrote: Dear David, For your information my fuel filler hose dated 2001 was inspected independently by two engineers including my inspector and found to be in very good condition inside/out.Fuel used over the years was BP premium unleaded .Pending a suitable replacement the hose will be refitted. It should be possible to find a replacement silicone fuel approved hose. I have the Xs extended baggage bay short hose version. Regards Anthony van Eldik Sent from my iPad On 15 Dec 2017, at 20:17, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of the LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ On 2017-12-15 19:54, Roland wrote: Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size? I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best available. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476416#476416 <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.mat ronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D476416%23476416&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1607c8349 d004ab4888d08d54401b863%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6364896 96528699264&sdata=MBIZBTQOYXpOxqxPJXeg8HihA9NCm%2FSz5S6lcWFD2qc%3D&reserved 0> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ics.com <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fics.com&da ta=02%7C01%7C%7C1607c8349d004ab4888d08d54401b863%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaa aaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636489696528699264&sdata=QKxT107V8uubbNvKhZoyhFj5TbXb4Jq5H SMU497Q8vU%3D&reserved=0> .com .matronics.com/contribution <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmatronics. com%2Fcontribution&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1607c8349d004ab4888d08d54401b863%7C84df 9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636489696528699264&sdata=QIOSWkmjpyJ2 tOboOJFp6MX6P7LDYdwB1WOFweFnios%3D&reserved=0> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam paign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Image removed by sender. Virus-free. <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam paign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> www.avg.com


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    Time: 01:27:44 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Davies" <brian.davies44@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    Also www.demon-tweeks.co.uk Choice of three suppliers 51mm fuel filler hose . Note that silicone hose must be lined with fuel resistant material and that is only specified for short term contact with liquid fuel but long term contact with fuel vapours. Regards Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Ringrose Sent: 15 December 2017 19:10 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas --> <andy_ringrose@onetel.com> Carbuildersolutions.com have a silicon fuel filler hose 51mm I.D part no. SKU:SILFF51BK Time will tell if it's an improvement on the standard hose. I also have an aluminium pipe in place of the factory version due to early concerns re fuel immersion particularly on the Mono. The lower joining section had identical deterioration to that which Ivor reported. Time in service 10 years mostly with Premium unleaded. Andy GMAUS Mono -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Hi Ivor Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch Pete G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com


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    Time: 01:32:51 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Davies" <brian.davies44@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Hi Ivor Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch Pete G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: > > Hi Duncan > > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit for purpose, > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com


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    Time: 01:50:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    From: Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info>
    Hi Brian I have been working with John Archer to get the standard mod for converting the classic filler tube to aluminium approved. This is currently with Andy Draper and just about ready to go. LAA will only consider fully fuel proof hose, which is the Samco Pro Fuel. Everything I have found other than this is only usable as a filler not for permanent contact. The same problem will apply to the XS replacement. Pete On 16/12/17 09:27, Brian Davies wrote: > > Also www.demon-tweeks.co.uk > > Choice of three suppliers 51mm fuel filler hose . > > Note that silicone hose must be lined with fuel resistant material and that is only specified for short term contact with liquid fuel but long term contact with fuel vapours. > > Regards > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Ringrose > Sent: 15 December 2017 19:10 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas > > --> <andy_ringrose@onetel.com> > > Carbuildersolutions.com have a silicon fuel filler hose 51mm I.D part no. SKU:SILFF51BK > > Time will tell if it's an improvement on the standard hose. I also have an aluminium pipe in place of the factory version due to early concerns re fuel immersion particularly on the Mono. The lower joining section had identical deterioration to that which Ivor reported. Time in service 10 years mostly with Premium unleaded. > > Andy > > GMAUS Mono > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless > Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas > > > Hi Ivor > > Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. > > https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch > > Pete > > G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > >


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    Time: 02:29:49 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Davies" <brian.davies44@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    Hi Pete, You have expressed the problem much more clearly than I did. You could use rubber instead of lined silicone hoses but it is hard (impossible?) to find out if the rubber is proof against modern Mogas without actually testing it. It is, however, nearly 1/4 inch thick so it should last for at least a year. :-) Regards Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: 16 December 2017 09:50 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Hi Brian I have been working with John Archer to get the standard mod for converting the classic filler tube to aluminium approved. This is currently with Andy Draper and just about ready to go. LAA will only consider fully fuel proof hose, which is the Samco Pro Fuel. Everything I have found other than this is only usable as a filler not for permanent contact. The same problem will apply to the XS replacement. Pete On 16/12/17 09:27, Brian Davies wrote: > > Also www.demon-tweeks.co.uk > > Choice of three suppliers 51mm fuel filler hose . > > Note that silicone hose must be lined with fuel resistant material and that is only specified for short term contact with liquid fuel but long term contact with fuel vapours. > > Regards > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Ringrose > Sent: 15 December 2017 19:10 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas > > --> <andy_ringrose@onetel.com> > > Carbuildersolutions.com have a silicon fuel filler hose 51mm I.D part no. SKU:SILFF51BK > > Time will tell if it's an improvement on the standard hose. I also have an aluminium pipe in place of the factory version due to early concerns re fuel immersion particularly on the Mono. The lower joining section had identical deterioration to that which Ivor reported. Time in service 10 years mostly with Premium unleaded. > > Andy > > GMAUS Mono > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless > Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas > > > Hi Ivor > > Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. > > https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch > > Pete > > G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > >


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    Time: 02:43:07 AM PST US
    From: Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    Ive been looking at the Samco Pro for an XS, has the shorter 45 degree bend rubber pipe. Unfortunately my measurements indicate I need one with leg lengths of 100mm and 160mm which is not standard and would be a special order. Ive been quoted Feb 18 delivery if I provide a drawing. Anyone found a suitable replacement elsewhere? Of course I could just use the one from Europa but I guess that routine checking and/or replacement is going to become a maintenance item so silicon would be a sensible lifetime solution. Alan G-OBJT Sent from my iPad > On 16 Dec 2017, at 10:29, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Pete, > > You have expressed the problem much more clearly than I did. You could use rubber instead of lined silicone hoses but it is hard (impossible?) to find out if the rubber is proof against modern Mogas without actually testing it. It is, however, nearly 1/4 inch thick so it should last for at least a year. :-) > Regards > > Brian > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless > Sent: 16 December 2017 09:50 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas > > > Hi Brian > > I have been working with John Archer to get the standard mod for converting the classic filler tube to aluminium approved. This is currently with Andy Draper and just about ready to go. LAA will only consider fully fuel proof hose, which is the Samco Pro Fuel. Everything I have found other than this is only usable as a filler not for permanent contact. The same problem will apply to the XS replacement. > > Pete > > >> On 16/12/17 09:27, Brian Davies wrote: >> >> Also www.demon-tweeks.co.uk >> >> Choice of three suppliers 51mm fuel filler hose . >> >> Note that silicone hose must be lined with fuel resistant material and that is only specified for short term contact with liquid fuel but long term contact with fuel vapours. >> >> Regards >> >> Brian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Ringrose >> Sent: 15 December 2017 19:10 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas >> >> --> <andy_ringrose@onetel.com> >> >> Carbuildersolutions.com have a silicon fuel filler hose 51mm I.D part no. SKU:SILFF51BK >> >> Time will tell if it's an improvement on the standard hose. I also have an aluminium pipe in place of the factory version due to early concerns re fuel immersion particularly on the Mono. The lower joining section had identical deterioration to that which Ivor reported. Time in service 10 years mostly with Premium unleaded. >> >> Andy >> >> GMAUS Mono >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless >> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas >> >> >> Hi Ivor >> >> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. >> >> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch >> >> Pete >> >> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:04:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Replacement fuel filler pipe for CLASSIC as per SM 13070
    From: "JohnFrance" <77alembert@gmail.com>
    To help ascertain whether this is the correct pipe for you please find attached a drawing. Please contact me if you have any questions. John -------- Europa mono Nr 192 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476434#476434 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/92009bf6_bad7_4862_8542_af9d6f50cdf0_270.png


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    Time: 03:20:11 AM PST US
    From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's m uch lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?Graham On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail .com> wrote: m> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 Al l Europas Hi Ivor Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with a luminium.=C2- The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-p sch Pete G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: > > Hi Duncan > > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s not fit for purpose, > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.


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    Time: 03:28:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    From: david park <dpark748@me.com>
    Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem Dave Park > On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com > wrote: > > Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's m uch lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc. > Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago. > It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up? > Graham > > > On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.co m> wrote: > > m> > > Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless > Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 A ll Europas > > > Hi Ivor > > Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with a luminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for pe trol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. > > https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose- psch > > Pete > > G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic > > > On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: > > > > Hi Duncan > > > > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from > > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when > > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed > > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s not fit for purpose, > > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an > > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > > ================== > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > http://forums.matro - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > http://wiki.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contrib============== ======== > > > > >


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    Time: 03:52:06 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    From: Danny <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
    Hi All, I bought a aluminium elbow from Tim when my wife and I had a tour of New Zealand, I think it was Febuary 2007. I have only used Ethonal free mogas since my first flight in Febuary 2009. As you can see from the pic the rubber connecters are perfect. Does this prove that the problem is the use of ethonal moges and maybe avgas !!. I wonder if Tim can produce more of these elbow. Cheers Danny. G.c.e.r.i XS tri On 16/12/2017 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, > it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding > erosion etc. > Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago. > It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up? > Graham > > > On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies > <brian.davies44@gmail.com> wrote: > > > <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> > > Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless > Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 > To: europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December > 2017 All Europas > > <mailto:pete@lawless.info>> > > Hi Ivor > > Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe > with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed > 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead > time. > > https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch > > Pete > > G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic > > > On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: > <mailto:g-iver@live.co.uk>> > > > > Hi Duncan > > > > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from > > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when > > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed > > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit for purpose, > > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an > > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> > > > ================== > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-; - MATRONICS WEB > FORUMS - > http://forums.matro - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > http://wiki.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contrib====================== > >


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    Time: 06:29:13 AM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com and use a straight section of alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote: > Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem > > Dave Park > > On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc. >> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago. >> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up? >> Graham >> >> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. >> >> Brian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless >> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas >> >> >> Hi Ivor >> >> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. >> >> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch [1] >> >> Pete >> >> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic >> >> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: >>> >>> Hi Duncan >>> >>> as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from >>> Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when >>> hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed >>> for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then itEUR(tm)s not fit for purpose, >>> my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an >>> original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 [2] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com [3] >> >> =================== >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa- [4]; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> http://forums.matro [5] - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - http://wiki.matronics.com [6] >> http://www.matronics.com/contrib====================== Links: ------ [1] https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch [2] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 [3] http://www.avg.com/ [4] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa- [5] http://forums.matro [6] http://wiki.matronics.com


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    Time: 07:09:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Replacement fuel filler pipe for CLASSIC as per SM 13070
    From: "jonathanmilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
    Here's mine which I was lucky enough to obtain from dear Nev. It has LAA mod approval, but I can't give any of its history. Sorry. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476439#476439 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/3g_eiky_fuel_filler_191.jpg


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    Time: 07:37:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    From: David Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net>
    I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item number 3007 35817645 for less than =C2=A320. May be suitable. Dave Watts G-BXDY > On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > > Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium weld er it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel filler hose f rom carbuildersolutions.com and use a straight section of alloy tubing to ma ke up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ > > > > >> On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote: >> >> >> <image1.jpeg> >> >> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem >> >> Dave Park >> >> >>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.c om> wrote: >>> >>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it' s much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc. >>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago. >>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up? >>> Graham >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail. com> wrote: >>> >>> com> >>> >>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-s erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless >>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas >>> >>> >>> Hi Ivor >>> >>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe wit h aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. >>> >>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hos e-psch >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic >>> >>> >>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Duncan >>> > >>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from >>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when >>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed >>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s n ot fit for purpose, >>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an >>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Read this topic online here: >>> > >>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> http://www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ================== >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-; - MATRONICS WEB FORU MS - >>> http://forums.matro - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >>> http://wiki.matronics.com >>> http://www.matronics.com/contrib============== ========


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    Time: 08:31:33 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Davies" <brian.davies@clara.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    The angle is nearer 60 degrees so I am not sure it would work. It would be nice if it did. Brian From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts Sent: 16 December 2017 15:35 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item number 300735817645 for less than =C2=A320. May be suitable. Dave Watts G-BXDY On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com and use a straight section of alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote: <image1.jpeg> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem Dave Park On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote: Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc. Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago. It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up? Graham On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.com> wrote: <brian.davies44@gmail.com> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Hi Ivor Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose -psch Pete G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: > > Hi Duncan > > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s not fit for purpose, > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 > > > > > > > > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> ================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - http://forums.matro - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - http://wiki.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contrib============== ======== <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link& utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free. <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link& utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> www.avg.com


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    Time: 08:56:33 AM PST US
    From: Ferg Kyle <f.kyle@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/12/17
    Is there something revolutionary happening to my traditional English? In either HTML or text all I get is a jumble of mixed letters in paragraph form. Its not like it used be. Help! Fergus Kyle f.kyle@sympatico.ca > On Dec 13, 2017, at 2:49 AM, Europa-List Digest Server <europa-list@matronics.com> wrote: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 17-12-12&Archive=Europa > > Text Version:


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    Time: 09:42:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    From: Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info>
    The LAA will want chapter and verse on its suitability for petrol + ethalene fuel. Pete On 16/12/17 15:35, David Watts wrote: > I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item > number300735817645 for less than 20. May be suitable. > > Dave Watts > G-BXDY > > On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk > <mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote: > >> Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium >> welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel >> filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com >> <http://carbuildersolutions.com> and use a straight section of alloy >> tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ >> >> On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote: >> >>> >>> <image1.jpeg> >>> >>> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem >>> >>> Dave Park >>> >>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON >>> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com >>> <mailto:grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium >>>> elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic >>>> regarding erosion etc. >>>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago. >>>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up? >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies >>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> >>>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. >>>> Brian >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> >>>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Pete >>>> Lawless >>>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 >>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> >>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December >>>> 2017 All Europas >>>> <mailto:pete@lawless.info>> >>>> Hi Ivor >>>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic >>>> pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is >>>> guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on >>>> a 42 day lead time. >>>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch >>>> Pete >>>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic >>>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: >>>> <mailto:g-iver@live.co.uk>> >>>> > >>>> > Hi Duncan >>>> > >>>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from >>>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when >>>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed >>>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit for purpose, >>>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an >>>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Read this topic online here: >>>> > >>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>> http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> >>>> >>>> ================== >>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-; - MATRONICS WEB >>>> FORUMS - >>>> http://forums.matro - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >>>> http://wiki.matronics.com >>>> http://www.matronics.com/contrib====================== >>>> >>>>


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    Time: 10:26:46 AM PST US
    From: Roger Sheridan <rogersheridan@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    Chaps, This link has some interesting information on variations in =9Cfluorosilicone=9D hose. http://www.silflex.com/products/fuel-oil-applications.html <http://www.silflex.com/products/fuel-oil-applications.html> I will be looking for the term =9Cprofuel=9D. Regards, Roger > On 16 Dec 2017, at 17:41, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info> wrote: > > The LAA will want chapter and verse on its suitability for petrol + ethalene fuel. > > Pete > > > On 16/12/17 15:35, David Watts wrote: >> I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item number 300735817645 for less than =C2=A320. May be suitable. >> >> Dave Watts >> G-BXDY >> >> On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk <mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote: >> >>> Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com <http://carbuildersolutions.com/> and use a straight section of alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> <image1.jpeg> >>>> >>>> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem >>>> >>>> Dave Park >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com <mailto:grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc. >>>>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago. >>>>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up? >>>>> Graham >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> >>>>> >>>>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. >>>>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless >>>>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 >>>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas >>>>> <mailto:pete@lawless.info>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ivor >>>>> >>>>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose- psch <https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose -psch> >>>>> >>>>> Pete >>>>> >>>>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: <mailto:g-iver@live.co.uk>> >>>>> > >>>>> > Hi Duncan >>>>> > >>>>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from >>>>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when >>>>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed >>>>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2 s not fit for purpose, >>>>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an >>>>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Read this topic online here: >>>>> > >>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>> http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ================== >>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa- <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa->; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>>>> http://forums.matro <http://forums.matro/> - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >>>>> http://wiki.matronics.com <http://wiki.matronics.com/> >>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contrib============ =========== <http://www.matronics.com/contrib============== =========> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >


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    Time: 11:12:45 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    From: Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info>
    Roger I think ProFuel is a Samco brand name. Pete On 16/12/17 18:26, Roger Sheridan wrote: > Chaps, > > This link has some interesting information on variations in > fluorosilicone hose. > > http://www.silflex.com/products/fuel-oil-applications.html > > I will be looking for the term profuel. > > Regards, > > Roger > >> On 16 Dec 2017, at 17:41, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info >> <mailto:pete@lawless.info>> wrote: >> >> The LAA will want chapter and verse on its suitability for petrol + >> ethalene fuel. >> >> Pete >> >> >> On 16/12/17 15:35, David Watts wrote: >>> I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item >>> number300735817645 for less than 20. May be suitable. >>> >>> Dave Watts >>> G-BXDY >>> >>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28,davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk >>> <mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>wrote: >>> >>>> Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame >>>> aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined >>>> angled fuel filler hose fromcarbuildersolutions.com >>>> <http://carbuildersolutions.com/>and use a straight section of >>>> alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> <image1.jpeg> >>>>> >>>>> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem >>>>> >>>>> Dave Park >>>>> >>>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON >>>>> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com >>>>> <mailto:grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium >>>>>> elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic >>>>>> regarding erosion etc. >>>>>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago. >>>>>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up? >>>>>> Graham >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies >>>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> >>>>>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. >>>>>> Brian >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Pete Lawless >>>>>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 >>>>>> To:europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL >>>>>> December 2017 All Europas >>>>>> <pete@lawless.info <mailto:pete@lawless.info>> >>>>>> Hi Ivor >>>>>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic >>>>>> pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is >>>>>> guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is >>>>>> on a 42 day lead time. >>>>>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch >>>>>> Pete >>>>>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic >>>>>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: >>>>>> <mailto:g-iver@live.co.uk>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Hi Duncan >>>>>> > >>>>>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original >>>>>> hose from >>>>>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when >>>>>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose >>>>>> designed >>>>>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit for >>>>>> purpose, >>>>>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade >>>>>> so an >>>>>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Read this topic online here: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>>> http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> >>>>>> >>>>>> ================== >>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-; - MATRONICS >>>>>> WEB FORUMS - >>>>>> http://forums.matro <http://forums.matro/> - NEW MATRONICS >>>>>> LIST WIKI - >>>>>> http://wiki.matronics.com <http://wiki.matronics.com/> >>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contrib====================== >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >> >


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    Time: 11:34:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    From: Jan de Jong <jan_de_jong@casema.nl>
    According to the Silflex website Samco is a brand of theirs. On 12/16/2017 8:12 PM, Pete Lawless wrote: > > Roger I think ProFuel is a Samco brand name. > > Pete > > > On 16/12/17 18:26, Roger Sheridan wrote: >> Chaps, >> >> This link has some interesting information on variations in >> fluorosilicone hose. >> >> http://www.silflex.com/products/fuel-oil-applications.html >> >> I will be looking for the term profuel. >> >> Regards, >> >> Roger >> >>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 17:41, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info >>> <mailto:pete@lawless.info>> wrote: >>> >>> The LAA will want chapter and verse on its suitability for petrol + >>> ethalene fuel. >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> >>> On 16/12/17 15:35, David Watts wrote: >>>> I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item >>>> number 300735817645 for less than 20. May be suitable. >>>> >>>> Dave Watts >>>> G-BXDY >>>> >>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28,davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk >>>> <mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame >>>>> aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined >>>>> angled fuel filler hose fromcarbuildersolutions.com >>>>> <http://carbuildersolutions.com/>and use a straight section of >>>>> alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <image1.jpeg> >>>>>> >>>>>> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave Park >>>>>> >>>>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON >>>>>> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com >>>>>> <mailto:grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium >>>>>>> elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic >>>>>>> regarding erosion etc. >>>>>>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago. >>>>>>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up? >>>>>>> Graham >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies >>>>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> >>>>>>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. >>>>>>> Brian >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>>>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>>>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Pete Lawless >>>>>>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 >>>>>>> To:europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL >>>>>>> December 2017 All Europas >>>>>>> <pete@lawless.info <mailto:pete@lawless.info>> >>>>>>> Hi Ivor >>>>>>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic >>>>>>> pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is >>>>>>> guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is >>>>>>> on a 42 day lead time. >>>>>>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch >>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic >>>>>>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: >>>>>>> <mailto:g-iver@live.co.uk>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Hi Duncan >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original >>>>>>> hose from >>>>>>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when >>>>>>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose >>>>>>> designed >>>>>>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit for >>>>>>> purpose, >>>>>>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to >>>>>>> degrade so an >>>>>>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Read this topic online here: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>>>> http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ================== >>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-; - MATRONICS >>>>>>> WEB FORUMS - >>>>>>> http://forums.matro <http://forums.matro/> - NEW >>>>>>> MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >>>>>>> http://wiki.matronics.com <http://wiki.matronics.com/> >>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contrib====================== >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >


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    Time: 11:43:12 AM PST US
    From: Jan de Jong <jan_de_jong@casema.nl>
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    According to the Silflex website Samco is a brand of theirs. Correction (too fast): Silflex manufactures Samco hose. Silflex and Samco both use the term Profuel in their description of the good stuff. Samco apparently uses "ProFuel" as a brand name. On 12/16/2017 8:12 PM, Pete Lawless wrote: > > Roger I think ProFuel is a Samco brand name. > > Pete > > > On 16/12/17 18:26, Roger Sheridan wrote: >> Chaps, >> >> This link has some interesting information on variations in >> fluorosilicone hose. >> >> http://www.silflex.com/products/fuel-oil-applications.html >> >> I will be looking for the term profuel. >> >> Regards, >> >> Roger >> >>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 17:41, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info >>> <mailto:pete@lawless.info>> wrote: >>> >>> The LAA will want chapter and verse on its suitability for petrol + >>> ethalene fuel. >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> >>> On 16/12/17 15:35, David Watts wrote: >>>> I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item >>>> number 300735817645 for less than 20. May be suitable. >>>> >>>> Dave Watts >>>> G-BXDY >>>> >>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28,davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk >>>> <mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame >>>>> aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined >>>>> angled fuel filler hose fromcarbuildersolutions.com >>>>> <http://carbuildersolutions.com/>and use a straight section of >>>>> alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <image1.jpeg> >>>>>> >>>>>> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave Park >>>>>> >>>>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON >>>>>> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com >>>>>> <mailto:grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium >>>>>>> elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic >>>>>>> regarding erosion etc. >>>>>>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago. >>>>>>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up? >>>>>>> Graham >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies >>>>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> >>>>>>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. >>>>>>> Brian >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>>>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>>>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Pete Lawless >>>>>>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 >>>>>>> To:europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL >>>>>>> December 2017 All Europas >>>>>>> <pete@lawless.info <mailto:pete@lawless.info>> >>>>>>> Hi Ivor >>>>>>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic >>>>>>> pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is >>>>>>> guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is >>>>>>> on a 42 day lead time. >>>>>>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch >>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic >>>>>>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: >>>>>>> <mailto:g-iver@live.co.uk>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Hi Duncan >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original >>>>>>> hose from >>>>>>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when >>>>>>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose >>>>>>> designed >>>>>>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit for >>>>>>> purpose, >>>>>>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to >>>>>>> degrade so an >>>>>>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Read this topic online here: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>>>> http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ================== >>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-; - MATRONICS >>>>>>> WEB FORUMS - >>>>>>> http://forums.matro <http://forums.matro/> - NEW >>>>>>> MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >>>>>>> http://wiki.matronics.com <http://wiki.matronics.com/> >>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contrib====================== >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >




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