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1. 12:48 AM - Re: Outrigger fork (Ian Cook)
2. 01:13 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Brian Davies)
3. 01:27 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Brian Davies)
4. 01:32 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Brian Davies)
5. 01:50 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Pete Lawless)
6. 02:29 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Brian Davies)
7. 02:43 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Alan Burrill)
8. 03:04 AM - Re: Replacement fuel filler pipe for CLASSIC as per SM 13070 (JohnFrance)
9. 03:20 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
10. 03:28 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (david park)
11. 03:52 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Danny)
12. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
13. 07:09 AM - Re: Replacement fuel filler pipe for CLASSIC as per SM 13070 (jonathanmilbank)
14. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (David Watts)
15. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Brian Davies)
16. 08:56 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/12/17 (Ferg Kyle)
17. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Pete Lawless)
18. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Roger Sheridan)
19. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Pete Lawless)
20. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Jan de Jong)
21. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Jan de Jong)
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Europas
Hi Bud,
"would the LAA allow such a simple mod"- Nobody is standing in the way of
simple mods, it's just that no one has asked!
Regards
Brian
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bud Yerly
Sent: 15 December 2017 21:30
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
Europas
David and all,
Over here in the States we weld up a 57 degree elbow out of 2" .049 6061T-6.
Cut to fit. 2" fuel hose pieces and done.
Rather than those beautiful bent tubes, would the LAA allow such a simple
mod that only costs a few bucks to make? The certified welder is the only
cost. I cut the tube on my compound miter saw.
Curt welds it up in 10 minutes. It takes 5 minutes to trim up the ends to
fit.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly,
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
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On Dec 15, 2017 4:20 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
Anthony, It would be interested to know whether you usually fill the fuel
system (and if so ? up to the top) before you put the plane away or whether
you fill up just before you go flying. That is will that pipe have spent
most of its life in contact with fuel or with fumes? Regards, David Joyce,
GXSDJ
On 2017-12-15 20:47, anthony van eldik wrote:
Dear David,
For your information my fuel filler hose dated 2001 was inspected
independently by two engineers including my inspector and found to be in
very good condition inside/out.Fuel used over the years was BP premium
unleaded .Pending a suitable replacement the hose will be refitted. It
should be possible to find a replacement silicone fuel approved hose. I have
the Xs extended baggage bay short hose version.
Regards
Anthony van Eldik
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On 15 Dec 2017, at 20:17, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of the
LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon
Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ
On 2017-12-15 19:54, Roland wrote:
Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size?
I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel
filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose
the best available.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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Also www.demon-tweeks.co.uk
Choice of three suppliers 51mm fuel filler hose .
Note that silicone hose must be lined with fuel resistant material and that is
only specified for short term contact with liquid fuel but long term contact with
fuel vapours.
Regards
Brian
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Ringrose
Sent: 15 December 2017 19:10
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
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Carbuildersolutions.com have a silicon fuel filler hose 51mm I.D part no. SKU:SILFF51BK
Time will tell if it's an improvement on the standard hose. I also have an aluminium
pipe in place of the factory version due to early concerns re fuel immersion
particularly on the Mono. The lower joining section had identical deterioration
to that which Ivor reported. Time in service 10 years mostly with Premium
unleaded.
Andy
GMAUS Mono
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
Hi Ivor
Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium.
The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is
Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
Pete
G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
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Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
Brian
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
Hi Ivor
Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium.
The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is
Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
Pete
G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
>
> Hi Duncan
>
> as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
> Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
> hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed
> for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit for purpose,
> my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an
> original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
>
>
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Hi Brian
I have been working with John Archer to get the standard mod for
converting the classic filler tube to aluminium approved. This is
currently with Andy Draper and just about ready to go. LAA will only
consider fully fuel proof hose, which is the Samco Pro Fuel. Everything
I have found other than this is only usable as a filler not for
permanent contact. The same problem will apply to the XS replacement.
Pete
On 16/12/17 09:27, Brian Davies wrote:
>
> Also www.demon-tweeks.co.uk
>
> Choice of three suppliers 51mm fuel filler hose .
>
> Note that silicone hose must be lined with fuel resistant material and that is
only specified for short term contact with liquid fuel but long term contact
with fuel vapours.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Ringrose
> Sent: 15 December 2017 19:10
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
Europas
>
> --> <andy_ringrose@onetel.com>
>
> Carbuildersolutions.com have a silicon fuel filler hose 51mm I.D part no. SKU:SILFF51BK
>
> Time will tell if it's an improvement on the standard hose. I also have an aluminium
pipe in place of the factory version due to early concerns re fuel immersion
particularly on the Mono. The lower joining section had identical deterioration
to that which Ivor reported. Time in service 10 years mostly with Premium
unleaded.
>
> Andy
>
> GMAUS Mono
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
Europas
>
>
> Hi Ivor
>
> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium.
The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol
is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
>
> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
>
> Pete
>
> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Hi Pete,
You have expressed the problem much more clearly than I did. You could use rubber
instead of lined silicone hoses but it is hard (impossible?) to find out if
the rubber is proof against modern Mogas without actually testing it. It is,
however, nearly 1/4 inch thick so it should last for at least a year. :-)
Regards
Brian
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: 16 December 2017 09:50
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
Hi Brian
I have been working with John Archer to get the standard mod for converting the
classic filler tube to aluminium approved. This is currently with Andy Draper
and just about ready to go. LAA will only consider fully fuel proof hose, which
is the Samco Pro Fuel. Everything I have found other than this is only usable
as a filler not for permanent contact. The same problem will apply to the
XS replacement.
Pete
On 16/12/17 09:27, Brian Davies wrote:
>
> Also www.demon-tweeks.co.uk
>
> Choice of three suppliers 51mm fuel filler hose .
>
> Note that silicone hose must be lined with fuel resistant material and that is
only specified for short term contact with liquid fuel but long term contact
with fuel vapours.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Ringrose
> Sent: 15 December 2017 19:10
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
Europas
>
> --> <andy_ringrose@onetel.com>
>
> Carbuildersolutions.com have a silicon fuel filler hose 51mm I.D part no. SKU:SILFF51BK
>
> Time will tell if it's an improvement on the standard hose. I also have an aluminium
pipe in place of the factory version due to early concerns re fuel immersion
particularly on the Mono. The lower joining section had identical deterioration
to that which Ivor reported. Time in service 10 years mostly with Premium
unleaded.
>
> Andy
>
> GMAUS Mono
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
Europas
>
>
> Hi Ivor
>
> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium.
The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol
is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
>
> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
>
> Pete
>
> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>
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Ive been looking at the Samco Pro for an XS, has the shorter 45 degree bend rubber
pipe. Unfortunately my measurements indicate I need one with leg lengths of
100mm and 160mm which is not standard and would be a special order. Ive been
quoted Feb 18 delivery if I provide a drawing.
Anyone found a suitable replacement elsewhere?
Of course I could just use the one from Europa but I guess that routine checking
and/or replacement is going to become a maintenance item so silicon would be
a sensible lifetime solution.
Alan
G-OBJT
Sent from my iPad
> On 16 Dec 2017, at 10:29, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> You have expressed the problem much more clearly than I did. You could use rubber
instead of lined silicone hoses but it is hard (impossible?) to find out
if the rubber is proof against modern Mogas without actually testing it. It is,
however, nearly 1/4 inch thick so it should last for at least a year. :-)
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
> Sent: 16 December 2017 09:50
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
Europas
>
>
> Hi Brian
>
> I have been working with John Archer to get the standard mod for converting the
classic filler tube to aluminium approved. This is currently with Andy Draper
and just about ready to go. LAA will only consider fully fuel proof hose,
which is the Samco Pro Fuel. Everything I have found other than this is only
usable as a filler not for permanent contact. The same problem will apply to
the XS replacement.
>
> Pete
>
>
>> On 16/12/17 09:27, Brian Davies wrote:
>>
>> Also www.demon-tweeks.co.uk
>>
>> Choice of three suppliers 51mm fuel filler hose .
>>
>> Note that silicone hose must be lined with fuel resistant material and that
is only specified for short term contact with liquid fuel but long term contact
with fuel vapours.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Ringrose
>> Sent: 15 December 2017 19:10
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
Europas
>>
>> --> <andy_ringrose@onetel.com>
>>
>> Carbuildersolutions.com have a silicon fuel filler hose 51mm I.D part no. SKU:SILFF51BK
>>
>> Time will tell if it's an improvement on the standard hose. I also have an aluminium
pipe in place of the factory version due to early concerns re fuel immersion
particularly on the Mono. The lower joining section had identical deterioration
to that which Ivor reported. Time in service 10 years mostly with Premium
unleaded.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> GMAUS Mono
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
Europas
>>
>>
>> Hi Ivor
>>
>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium.
The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol
is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
>>
>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Replacement fuel filler pipe for CLASSIC as per SM 13070 |
To help ascertain whether this is the correct pipe for you please find attached
a drawing.
Please contact me if you have any questions.
John
--------
Europa mono Nr 192
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476434#476434
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Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's m
uch lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.Tim
Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.It wouldn't be
difficult to weld one up?Graham
On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail
.com> wrote:
m>
Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 Al
l Europas
Hi Ivor
Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with a
luminium.=C2- The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100%
for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-p
sch
Pete
G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
>
> Hi Duncan
>
> as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
> Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
> hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed
> for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s not
fit for purpose,
> my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an
> original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
>
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Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem
Dave Park
> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
> wrote:
>
> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's m
uch lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.
> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
> Graham
>
>
> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.co
m> wrote:
>
>
m>
>
> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 A
ll Europas
>
>
> Hi Ivor
>
> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with a
luminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for pe
trol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
>
> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-
psch
>
> Pete
>
> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>
>
> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
> >
> > Hi Duncan
> >
> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed
> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s not
fit for purpose,
> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an
> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Hi All, I bought a aluminium elbow from Tim when my wife and I had a
tour of New Zealand, I think it was Febuary 2007. I have only used
Ethonal free mogas since my first flight in Febuary 2009. As you can see
from the pic the rubber connecters are perfect. Does this prove that the
problem is the use of ethonal moges and maybe avgas !!. I wonder if Tim
can produce more of these elbow.
Cheers Danny. G.c.e.r.i XS tri
On 16/12/2017 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote:
> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow,
> it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding
> erosion etc.
> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
> Graham
>
>
> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies
> <brian.davies44@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>>
>
> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
> To: europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December
> 2017 All Europas
>
> <mailto:pete@lawless.info>>
>
> Hi Ivor
>
> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe
> with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed
> 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead
> time.
>
> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
>
> Pete
>
> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>
>
> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
> <mailto:g-iver@live.co.uk>>
> >
> > Hi Duncan
> >
> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed
> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit for purpose,
> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an
> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium
welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel
filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com and use a straight section of
alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ
On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote:
> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem
>
> Dave Park
>
> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much
lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.
>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
>> Graham
>>
>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
Europas
>>
>>
>> Hi Ivor
>>
>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium.
The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol
is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
>>
>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch [1]
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>>
>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Duncan
>>>
>>> as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
>>> Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
>>> hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed
>>> for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then itEUR(tm)s not fit for purpose,
>>> my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an
>>> original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 [2]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Replacement fuel filler pipe for CLASSIC as per SM 13070 |
Here's mine which I was lucky enough to obtain from dear Nev. It has LAA mod approval,
but I can't give any of its history. Sorry.
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I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item number 3007
35817645 for less than =C2=A320. May be suitable.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY
> On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium weld
er it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel filler hose f
rom carbuildersolutions.com and use a straight section of alloy tubing to ma
ke up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ
>
>
>
>
>> On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote:
>>
>>
>> <image1.jpeg>
>>
>> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem
>>
>> Dave Park
>>
>>
>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.c
om> wrote:
>>>
>>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it'
s much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.
>>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
>>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.
com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
com>
>>>
>>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-s
erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
>>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017
All Europas
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Ivor
>>>
>>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe wit
h aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for
petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
>>>
>>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hos
e-psch
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Duncan
>>> >
>>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
>>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
>>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed
>>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s n
ot fit for purpose,
>>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an
>>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>> >
>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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The angle is nearer 60 degrees so I am not sure it would work. It would
be nice if it did.
Brian
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts
Sent: 16 December 2017 15:35
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017
All Europas
I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item number
300735817645 for less than =C2=A320. May be suitable.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY
On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium
welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel
filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com and use a straight section of
alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ
On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote:
<image1.jpeg>
Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem
Dave Park
On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON
<grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow,
it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion
etc.
Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
Graham
On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies
<brian.davies44@gmail.com> wrote:
<brian.davies44@gmail.com>
Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Lawless
Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017
All Europas
Hi Ivor
Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe
with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed
100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead
time.
https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose
-psch
Pete
G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
>
> Hi Duncan
>
> as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
> Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
> hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed
> for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s
not fit for purpose,
> my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an
> original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Is there something revolutionary happening to my traditional English? In either
HTML or text all I get is a jumble of mixed letters in paragraph form. Its not
like it used be. Help!
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The LAA will want chapter and verse on its suitability for petrol +
ethalene fuel.
Pete
On 16/12/17 15:35, David Watts wrote:
> I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item
> number300735817645 for less than 20. May be suitable.
>
> Dave Watts
> G-BXDY
>
> On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
> <mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium
>> welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel
>> filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com
>> <http://carbuildersolutions.com> and use a straight section of alloy
>> tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ
>>
>> On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>
>>> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem
>>>
>>> Dave Park
>>>
>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON
>>> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
>>> <mailto:grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium
>>>> elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic
>>>> regarding erosion etc.
>>>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
>>>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies
>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>>
>>>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
>>>> Brian
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
>>>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Pete
>>>> Lawless
>>>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
>>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December
>>>> 2017 All Europas
>>>> <mailto:pete@lawless.info>>
>>>> Hi Ivor
>>>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic
>>>> pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is
>>>> guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on
>>>> a 42 day lead time.
>>>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
>>>> Pete
>>>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>>>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
>>>> <mailto:g-iver@live.co.uk>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Duncan
>>>> >
>>>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
>>>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
>>>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed
>>>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit for purpose,
>>>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an
>>>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>>> >
>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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Chaps,
This link has some interesting information on variations in
=9Cfluorosilicone=9D hose.
http://www.silflex.com/products/fuel-oil-applications.html
<http://www.silflex.com/products/fuel-oil-applications.html>
I will be looking for the term =9Cprofuel=9D.
Regards,
Roger
> On 16 Dec 2017, at 17:41, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info> wrote:
>
> The LAA will want chapter and verse on its suitability for petrol +
ethalene fuel.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On 16/12/17 15:35, David Watts wrote:
>> I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item
number 300735817645 for less than =C2=A320. May be suitable.
>>
>> Dave Watts
>> G-BXDY
>>
>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
<mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame
aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled
fuel filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com
<http://carbuildersolutions.com/> and use a straight section of alloy
tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>>
>>>> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem
>>>>
>>>> Dave Park
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON
<grahamsingleton@btinternet.com <mailto:grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium
elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding
erosion etc.
>>>>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
>>>>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies
<brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
<brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Pete
Lawless
>>>>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
>>>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL
December 2017 All Europas
>>>>>
<mailto:pete@lawless.info>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ivor
>>>>>
>>>>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic
pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is
guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42
day lead time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-
psch
<https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose
-psch>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pete
>>>>>
>>>>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
<mailto:g-iver@live.co.uk>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi Duncan
>>>>> >
>>>>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose
from
>>>>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season
when
>>>>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose
designed
>>>>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2
s not fit for purpose,
>>>>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade
so an
>>>>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is
found,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Roger I think ProFuel is a Samco brand name.
Pete
On 16/12/17 18:26, Roger Sheridan wrote:
> Chaps,
>
> This link has some interesting information on variations in
> fluorosilicone hose.
>
> http://www.silflex.com/products/fuel-oil-applications.html
>
> I will be looking for the term profuel.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roger
>
>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 17:41, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info
>> <mailto:pete@lawless.info>> wrote:
>>
>> The LAA will want chapter and verse on its suitability for petrol +
>> ethalene fuel.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>> On 16/12/17 15:35, David Watts wrote:
>>> I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item
>>> number300735817645 for less than 20. May be suitable.
>>>
>>> Dave Watts
>>> G-BXDY
>>>
>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28,davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
>>> <mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame
>>>> aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined
>>>> angled fuel filler hose fromcarbuildersolutions.com
>>>> <http://carbuildersolutions.com/>and use a straight section of
>>>> alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>>>
>>>>> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Park
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON
>>>>> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
>>>>> <mailto:grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium
>>>>>> elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic
>>>>>> regarding erosion etc.
>>>>>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
>>>>>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies
>>>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>>
>>>>>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Pete Lawless
>>>>>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
>>>>>> To:europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL
>>>>>> December 2017 All Europas
>>>>>> <pete@lawless.info <mailto:pete@lawless.info>>
>>>>>> Hi Ivor
>>>>>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic
>>>>>> pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is
>>>>>> guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is
>>>>>> on a 42 day lead time.
>>>>>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>>>>>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
>>>>>> <mailto:g-iver@live.co.uk>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Hi Duncan
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original
>>>>>> hose from
>>>>>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
>>>>>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose
>>>>>> designed
>>>>>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit for
>>>>>> purpose,
>>>>>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade
>>>>>> so an
>>>>>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
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According to the Silflex website Samco is a brand of theirs.
On 12/16/2017 8:12 PM, Pete Lawless wrote:
>
> Roger I think ProFuel is a Samco brand name.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On 16/12/17 18:26, Roger Sheridan wrote:
>> Chaps,
>>
>> This link has some interesting information on variations in
>> fluorosilicone hose.
>>
>> http://www.silflex.com/products/fuel-oil-applications.html
>>
>> I will be looking for the term profuel.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 17:41, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info
>>> <mailto:pete@lawless.info>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The LAA will want chapter and verse on its suitability for petrol +
>>> ethalene fuel.
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16/12/17 15:35, David Watts wrote:
>>>> I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item
>>>> number 300735817645 for less than 20. May be suitable.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Watts
>>>> G-BXDY
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28,davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
>>>> <mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame
>>>>> aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined
>>>>> angled fuel filler hose fromcarbuildersolutions.com
>>>>> <http://carbuildersolutions.com/>and use a straight section of
>>>>> alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave Park
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON
>>>>>> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
>>>>>> <mailto:grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium
>>>>>>> elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic
>>>>>>> regarding erosion etc.
>>>>>>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
>>>>>>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies
>>>>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Pete Lawless
>>>>>>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
>>>>>>> To:europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL
>>>>>>> December 2017 All Europas
>>>>>>> <pete@lawless.info <mailto:pete@lawless.info>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ivor
>>>>>>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic
>>>>>>> pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is
>>>>>>> guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is
>>>>>>> on a 42 day lead time.
>>>>>>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
>>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>>>>>>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
>>>>>>> <mailto:g-iver@live.co.uk>>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Hi Duncan
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original
>>>>>>> hose from
>>>>>>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
>>>>>>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose
>>>>>>> designed
>>>>>>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit for
>>>>>>> purpose,
>>>>>>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to
>>>>>>> degrade so an
>>>>>>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
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According to the Silflex website Samco is a brand of theirs.
Correction (too fast): Silflex manufactures Samco hose. Silflex and
Samco both use the term Profuel in their description of the good stuff.
Samco apparently uses "ProFuel" as a brand name.
On 12/16/2017 8:12 PM, Pete Lawless wrote:
>
> Roger I think ProFuel is a Samco brand name.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On 16/12/17 18:26, Roger Sheridan wrote:
>> Chaps,
>>
>> This link has some interesting information on variations in
>> fluorosilicone hose.
>>
>> http://www.silflex.com/products/fuel-oil-applications.html
>>
>> I will be looking for the term profuel.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 17:41, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info
>>> <mailto:pete@lawless.info>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The LAA will want chapter and verse on its suitability for petrol +
>>> ethalene fuel.
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16/12/17 15:35, David Watts wrote:
>>>> I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item
>>>> number 300735817645 for less than 20. May be suitable.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Watts
>>>> G-BXDY
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28,davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
>>>> <mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame
>>>>> aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined
>>>>> angled fuel filler hose fromcarbuildersolutions.com
>>>>> <http://carbuildersolutions.com/>and use a straight section of
>>>>> alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave Park
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON
>>>>>> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
>>>>>> <mailto:grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium
>>>>>>> elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic
>>>>>>> regarding erosion etc.
>>>>>>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
>>>>>>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies
>>>>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <brian.davies44@gmail.com <mailto:brian.davies44@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Pete Lawless
>>>>>>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
>>>>>>> To:europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL
>>>>>>> December 2017 All Europas
>>>>>>> <pete@lawless.info <mailto:pete@lawless.info>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ivor
>>>>>>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic
>>>>>>> pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is
>>>>>>> guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is
>>>>>>> on a 42 day lead time.
>>>>>>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
>>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>>>>>>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
>>>>>>> <mailto:g-iver@live.co.uk>>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Hi Duncan
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original
>>>>>>> hose from
>>>>>>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
>>>>>>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose
>>>>>>> designed
>>>>>>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then its not fit for
>>>>>>> purpose,
>>>>>>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to
>>>>>>> degrade so an
>>>>>>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
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