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1. 01:02 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (tennant)
2. 02:44 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (anthony van eldik)
3. 02:46 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (anthony van eldik)
4. 02:53 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (anthony van eldik)
5. 06:34 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Richard Wheelwright)
6. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Tim Ward)
7. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Pete Lawless)
8. 12:23 PM - Aluminium Elbow (Tim Ward)
9. 01:35 PM - 2017 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle)
10. 02:07 PM - Re: Aluminium Elbow (Pete)
11. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Brian Davies)
12. 11:15 PM - Re: Aluminium Elbow (Alan Twigg)
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Gentelmen,
We have bunches of 6061 Aluminium tube 50mm dia in stock that we would cut to whatever
length you need.
Barry
--------
Barry Tennant
D-EHBT
At EDLM - Germany
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All |
Europas
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> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
> wrote:
>
> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's m
uch lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.
> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
> Graham
>
>
> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.co
m> wrote:
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m>
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> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 A
ll Europas
>
>
> Hi Ivor
>
> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with a
luminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for pe
trol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
>
> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-
psch
>
> Pete
>
> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>
>
> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
> >
> > Hi Duncan
> >
> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed
> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s not
fit for purpose,
> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an
> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All |
Europas
Sent from my iPad
> On 17 Dec 2017, at 10:43, anthony van eldik <afc.tulips7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.co
m> wrote:
>>
>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's
much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.
>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
>> Graham
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.c
om> wrote:
>>
>>
om>
>>
>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-se
rver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 A
ll Europas
>>
>>
>> Hi Ivor
>>
>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with
aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for p
etrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
>>
>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose
-psch
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>>
>>
>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Duncan
>> >
>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed
>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s no
t fit for purpose,
>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an
>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All |
Europas
Dear Graham,
I fully agree with you this would be the best solution. Silicon fuel resista
nt hose in 51 size is readily available and it should be possible to obtain a
luminium 60 degrees elbows like Tim Ward had many years ago.
Anthony Van Eldik
Sent from my iPad
> On 17 Dec 2017, at 10:43, anthony van eldik <afc.tulips7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.co
m> wrote:
>>
>> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's
much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.
>> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
>> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
>> Graham
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.c
om> wrote:
>>
>>
n.davies44@gmail.comil.com>
>>
>> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-se
rver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
>> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 A
ll Europas
>>
>>
>> Hi Ivor
>>
>> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with
aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for p
etrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
>>
>> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose
-psch
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
>>
>>
>> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Duncan
>> >
>> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
>> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
>> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed
>> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s no
t fit for purpose,
>> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an
>> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Just completed the check on G-IRPW. And all is well. Just for info I did fit Tim
Wards elbow a few years ago.
--------
Richard Wheelwright
G-IRPW
First Flight 24th July 2013
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Hi Europa owners,
It has become evident my aluminium elbow maybe in demand again.
I can ask the manufacturer of the aluminium elbow to make another run. This would
require at least ten Europa owners to commit to buying. As I am now flying
to Heathrow again I can bring them with me and post them in Londontown to save
cost. American builders also, as I am in Los Angeles/San Francisco frequently.
Those builders interested in buying an elbow please email me. If there are enough
I will get a price for you before committing.
I have had no problem with this fuel flow connection.
Merry Christmas.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
> On 18/12/2017, at 3:34 AM, Richard Wheelwright <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Just completed the check on G-IRPW. And all is well. Just for info I did fit
Tim Wards elbow a few years ago.
>
> --------
> Richard Wheelwright
> G-IRPW
> First Flight 24th July 2013
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476460#476460
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Hi Tim
I have just been involved in getting together an LAA Standard Mod for
the classic long fuel pipe to be made in aluminium. One of the LAA
requirements was documentary proof that the type of aluminium used was
suitable for use with petrol containing ethanol.
Regards
Pete
G-RMAC Europa #109 classic
On 17/12/17 19:02, Tim Ward wrote:
>
> Hi Europa owners,
> It has become evident my aluminium elbow maybe in demand again.
> I can ask the manufacturer of the aluminium elbow to make another run. This would
require at least ten Europa owners to commit to buying. As I am now flying
to Heathrow again I can bring them with me and post them in Londontown to save
cost. American builders also, as I am in Los Angeles/San Francisco frequently.
> Those builders interested in buying an elbow please email me. If there are enough
I will get a price for you before committing.
> I have had no problem with this fuel flow connection.
> Merry Christmas.
> Cheers,
> Tim
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand
>
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>
> Mob +64 210640221
>
>
>> On 18/12/2017, at 3:34 AM, Richard Wheelwright <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just completed the check on G-IRPW. And all is well. Just for info I did fit
Tim Wards elbow a few years ago.
>>
>> --------
>> Richard Wheelwright
>> G-IRPW
>> First Flight 24th July 2013
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476460#476460
>>
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/58e4a1ae_d8b9_43d9_a5c9_b35c398813c7_133.jpeg
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EUROPA ALUMINIUM FUEL FILLER PIPE
*Aluminium pipe is used to join the roto-polyurethane
=9Ccobra=9D fuel inlet tube to the fuel tank inlet.
*The Aluminium pipe is bent to 55 degrees
*The pipe is supplied with added length so it can be cut to the desired
length.
*Clean inside of pipe with a mild solvent or Motor gas.
*Cut fuel resistant rubber hose to join at both ends with Hose
clamps.
Supplied by Tim Ward.
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton
Christchurch
New Zealand
Phone 0064 3 3515166
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
2 Hose Clamps
Rubber Hose
2 Hose Clamps
Fuel Tank inlet
Aluminium Pipe
Fuel Tank
Plastic Fuel Filler
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminium Elbow |
I'm in, although being in canada, I guess mailing it USPS would be the best w
ay.
Please let me know the cost, and ill forward you my addess etc.
Cheers and thx,
Pete :)
A239
> On Dec 17, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> EUROPA ALUMINIUM FUEL FILLER PIPE
>
> *Aluminium pipe is used to join the roto-polyurethane =9Ccobra
=9D fuel inlet tube to the fuel tank inlet.
>
> *The Aluminium pipe is bent to 55 degrees
>
> *The pipe is supplied with added length so it can be cut to the desired le
ngth.
>
> *Clean inside of pipe with a mild solvent or Motor gas.
>
> *Cut fuel resistant rubber hose to join at both ends with Hose clamps.
>
> Supplied by Tim Ward.
> 12 Waiwetu Street
> Fendalton
> Christchurch
> New Zealand
>
> Phone 0064 3 3515166
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>
> <clip_image001[2].gif><clip_image002[2].gif>
> 2 Hose Clamps
>
> <clip_image004[2].gif>
> Rubber Hose
>
> 2 Hose Clamps
>
>
> <clip_image005[2].gif><clip_image006[2].gif><clip_image007[2].gif>
> Fuel Tank inlet
>
> <clip_image008[2].gif>
> Aluminium Pipe
>
> <clip_image009[2].gif><clip_image010[2].gif><clip_image011[2].gif><clip_im
age012[2].gif><clip_image013[2].gif>
> Fuel Tank
>
> <clip_image014[2].gif><clip_image015[2].gif><clip_image016[2].gif><clip_im
age017[2].gif><clip_image018[2].gif><clip_image019[2].gif><clip_image020[3].
gif> P
lastic Fuel Filler
> <Wardery.vcf>
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Guys,
Before you all rush to fit aluminium elbows to LAA aircraft please note that
there is not currently an approved mod to do so. This is being worked on by
Andy Draper but until we see what it says, particularly with regard to what
spec joining hose is acceptable, we don't know what to buy. As I fitted one
of Tim's elbows 10 years ago I am hoping this will now get approved quickly
by a standard mod to regularise the situation.
Regards
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward
Sent: 17 December 2017 19:02
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
Europas
Hi Europa owners,
It has become evident my aluminium elbow maybe in demand again.
I can ask the manufacturer of the aluminium elbow to make another run. This
would require at least ten Europa owners to commit to buying. As I am now
flying to Heathrow again I can bring them with me and post them in
Londontown to save cost. American builders also, as I am in Los Angeles/San
Francisco frequently.
Those builders interested in buying an elbow please email me. If there are
enough I will get a price for you before committing.
I have had no problem with this fuel flow connection.
Merry Christmas.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
> On 18/12/2017, at 3:34 AM, Richard Wheelwright <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>
> --> <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Just completed the check on G-IRPW. And all is well. Just for info I did
fit Tim Wards elbow a few years ago.
>
> --------
> Richard Wheelwright
> G-IRPW
> First Flight 24th July 2013
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476460#476460
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/58e4a1ae_d8b9_43d9_a5c9_b35c398813c
> 7_133.jpeg
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminium Elbow |
Tim I do not need one just yet but put me down for one, I am sure I will nee
d it in due course.
Alan Twigg
Motorglider kit 463
Oxfordshire UK
Sent from my iPad
> On 17 Dec 2017, at 22:06, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>
> I'm in, although being in canada, I guess mailing it USPS would be the bes
t way.
>
> Please let me know the cost, and ill forward you my addess etc.
>
> Cheers and thx,
> Pete :)
> A239
>
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> EUROPA ALUMINIUM FUEL FILLER PIPE
>>
>> *Aluminium pipe is used to join the roto-polyurethane =9Ccobra
=9D fuel inlet tube to the fuel tank inlet.
>>
>> *The Aluminium pipe is bent to 55 degrees
>>
>> *The pipe is supplied with added length so it can be cut to the desired l
ength.
>>
>> *Clean inside of pipe with a mild solvent or Motor gas.
>>
>> *Cut fuel resistant rubber hose to join at both ends with Hose clamps.
>>
>> Supplied by Tim Ward.
>> 12 Waiwetu Street
>> Fendalton
>> Christchurch
>> New Zealand
>>
>> Phone 0064 3 3515166
>> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>>
>> <clip_image001[2].gif><clip_image002[2].gif>
>> 2 Hose Clamps
>>
>> <clip_image004[2].gif>
>> Rubber Hose
>>
>> 2 Hose Clamps
>>
>>
>> <clip_image005[2].gif><clip_image006[2].gif><clip_image007[2].gif>
>> Fuel Tank inlet
>>
>> <clip_image008[2].gif>
>> Aluminium Pipe
>>
>> <clip_image009[2].gif><clip_image010[2].gif><clip_image011[2].gif><clip_i
mage012[2].gif><clip_image013[2].gif>
>> Fuel Tank
>>
>> <clip_image014[2].gif><clip_image015[2].gif><clip_image016[2].gif><clip_i
mage017[2].gif><clip_image018[2].gif><clip_image019[2].gif><clip_image020[3]
.gif> P
lastic Fuel Filler
>> <Wardery.vcf>
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