---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/17/17: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:02 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (tennant) 2. 02:44 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (anthony van eldik) 3. 02:46 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (anthony van eldik) 4. 02:53 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (anthony van eldik) 5. 06:34 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Richard Wheelwright) 6. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Tim Ward) 7. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Pete Lawless) 8. 12:23 PM - Aluminium Elbow (Tim Ward) 9. 01:35 PM - 2017 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle) 10. 02:07 PM - Re: Aluminium Elbow (Pete) 11. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Brian Davies) 12. 11:15 PM - Re: Aluminium Elbow (Alan Twigg) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:51 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas From: "tennant" Gentelmen, We have bunches of 6061 Aluminium tube 50mm dia in stock that we would cut to whatever length you need. Barry -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476456#476456 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:48 AM PST US From: anthony van eldik Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Sent from my iPad > On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > > Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's m uch lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc. > Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago. > It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up? > Graham > > > On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies wrote: > > m> > > Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless > Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 A ll Europas > > > Hi Ivor > > Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with a luminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for pe trol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. > > https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose- psch > > Pete > > G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic > > > On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: > > > > Hi Duncan > > > > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from > > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when > > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed > > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s not fit for purpose, > > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an > > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > > ================== > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > http://forums.matro - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > http://wiki.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contrib============== ======== > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:08 AM PST US From: anthony van eldik Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Sent from my iPad > On 17 Dec 2017, at 10:43, anthony van eldik wrote: > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: >> >> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc. >> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago. >> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up? >> Graham >> >> >> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies wrote: >> >> om> >> >> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. >> >> Brian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-se rver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless >> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 A ll Europas >> >> >> Hi Ivor >> >> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for p etrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. >> >> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose -psch >> >> Pete >> >> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic >> >> >> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: >> > >> > Hi Duncan >> > >> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from >> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when >> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed >> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s no t fit for purpose, >> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an >> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> >> >> >> ================== >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-; - MATRONICS WEB FORUM S - >> http://forums.matro - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >> http://wiki.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contrib============== ======== >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:13 AM PST US From: anthony van eldik Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Dear Graham, I fully agree with you this would be the best solution. Silicon fuel resista nt hose in 51 size is readily available and it should be possible to obtain a luminium 60 degrees elbows like Tim Ward had many years ago. Anthony Van Eldik Sent from my iPad > On 17 Dec 2017, at 10:43, anthony van eldik wrote: > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: >> >> Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc. >> Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago. >> It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up? >> Graham >> >> >> On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies wrote: >> >> n.davies44@gmail.comil.com> >> >> Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery. >> >> Brian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-se rver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless >> Sent: 15 December 2017 18:20 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 A ll Europas >> >> >> Hi Ivor >> >> Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium. The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for p etrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time. >> >> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose -psch >> >> Pete >> >> G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic >> >> >> On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote: >> > >> > Hi Duncan >> > >> > as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from >> > Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when >> > hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed >> > for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s no t fit for purpose, >> > my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an >> > original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found, >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> >> >> >> ================== >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-; - MATRONICS WEB FORUM S - >> http://forums.matro - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >> http://wiki.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contrib============== ======== >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:52 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas From: "Richard Wheelwright" Just completed the check on G-IRPW. And all is well. Just for info I did fit Tim Wards elbow a few years ago. -------- Richard Wheelwright G-IRPW First Flight 24th July 2013 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476460#476460 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/58e4a1ae_d8b9_43d9_a5c9_b35c398813c7_133.jpeg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas From: Tim Ward Hi Europa owners, It has become evident my aluminium elbow maybe in demand again. I can ask the manufacturer of the aluminium elbow to make another run. This would require at least ten Europa owners to commit to buying. As I am now flying to Heathrow again I can bring them with me and post them in Londontown to save cost. American builders also, as I am in Los Angeles/San Francisco frequently. Those builders interested in buying an elbow please email me. If there are enough I will get a price for you before committing. I have had no problem with this fuel flow connection. Merry Christmas. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand ward.t@xtra.co.nz Mob +64 210640221 > On 18/12/2017, at 3:34 AM, Richard Wheelwright wrote: > > > Just completed the check on G-IRPW. And all is well. Just for info I did fit Tim Wards elbow a few years ago. > > -------- > Richard Wheelwright > G-IRPW > First Flight 24th July 2013 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476460#476460 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/58e4a1ae_d8b9_43d9_a5c9_b35c398813c7_133.jpeg > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas From: Pete Lawless Hi Tim I have just been involved in getting together an LAA Standard Mod for the classic long fuel pipe to be made in aluminium. One of the LAA requirements was documentary proof that the type of aluminium used was suitable for use with petrol containing ethanol. Regards Pete G-RMAC Europa #109 classic On 17/12/17 19:02, Tim Ward wrote: > > Hi Europa owners, > It has become evident my aluminium elbow maybe in demand again. > I can ask the manufacturer of the aluminium elbow to make another run. This would require at least ten Europa owners to commit to buying. As I am now flying to Heathrow again I can bring them with me and post them in Londontown to save cost. American builders also, as I am in Los Angeles/San Francisco frequently. > Those builders interested in buying an elbow please email me. If there are enough I will get a price for you before committing. > I have had no problem with this fuel flow connection. > Merry Christmas. > Cheers, > Tim > Tim Ward > 12 Waiwetu Street, > Fendalton, > Christchurch, 8052 > New Zealand > > ward.t@xtra.co.nz > > Mob +64 210640221 > > >> On 18/12/2017, at 3:34 AM, Richard Wheelwright wrote: >> >> >> Just completed the check on G-IRPW. And all is well. Just for info I did fit Tim Wards elbow a few years ago. >> >> -------- >> Richard Wheelwright >> G-IRPW >> First Flight 24th July 2013 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476460#476460 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/58e4a1ae_d8b9_43d9_a5c9_b35c398813c7_133.jpeg >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:10 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Europa-List: Aluminium Elbow EUROPA ALUMINIUM FUEL FILLER PIPE *Aluminium pipe is used to join the roto-polyurethane =9Ccobra=9D fuel inlet tube to the fuel tank inlet. *The Aluminium pipe is bent to 55 degrees *The pipe is supplied with added length so it can be cut to the desired length. *Clean inside of pipe with a mild solvent or Motor gas. *Cut fuel resistant rubber hose to join at both ends with Hose clamps. Supplied by Tim Ward. 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton Christchurch New Zealand Phone 0064 3 3515166 ward.t@xtra.co.nz 2 Hose Clamps Rubber Hose 2 Hose Clamps Fuel Tank inlet Aluminium Pipe Fuel Tank Plastic Fuel Filler ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:35:43 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: 2017 List of Contributors Dear Listers, The 2017 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of weeks ago and it's time that I published this year's List of Contributors (LOC). It is the people on this list that directly make these Email Lists and Forums possible! Their generous Contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running! You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 And finally, I'm proud to present The 2017 Fund Raiser List of Contributors: http://www.matronics.com/loc Thank you again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aluminium Elbow From: Pete I'm in, although being in canada, I guess mailing it USPS would be the best w ay. Please let me know the cost, and ill forward you my addess etc. Cheers and thx, Pete :) A239 > On Dec 17, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Tim Ward wrote: > > EUROPA ALUMINIUM FUEL FILLER PIPE > > *Aluminium pipe is used to join the roto-polyurethane =9Ccobra =9D fuel inlet tube to the fuel tank inlet. > > *The Aluminium pipe is bent to 55 degrees > > *The pipe is supplied with added length so it can be cut to the desired le ngth. > > *Clean inside of pipe with a mild solvent or Motor gas. > > *Cut fuel resistant rubber hose to join at both ends with Hose clamps. > > Supplied by Tim Ward. > 12 Waiwetu Street > Fendalton > Christchurch > New Zealand > > Phone 0064 3 3515166 > ward.t@xtra.co.nz > > > 2 Hose Clamps > > > Rubber Hose > > 2 Hose Clamps > > > > Fuel Tank inlet > > > Aluminium Pipe > > > Fuel Tank > > P lastic Fuel Filler > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:27 PM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Guys, Before you all rush to fit aluminium elbows to LAA aircraft please note that there is not currently an approved mod to do so. This is being worked on by Andy Draper but until we see what it says, particularly with regard to what spec joining hose is acceptable, we don't know what to buy. As I fitted one of Tim's elbows 10 years ago I am hoping this will now get approved quickly by a standard mod to regularise the situation. Regards Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward Sent: 17 December 2017 19:02 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Hi Europa owners, It has become evident my aluminium elbow maybe in demand again. I can ask the manufacturer of the aluminium elbow to make another run. This would require at least ten Europa owners to commit to buying. As I am now flying to Heathrow again I can bring them with me and post them in Londontown to save cost. American builders also, as I am in Los Angeles/San Francisco frequently. Those builders interested in buying an elbow please email me. If there are enough I will get a price for you before committing. I have had no problem with this fuel flow connection. Merry Christmas. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand ward.t@xtra.co.nz Mob +64 210640221 > On 18/12/2017, at 3:34 AM, Richard Wheelwright wrote: > > --> > > Just completed the check on G-IRPW. And all is well. Just for info I did fit Tim Wards elbow a few years ago. > > -------- > Richard Wheelwright > G-IRPW > First Flight 24th July 2013 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476460#476460 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/58e4a1ae_d8b9_43d9_a5c9_b35c398813c > 7_133.jpeg > > > > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:54 PM PST US From: Alan Twigg Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aluminium Elbow Tim I do not need one just yet but put me down for one, I am sure I will nee d it in due course. Alan Twigg Motorglider kit 463 Oxfordshire UK Sent from my iPad > On 17 Dec 2017, at 22:06, Pete wrote: > > I'm in, although being in canada, I guess mailing it USPS would be the bes t way. > > Please let me know the cost, and ill forward you my addess etc. > > Cheers and thx, > Pete :) > A239 > >> On Dec 17, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Tim Ward wrote: >> >> EUROPA ALUMINIUM FUEL FILLER PIPE >> >> *Aluminium pipe is used to join the roto-polyurethane =9Ccobra =9D fuel inlet tube to the fuel tank inlet. >> >> *The Aluminium pipe is bent to 55 degrees >> >> *The pipe is supplied with added length so it can be cut to the desired l ength. >> >> *Clean inside of pipe with a mild solvent or Motor gas. >> >> *Cut fuel resistant rubber hose to join at both ends with Hose clamps. >> >> Supplied by Tim Ward. >> 12 Waiwetu Street >> Fendalton >> Christchurch >> New Zealand >> >> Phone 0064 3 3515166 >> ward.t@xtra.co.nz >> >> >> 2 Hose Clamps >> >> >> Rubber Hose >> >> 2 Hose Clamps >> >> >> >> Fuel Tank inlet >> >> >> Aluminium Pipe >> >> >> Fuel Tank >> >> P lastic Fuel Filler >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.