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1. 10:45 AM - Seeking for somebody (Ruedi Vogel)
2. 11:46 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 (Roger Grainger)
3. 11:46 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 (Roger Grainger)
4. 12:25 PM - "Best" tires for Tri question (William Daniell)
5. 12:51 PM - Re: "Best" tires for Tri question (Kevin Challis)
6. 01:21 PM - G-WUFF Fuel filler Mod 13070 (William Bliss)
7. 01:23 PM - Fuel Filler Hose....... (Bob Harrison)
8. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 (Tim Ward)
9. 10:54 PM - Re: Fuel Filler Hose....... (Roland)
10. 10:59 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 (Roland)
11. 11:06 PM - Re: "Best" tires for Tri question (Roland)
12. 11:11 PM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Richard Lamprey)
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| Subject: | Seeking for somebody |
Hi All
Does anyone have information for
contacting Erich Gabbe (D-EYGA) form Germany?
Or are you on the list yourself?
Best regards
--
Ruedi, HB-YJF
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 |
Hi Tim Ward,
I am very interested in one of your aluminium Europa fuel filler pipes, I recently
had to cut mine off to remove it only to find it was actually ok and now require
a replacement.
Can you please let me know availability and how best to proceed with ordering.
Many Thanks,
Roger Grainger
G-CICA
> On 20 Dec 2017, at 07:49, Europa-List Digest Server <europa-list@matronics.com>
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> 1. 01:15 AM - Re: Re: Aluminium Elbow (GTH)
> 2. 03:09 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
(clivesutton)
> 3. 06:15 AM - LAA Standard Mod for 13070 (replacement of classic fuel hose
with aluminium) is now approved (Pete Lawless)
> 4. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
(Pete Lawless)
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> Time: 01:15:17 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Aluminium Elbow
> From: GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr>
>
>
> Le 18/12/2017 23:45, Kelvin Weston a crit :
>> No, it's not peel ply. I think it is a tracer thread woven into the glass fabric
> to ensure the glass is laid up in the correct orientation during the moulding
> lay-up.
> Kevin,
>
> Thank you for your answer. I must confess I have experience only with
> carbon fiber so no lines in the layup.
> All the best with your project.
> --
> Best regards,
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
> http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:09:33 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
> From: "clivesutton" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
>
>
> As you say Bob, lots of activity behind the scenes.
>
> MOD79 may also bring something to the party for some Europa-owners (LAA aware).
> The black silicone hoses in that MOD kit have a green fluoro fuel-resistant
> lining.
>
> http://www.europa-aircraft.com/upload/Modification%20Bulletin%20No%2079%20(Issue%2003).pdf
>
> Liking the new look/feel and regular updates of the website btw . . .
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476599#476599
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:15:50 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: LAA Standard Mod for 13070 (replacement of classic fuel
hose
> with aluminium) is now approved
> From: Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info>
>
> Hi All
>
> I have just received this from Andy Draper.
>
> "The SM has now been signed off by Francis and its now in the system to
> be posted on the LAA web site."
>
> Anyone with a Classic filler hose who wants to replace it with aluminium
> can do so using this mod. John Archer <77alembert@gmail.com> is
> collecting names of those wanting a replacement pipe.
>
> Regards
>
> Pete
>
> G-RMAC Classic #109
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:35:00 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
Europas
> From: Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info>
>
>
> Can't seem to find this mod listed in the LAA list of Europa standard mods.
>
> Pete
>
>
>> On 19/12/17 11:09, clivesutton wrote:
>>
>> As you say Bob, lots of activity behind the scenes.
>>
>> MOD79 may also bring something to the party for some Europa-owners (LAA aware).
> The black silicone hoses in that MOD kit have a green fluoro fuel-resistant
> lining.
>>
>> http://www.europa-aircraft.com/upload/Modification%20Bulletin%20No%2079%20(Issue%2003).pdf
>>
>> Liking the new look/feel and regular updates of the website btw . . .
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476599#476599
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 |
Hi Tim Ward,
I am very interested in one of your aluminium Europa fuel filler pipes, I recently
had to cut mine off to remove it only to find it was actually ok and now require
a replacement.
Can you please let me know availability and how best to proceed with ordering.
Many Thanks,
Roger Grainger
G-CICA
> On 20 Dec 2017, at 07:49, Europa-List Digest Server <europa-list@matronics.com>
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>
> 1. 01:15 AM - Re: Re: Aluminium Elbow (GTH)
> 2. 03:09 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
(clivesutton)
> 3. 06:15 AM - LAA Standard Mod for 13070 (replacement of classic fuel hose
with aluminium) is now approved (Pete Lawless)
> 4. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
(Pete Lawless)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:15:17 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Aluminium Elbow
> From: GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr>
>
>
> Le 18/12/2017 23:45, Kelvin Weston a crit :
>> No, it's not peel ply. I think it is a tracer thread woven into the glass fabric
> to ensure the glass is laid up in the correct orientation during the moulding
> lay-up.
> Kevin,
>
> Thank you for your answer. I must confess I have experience only with
> carbon fiber so no lines in the layup.
> All the best with your project.
> --
> Best regards,
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
> http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:09:33 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
> From: "clivesutton" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
>
>
> As you say Bob, lots of activity behind the scenes.
>
> MOD79 may also bring something to the party for some Europa-owners (LAA aware).
> The black silicone hoses in that MOD kit have a green fluoro fuel-resistant
> lining.
>
> http://www.europa-aircraft.com/upload/Modification%20Bulletin%20No%2079%20(Issue%2003).pdf
>
> Liking the new look/feel and regular updates of the website btw . . .
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476599#476599
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:15:50 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: LAA Standard Mod for 13070 (replacement of classic fuel
hose
> with aluminium) is now approved
> From: Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info>
>
> Hi All
>
> I have just received this from Andy Draper.
>
> "The SM has now been signed off by Francis and its now in the system to
> be posted on the LAA web site."
>
> Anyone with a Classic filler hose who wants to replace it with aluminium
> can do so using this mod. John Archer <77alembert@gmail.com> is
> collecting names of those wanting a replacement pipe.
>
> Regards
>
> Pete
>
> G-RMAC Classic #109
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:35:00 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
Europas
> From: Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info>
>
>
> Can't seem to find this mod listed in the LAA list of Europa standard mods.
>
> Pete
>
>
>> On 19/12/17 11:09, clivesutton wrote:
>>
>> As you say Bob, lots of activity behind the scenes.
>>
>> MOD79 may also bring something to the party for some Europa-owners (LAA aware).
> The black silicone hoses in that MOD kit have a green fluoro fuel-resistant
> lining.
>>
>> http://www.europa-aircraft.com/upload/Modification%20Bulletin%20No%2079%20(Issue%2003).pdf
>>
>> Liking the new look/feel and regular updates of the website btw . . .
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476599#476599
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | "Best" tires for Tri question |
HJ460 tracks straight and I can find no fault with her ground manners. She
is an XS tri.
I have significant wear on the outside of the tires after 35 flight hours
however I am hoping that this is due to the significant amount of taxi-ing
prior to flight testing and possibly that the bearings are stiff (require
wearing in). I plan to turn them round and grease them this weekend.
Now to my question. I notice that the 5.00x5 tires in my local aviation
shop have a square profile whereas the tires supplied with the Europa have
a rounded profile. Can I use the square profile or will it cause weird
ground behavior?
What are the "best" tires for the Europe in terms of wear and profile?
(leaving side cost as a consideration)
Many thanks
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
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| Subject: | Re: "Best" tires for Tri question |
I have used square and round both wear on the outside. I turn them around an
d can live with it as I operate from grass so it=99s only when I visit
another hard runway that they wear.
Kevin Challis
G ODJG
> On 20 Dec 2017, at 20:25, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wr
ote:
>
> HJ460 tracks straight and I can find no fault with her ground manners. Sh
e is an XS tri.
>
> I have significant wear on the outside of the tires after 35 flight hours h
owever I am hoping that this is due to the significant amount of taxi-ing pr
ior to flight testing and possibly that the bearings are stiff (require wear
ing in). I plan to turn them round and grease them this weekend.
>
> Now to my question. I notice that the 5.00x5 tires in my local aviation s
hop have a square profile whereas the tires supplied with the Europa have a r
ounded profile. Can I use the square profile or will it cause weird ground b
ehavior?
>
> What are the "best" tires for the Europe in terms of wear and profile? (l
eaving side cost as a consideration)
>
> Many thanks
>
> Will
>
>
>
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +57 310 295 0744
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| Subject: | G-WUFF Fuel filler Mod 13070 |
Hi All
I did the 13070 mod on G-WUFF about three years ago using an aluminium
pipe bent in 2 places. At the same time I moved the filler opening aft
so that the filler remained behind the baggage bay rear bulkhead as I
installed the baggage bay enlargement mod. The pipe was supplied by the
late Neville Eyre. I don't know who made it for him. At both ends I used
short flexible pipe unions to filler and fuel tank respectively. These
are sections of Gates wire reinforced hose supplied by Car Builder
Solutions. Fuel tank sealant from LAS and clamps were also used. In my
opinion an important feature is an additional aluminium clamp around the
pipe were it passes through the baggage bay rear bulkhead. This prevents
the pipe migrating aft and losing its seal with the fuel tank inlet
spigott. I had no problems with fuel smells in the cockpit once this was
installed. The fuel tank is kept fairly full so I expect the lower
unions to have been exposed to mogas/air mix quite a bit. The fuel
filters have not shown evidence if any material deterioration. Fuel
actually has to run uphill as it runs forwards in the pipe (WUFF is a
mono). This does not seem to cause any problem with filling.
I have just disassembled it with some difficulty. The inside of the
aluminium pipe and Gates hose look just the same as they did when I
fitted it.
Neville knew that the rubber filler pipes were lifed items and did post
messages on this site offering to source replacements.
William Bliss
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| Subject: | Fuel Filler Hose....... |
Hi! All.
I have today removed the 2 inch diameter formed rubber formed elbow from
G-PTAG for inspection. I was pleasantly surprised to find it immaculate
inside and out , and shows no sign of deterioration whatever.
For interest it has an identification number sequence permanently printed on
it:- 2"PVC 21:18 10/03/05.
This may have been an indicator that it was fitted close to that date when
the Long range tank and composite cobra filler assembly were fitted.
Perhaps with my extensively using the long range tank the rubber may NOT
have spent long periods immersed in Unleaded fuel.
I guess I now have a tough decision .........if it ain't broke don't fix it
?
Regards to all.
Bob Harrison G-PTAG.
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 |
Hi Roger,
The manufacturer is going to do another run after Christmas once we have sufficient
numbers and the Mod from LAA is approved.
Will put your name on the list.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
> On 21/12/2017, at 8:45 AM, Roger Grainger <roger47grainger@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Tim Ward,
>
> I am very interested in one of your aluminium Europa fuel filler pipes, I recently
had to cut mine off to remove it only to find it was actually ok and now
require a replacement.
> Can you please let me know availability and how best to proceed with ordering.
>
> Many Thanks,
> Roger Grainger
> G-CICA
>
>
>> On 20 Dec 2017, at 07:49, Europa-List Digest Server <europa-list@matronics.com>
wrote:
>>
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>> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
>> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
>> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
>> of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
>> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>
>> HTML Version:
>>
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>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Today's Message Index:
>> ----------------------
>>
>> 1. 01:15 AM - Re: Re: Aluminium Elbow (GTH)
>> 2. 03:09 AM - Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
(clivesutton)
>> 3. 06:15 AM - LAA Standard Mod for 13070 (replacement of classic fuel hose
with aluminium) is now approved (Pete Lawless)
>> 4. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
(Pete Lawless)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 01:15:17 AM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Aluminium Elbow
>> From: GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr>
>>
>>
>> Le 18/12/2017 23:45, Kelvin Weston a crit :
>>> No, it's not peel ply. I think it is a tracer thread woven into the glass fabric
>> to ensure the glass is laid up in the correct orientation during the moulding
>> lay-up.
>> Kevin,
>>
>> Thank you for your answer. I must confess I have experience only with
>> carbon fiber so no lines in the layup.
>> All the best with your project.
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Gilles
>> http://contrails.free.fr
>> http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:09:33 AM PST US
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
>> From: "clivesutton" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
>>
>>
>> As you say Bob, lots of activity behind the scenes.
>>
>> MOD79 may also bring something to the party for some Europa-owners (LAA aware).
>> The black silicone hoses in that MOD kit have a green fluoro fuel-resistant
>> lining.
>>
>> http://www.europa-aircraft.com/upload/Modification%20Bulletin%20No%2079%20(Issue%2003).pdf
>>
>> Liking the new look/feel and regular updates of the website btw . . .
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476599#476599
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 06:15:50 AM PST US
>> Subject: Europa-List: LAA Standard Mod for 13070 (replacement of classic fuel
hose
>> with aluminium) is now approved
>> From: Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info>
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I have just received this from Andy Draper.
>>
>> "The SM has now been signed off by Francis and its now in the system to
>> be posted on the LAA web site."
>>
>> Anyone with a Classic filler hose who wants to replace it with aluminium
>> can do so using this mod. John Archer <77alembert@gmail.com> is
>> collecting names of those wanting a replacement pipe.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> G-RMAC Classic #109
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 06:35:00 AM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All
Europas
>> From: Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info>
>>
>>
>> Can't seem to find this mod listed in the LAA list of Europa standard mods.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>> On 19/12/17 11:09, clivesutton wrote:
>>>
>>> As you say Bob, lots of activity behind the scenes.
>>>
>>> MOD79 may also bring something to the party for some Europa-owners (LAA aware).
>> The black silicone hoses in that MOD kit have a green fluoro fuel-resistant
>> lining.
>>>
>>> http://www.europa-aircraft.com/upload/Modification%20Bulletin%20No%2079%20(Issue%2003).pdf
>>>
>>> Liking the new look/feel and regular updates of the website btw . . .
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476599#476599
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filler Hose....... |
Hi Bob!
I'm interested in your long range tank since you have a Trigear like me and the
factory long range tank only fits for the Mono.
Can you post a picture please?
Thanks!
Regards
Roland
XS TG 914
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/19/17 |
Hi Tim,
please put me on the list as well.
Can you please also tell me, what outside diameter the aluminum pipe has, so that
I can order the correct silicone hose to fit the Ends to the filler and fuel
tank? Is it also 51 mm?
Thanks!
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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| Subject: | Re: "Best" tires for Tri question |
Hi William,
I have those http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/condor.php and am satisfied.
They don't cost too much and they last quite long although the tyres on my Europa
also wear on the outside (I operate it almost exclusively on hard surface).
After some time I also just turn them around like Kevin.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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| Subject: | Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas |
Stupid question, but I will ask anyway... All the examples, photos, LAA report
etc point to the side-filler Europa pipe, with 45 degree bend, which was an alternative
to the top-of-fuselage original filler. I have the latter, the long
pipe coming down through a hole in the rear bulkhead. Was this a different
pipe batch? Inspection shows no problem with mine, I fill to the top before every
flight, ie right up the pipe, then fly, then leave tank with about 3/4 full
ie the pipe is not immersed for long. I fly once a month, Nice constant temps
in Kenya 15-28 C for storage, all seems to be OK.
Best
Richard
Classic 5Y-LRY, Kenya
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