---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/23/17: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:53 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Brian Davies) 2. 01:21 AM - Re: Kit 272 (Peter & Anthea Austin) 3. 08:28 AM - Re: Bug Eye Canopy anyone? (Bud Yerly) 4. 11:16 AM - Re: Trigear brakes (Bud Yerly) 5. 12:53 PM - Fw: Top mod 65A (Graeme Hart) 6. 01:03 PM - Possible pitot static pressure problem (William Bliss) 7. 01:11 PM - Re: Possible pitot static pressure problem (Alan Burrill) 8. 01:19 PM - LED conspicuity light (William Bliss) 9. 03:23 PM - Transponder Ground Plane (Martin Tuck) 10. 09:12 PM - Re: Transponder Ground Plane (Erich Trombley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:21 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Thanks Anthony, Be very careful when ordering silicone hoses. As explained in an earlier thread, Samco sell two products that sound very similar. The standard Fluorosilicone lined hose is only resistant to fuel. The Profuel Fluoroelastomer lined hose is fuel proof. The LAA will only approve the fuel proof hose coupling. Look for the words Profuel. Regards Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of anthony van eldik Sent: 22 December 2017 18:17 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas --> Thank you Brian, I have already told Tim to put me on the list.Demon Tweeks also suplies the Samco Profuel joints. regards Anthony(G-FLOR) Sent from my iPad > On 22 Dec 2017, at 16:13, Brian Davies wrote: > > --> > > As I explained in an earlier e-mail, there is no LAA Standard Mod to fit an aluminium elbow on an XS Europa. As nobody has applied for a standard Mod I have agreed with Andy Draper that I will do so. It will be based on Tim Ward's aluminium elbow and will use Samco Profuel joints. These can be purchased from www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk in a short length of 76mm for UK Pounds 11.24 plus VAT and postage. Currently there is a 39 day lead time on this item. Part number PSCH51-BLU > > I will give you a progress report after Christmas. > > Regards > > Brian Davies > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete > Lawless > Sent: 21 December 2017 18:14 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December > 2017 All Europas > > > Hi Richard > > You have a Classic the pictures were for the XS with a side filler. The AD applies to both. > > I have just inspected mine and whilst the inside looked perfect the fuel tank end was noticeably soft compared to the top section. I intend to replace it with aluminium as per Standard Mod 13070. If you are interested John Archer, who is getting the pipes made, is taking orders now. > > Regards > > Pete > > G-RMAC Classic #109 > > >> On 21/12/17 07:11, Richard Lamprey wrote: >> --> >> >> Stupid question, but I will ask anyway... All the examples, photos, LAA report etc point to the side-filler Europa pipe, with 45 degree bend, which was an alternative to the top-of-fuselage original filler. I have the latter, the long pipe coming down through a hole in the rear bulkhead. Was this a different pipe batch? Inspection shows no problem with mine, I fill to the top before every flight, ie right up the pipe, then fly, then leave tank with about 3/4 full ie the pipe is not immersed for long. I fly once a month, Nice constant temps in Kenya 15-28 C for storage, all seems to be OK. >> Best >> Richard >> Classic 5Y-LRY, Kenya >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476654#476654 > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:25 AM PST US From: Peter & Anthea Austin Subject: Europa-List: Re: Kit 272 Hello All Very sad and sorry to see this Aircraft of Tony K is still not flying after all this time, we communicated a lot during our respective builds, he had big dreams. Peter Austin Build #198 (2008) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:27 AM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: RE: Europa-List: Bug Eye Canopy anyone? Regarding the Bug Eye glass for the doors. LP Aero makes these. You can get them in any tint (but not original classi c yellow but they have a close copper one). Clear, light gray, medium gray, copper, and of course the new UV blocking a re available... The UV blocking is so good, you can hardly feel the sun hi tting you under the glass. Much cooler and comfortable here in Florida. Karen can get them dropped shipped direct to you in the UK. Height is 1.5 inches increase on the average. I installed one of the first on 419PL. No problem really. In fact the bul ge makes the strap installing technique require slightly taller blocks and that means easier clean up around the straps. Glass is exactly the shape on the edges for install in the door. The bulge starts approximately 1 inch outside the door glue area. Slight distortion in the bulge section, but not noticeable in flight. A vent door is not recommended as it must be placed quite a bit higher, and puts the hinge line too close to my face. Personal thing. I=92m not pret ty, but I like to prevent ripping my face open in a sudden stop. Your head sticks up higher of course, but does not seem to bother forward v isibility around the canopy bow. Although these are slightly more expensive, I found this to be a cost effec tive height increase over the high top mod and the only thing to do with a completed airplane in need of a taller height when installing a new door or glass change out. Regards, Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations. Sent from Mail for Window s 10 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Fred Klein Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 12:55:29 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bug Eye Canopy anyone? > On Dec 21, 2017, at 7:07 AM, rainbow462 wrot e: > > Hi > > I'm just waiting on news from Europa as to prices/availability of the "bu g eye" canopy mod as I could really do with a little bit more headroom, to help straighten my back out. > > So, just wondered if anyone has done this mod, how much extra headroom it actually provides and if there were any disadvantages worthy of note? Jeremy=85I see in the supplier=92s online catalogue that the =93domed=94 do or windows are still being offered. While these windows give a distinctive look to our birds which some may bel ittle, installing them would be something I would do if I were rebuilding =85I=92ve not, however, ever sat in a Europa with them fitted=85nothing is free, of course, but I=92m unaware of any measured (cruise speed) penalty. Good luck, F. F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2FNavigator%3FEuropa-List&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdfe1e70 2141b4617731208d5489cd31b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6364 94760743700207&sdata=5mpktkj2lJWyGt%2FOQpo%2BZnQyga6ykXC20dWQYB2iNzc%3D&r eserved=0 F%2Fforums.matronics.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdfe1e702141b4617731208d5489cd3 1b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636494760743700207&sdata= PxU0oI6yMJpJNXoE7ol890jDZt89yoaNNb4e6X2cBH4%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fwiki.matronics.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdfe1e702141b4617731208d5489cd31b %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636494760743700207&sdata=Yd nC9PXR0y7U1%2FlWDOQRvIo3syC%2By7noRvZBOIdIU60%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2Fcontribution&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdfe1e702141b461773 1208d5489cd31b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636494760743700 207&sdata=clPTelsjxUeY83PT2HF1Tr36Bqiitm5x3h%2Bh2aQ%2FKFE%3D&reserved=0 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:00 AM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear brakes Kyle, I just put a heavily revised brake installation guide for the trigear on my website, I will clean it up after three other projects. Aileron trim firs t, rudder trim next and then more stuff on the customflightcreations.com we bsite and to the Europa Club as well. For those in the UK we can organize some of the brake install ideas from the past into acceptable approved mods I=92m sure with little work. This pdf attached should answer many of your questions. Refer to your LAA limitations on what can be done if in the UK or if in other parts of the wo rld, where there is more autonomy, you can see how successful brake install ations were made and be assured of success. Making the installation is one thing, making is serviceable and structurally sound is imperative. The Europa cutout mod is fairly easy to fabricate on your own, but be sure to properly secure the area cut out for returning the structural strength o f the module. I have repaired a number of minor Europa mishap damaged airc raft. The center tunnel is a very strong truss work which, properly instal led, will maintain cockpit integrity in a frontal crash. It is a shame thi s Europa Matco brake mod is so expensive. Others have simply used the foot brake brackets turned upside down and fastened them to the tunnel top near the throttle. It works fine but again, the cockpit module was not designe d for brake mounting in that area. Look at how the single cylinder brake w as mounted in the mono. That install is installed in shear. If you mount t he Kart Kraft brakes in the same manner as some of us have on the top of th e tunnel, a bending moment pulling on the handles is a peel pull which glas s does not handle as well. It is imperative the top of the tunnel be reinf orced properly with aluminum plate and additional glass. It is hard to bel ieve you can pull over 400 pounds on a little 9 inch handle. That is over 300 foot pounds of bending on that glass area you just put holes and slots into. Since 1999 I have assisted folks in installing brake systems and much was l earned. The pdf attached is a summary of that learning curve. Best Regards, Bud Yerly Sent from Mail for Window s 10 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of phillik747 Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 7:18:14 PM Subject: Europa-List: Trigear brakes I'm hope everyone is doing well. I have taken too long of a vacation from building and going to get back into it. Last I left off I was getting the finger brakes ready. Since my kit is a mono wheel conversion I don't have F28 & F29 for the 'sh elf' that the master cylinders rest on. Does anyone have these for sale? I like the idea of working on the brakes from above vs creating an access panel from below. I'm sure I can order them from Europa but at a premium (US costs). Thank you, Kyle -------- Kyle Europa Tri-gear (under construction) Read this topic online here: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.m atronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D476694%23476694&data=02%7C01%7C%7C107b 928cad6543ceb8f208d5499b5867%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6 36495853914038159&sdata=5yn%2FeD5aRHv8I28kzm4uUkijIWE5y1x3KnD5egfgMZE%3D& reserved=0 F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2FNavigator%3FEuropa-List&data=02%7C01%7C%7C107b928 cad6543ceb8f208d5499b5867%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6364 95853914038159&sdata=z596XKnuMlatULOCi5VYaRk8eRd0iDNi2ejPW6mnUGQ%3D&reser ved=0 F%2Fforums.matronics.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C107b928cad6543ceb8f208d5499b58 67%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636495853914038159&sdata= fsiocUvNyZocDui%2FgJz33xKQLN6sIvZfpBYT7ZLhrz0%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fwiki.matronics.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C107b928cad6543ceb8f208d5499b5867 %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636495853914038159&sdata=Rr NXk7p5V2Yz0LwbOU8bkHG%2FCcCFAbeUq31TP2u2hJI%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2Fcontribution&data=02%7C01%7C%7C107b928cad6543ceb8 f208d5499b5867%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636495853914038 159&sdata=oF1sNUMkzEHC0hqaze5B6skNq9DyT7NxMRlVX%2BNFDr4%3D&reserved=0 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:06 PM PST US From: Graeme Hart Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Top mod 65A The reply below was meant to go to the list. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Graeme Hart Subject: Re: Top mod 65A Thank you so much Rick for sending through this set of pictures and the other three sets. The job looks a lot less daunting than I thought. I was not planning on doing Mod 67 but once I'm ready to join the two fuselage parts I will review that decision. The advice on the screen is very helpful, I'm in NZ so getting one from Europa is an expensive option. Fortunately I can have one made locally so I will have them make it to a template. Unfortunately they are not quite local enough that I can just take them the plane! I see from your pictures you had a piece of plywood at the tail end to support the fuselage. How else did you support it on the bench? I was planning to build an elaborate structure similar to the fuselage cradle but I see from your pictures that this is not necessary. Regards Graeme On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 2:54 AM, Rick Stockton wrote: > I did the high top MOD 64A, and am glad I did. I also did MOD 67 > > I have a number of pictures and will attach some to this e-mail. > > > Rick Stockton > Europa N120EJ > Jabiru 3300 185 hours > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:51 PM PST US From: William Bliss Subject: Europa-List: Possible pitot static pressure problem Hi All Maybe someone can help with these two problems - are they connected?: 1. My VSI has started reading 100ft descent/min - even when I am parked on the ground. When it reads zero in flight I am actually climbing. 2. My Transponder (old Narco unit) has started indicating about 2000ft higher than I actually am. I think both occured at about the same time. I am about to fit a new Trig transponder and so will check the visible pipes for condition etc. Does this combination ring any bells? Happy Christmas and New Year William Bliss G-WUFF ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:10 PM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Possible pitot static pressure problem If you disconnect the Static line from both and leave to open air, on the ground of course, then at least eliminates a common blockage. Water in the lines? Or could simple be a need to adjust the zero on the VSI and a faulty encoder on the transponder. Alan Sent from my iPhone > On 24 Dec 2017, at 04:05, William Bliss wrote: > > > Hi All > > Maybe someone can help with these two problems - are they connected?: > > 1. My VSI has started reading 100ft descent/min - even when I am parked on the ground. When it reads zero in flight I am actually climbing. > > 2. My Transponder (old Narco unit) has started indicating about 2000ft higher than I actually am. > > I think both occured at about the same time. > > I am about to fit a new Trig transponder and so will check the visible pipes for condition etc. Does this combination ring any bells? > > Happy Christmas and New Year > > William Bliss G-WUFF > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:06 PM PST US From: William Bliss Subject: Europa-List: LED conspicuity light Hi All I am considering fitting a LED rectangular array in the "Chin" of the lower cowling below the air intake. The LAA has Prototype Mods 13072 (G-TAGR) and 14394 (G-URMS). Does anyone know how these Mods perform? Are there any other Mods I have missed? One issue seems to be the heat generated and the need for a heat sink. William G-WUFF ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:31 PM PST US From: Martin Tuck Subject: Europa-List: Transponder Ground Plane Merry Christmas everyone. I have a Garmin 327 transponder and a short antenna with a small ball on the end. When I installed it, Bob Nuckolls advised that the ground plane should to be an aluminum disc the radius of which is the same as the length of the antenna. So my disc is probably 5-6 in diameter. It seems to work OK, around this area at least which is about 10 nm from ATC. Looking at upgrading to the Dynon Transponder in order to meet the 2020 NextGen requirement here in the States. Reading the install instructions it says: <> So my disc is slightly larger than the 120 mm square referenced but according to Dynon the bigger you make it the better the performance. As I have plenty of room, is there any merit in increasing the size of the ground plane? What have others done - particularly for a Dynon set up? Regards, Martin Tuck Europa N152MT ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:47 PM PST US From: Erich Trombley Subject: Europa-List: RE: Transponder Ground Plane Hello Martin, >From your description it sounds like I have the same ball transponder antenna and ground plane setup. I too converted from the Garmin 327 to Dynons transponder. I did not modify the antenna and performance has not been an issue. I operate out of class B airspace. Merry Christmas, Erich N28ET Classic 914 ____________________________________________________________ Duchess Says Goodbye To Royal Family risingstarnewspaper.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5a3f36fcd2b4336fc1be0st03vuc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.