---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/07/18: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:52 AM - Re: In flight facilities!!!! (Remi Guerner) 2. 02:40 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Peter Jeffers) 3. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Tim Ward) 4. 08:10 PM - Re: Are Vne and Va IAS or TAS? (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:08 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: In flight facilities!!!! From: "Remi Guerner" Thanks Bob for all those details! Personally, I use a one liter oil can as a pee bottle for long flights. I recommand Shell VSX4 (see attached picture) as the offset neck and bigger useful diameter makes it quite convenient. An autopilot is a must too. Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477143#477143 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/shell_pee_bottle_214.pdf ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:19 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Hi Tim, As and when you get a batch of these metal elbows for Europa XS made up, could you please include one for J Baranski (G-CCJX). John is a Europa Club member in the UK, but has not as yet registered for the Matronics Forum so I am sending this request on his behalf. Pete Jeffers (Europa Club LAA Inspector) PS he is currently AOG as he damaged his original whilst trying to inspect it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward Sent: 02 January 2018 20:11 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Thanks Brian. Most appreciated. Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand ward.t@xtra.co.nz Mob +64 210640221 > On 3/01/2018, at 6:46 AM, Brian Davies wrote: > > --> > > Update- a formal LAA Mod application for the XS aluminium elbow has now been submitted and is "in the system". > > I will let you know when it has been approved. > > Regards > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian > Davies > Sent: 29 December 2017 17:33 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December > 2017 All Europas > > --> > > Hi Jon, > > The standard lengths are 76mm so I have ordered two . You need about 30mm overlap on to each joint surface and there are effectively 4 joint surfaces. > > Regards > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JonSmith > Sent: 29 December 2017 11:48 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 > All Europas > > --> > > Hi Brian, I am going to order the Profuel joint from Merlin as you described, in anticipation of the standard mod. I bought one of Tims aluminium elbows some years ago but never got around to fitting it and its still in my garage! > Sorry for a silly question but do you think I need two of them (one for each end) or will one of them cut into two be sufficient? > Cheers! > > > brian.davies44(at)gmail.c wrote: >> As I explained in an earlier e-mail, there is no LAA Standard Mod to fit an aluminium elbow on an XS Europa. As nobody has applied for a standard Mod I have agreed with Andy Draper that I will do so. It will be based on Tim Ward's aluminium elbow and will use Samco Profuel joints. These can be purchased from www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk in a short length of 76mm for UK Pounds 11.24 plus VAT and postage. Currently there is a 39 day lead time on this item. Part number PSCH51-BLU >> >> I will give you a progress report after Christmas. >> >> Regards >> >> Brian Davies >> >> -- > > > -------- > G-TERN > Classic Mono > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476852#476852 > > > > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas From: Tim Ward Hi Pete, Sure thing, done. Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand ward.t@xtra.co.nz Mob +64 210640221 > On 7/01/2018, at 2:39 AM, Peter Jeffers wrote: > > > Hi Tim, > As and when you get a batch of these metal elbows for Europa XS made up, could you please include one for J Baranski (G-CCJX). John is a Europa Club member in the UK, but has not as yet registered for the Matronics Forum so I am sending this request on his behalf. > Pete Jeffers (Europa Club LAA Inspector) > PS he is currently AOG as he damaged his original whilst trying to inspect it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward > Sent: 02 January 2018 20:11 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas > > > Thanks Brian. > Most appreciated. > Tim > > Tim Ward > 12 Waiwetu Street, > Fendalton, > Christchurch, 8052 > New Zealand > > ward.t@xtra.co.nz > > Mob +64 210640221 > > >> On 3/01/2018, at 6:46 AM, Brian Davies wrote: >> >> --> >> >> Update- a formal LAA Mod application for the XS aluminium elbow has now been submitted and is "in the system". >> >> I will let you know when it has been approved. >> >> Regards >> >> Brian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian >> Davies >> Sent: 29 December 2017 17:33 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December >> 2017 All Europas >> >> --> >> >> Hi Jon, >> >> The standard lengths are 76mm so I have ordered two . You need about 30mm overlap on to each joint surface and there are effectively 4 joint surfaces. >> >> Regards >> >> Brian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JonSmith >> Sent: 29 December 2017 11:48 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 >> All Europas >> >> --> >> >> Hi Brian, I am going to order the Profuel joint from Merlin as you described, in anticipation of the standard mod. I bought one of Tims aluminium elbows some years ago but never got around to fitting it and its still in my garage! >> Sorry for a silly question but do you think I need two of them (one for each end) or will one of them cut into two be sufficient? >> Cheers! >> >> >> brian.davies44(at)gmail.c wrote: >>> As I explained in an earlier e-mail, there is no LAA Standard Mod to fit an aluminium elbow on an XS Europa. As nobody has applied for a standard Mod I have agreed with Andy Draper that I will do so. It will be based on Tim Ward's aluminium elbow and will use Samco Profuel joints. These can be purchased from www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk in a short length of 76mm for UK Pounds 11.24 plus VAT and postage. Currently there is a 39 day lead time on this item. Part number PSCH51-BLU >>> >>> I will give you a progress report after Christmas. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Brian Davies >>> >>> -- >> >> >> -------- >> G-TERN >> Classic Mono >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476852#476852 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:20 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: RE: Europa-List: Are Vne and Va IAS or TAS? Will, I'm still on the road but here goes. Short answer: Q is force, whereas True is just speed. Long Answer: Think of it this way. The mono cruises at 175 TAS at 18,000 with a 914. T he indicated is only 125 ish. You cannot pull enough G to achieve 6 Gs bef ore you stall or have a vertical gust break the plane. Is the mono above VN E, at 175 TAS, NO. Heck you are not at Vno or about 131 KIAS which is your green arc for gust factor(turbulent speed). That gust factor is what you need to be aware of in the turbulence of the m ountains. "Aircraft Performance" by Domash explains it. So does the FAA. For finding high speed affects, the USAF F104 VN diagram is on Wikipedia and shows how Mach affects figure in for high TAS. TAS is important in turn rate, radius, navigation, and determining your Mac h and Q velocity. But it is your Q (dynamic pressure), aka IAS, that affect s, flutter, structural deformation, and your stall and not to exceed speed s. This means what you read on your airspeed indicator is what you need to know for the plane. TAS and Ground Speed affect your pilotage which is a different topic. Again, in mountain flying, you need to know your turn diameter when valley flying, high altitude patterns (wider pattern necessary), lead turns to a r adials etc. (especially In high speed aircraft) and in light aircraft in ve ry high elevations. Engine performance vs airspeed bleed off becomes a fac tor as well. Regards, Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations From: William Daniell Sent: Friday, January 5, 4:07 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Are Vne and Va IAS or TAS? Bud Does this apply even at the upper altitude range ....say 13k or 15k? Will On Jan 4, 2018 22:19, "Bud Yerly" @msn.co m> wrote: Yep Graham, Airplanes only feel air pressure, not the velocity of the molecule alone. Dynamic pressure is =BD Density times Velocity Squared or IAS (actually y ou have calibrated then equivalent) is what the airplane feels. Those RV g uys got all hung up on this and confused everyone. Bottom line, what you read on the airspeed indicator counts. TAS is import ant (actually Mach number) as the skin heats up due to friction which is a different ball of wax. I was always a slow speed aero guy to match my mind .. Regards, Bud Yerly Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > on behalf of Pete @zutrasoft.com> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 5:49:37 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Are Vne and Va IAS or TAS? Hi Ivan, just to confirm, Vd IAS @8000ft DA? Thanks again! Pete On Jan 4, 2018, at 5:21 PM, @btint ernet.com> @btinternet.com> wrote: All our company aircraft were tested to Vd, 10% over Vne. And not just take n to the speed but then tested [short stick and rudder raps] to see if any flutter mode could be excited at Vd. I have performed these tests at/up to 8000ft . We have never experienced any flutter mode. I also tested the tail plane underbalanced and over balanced with the same results. To my knowled ge we have not had any reported flutter incidence on the entire fleet. As y ou mentioned Pete did exceed Vd on a few occasions. 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