---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/14/18: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:46 AM - Re: Re: Water pipe replacement (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net) 2. 02:20 AM - Re: Water pipe replacement (graeme bird) 3. 02:25 AM - Re: Re: Water pipe replacement (Alan Burrill) 4. 06:50 AM - Re: Water pipe replacement (Nigel Graham) 5. 07:52 AM - Re: Water pipe replacement (Erich Trombley) 6. 08:33 AM - Re: Water pipe replacement (graeme bird) 7. 01:24 PM - Dynon rebooted twice in flight (William Daniell) 8. 01:51 PM - Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (david park) 9. 02:23 PM - Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (Martin Tuck) 10. 11:18 PM - Air inlets manifold o rings (graeme bird) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:02 AM PST US From: "ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Water pipe replacement Or packing the new slimmer tube with a bit of split hose under the old clip, to bring it back to the outer diameter that the clip will work with. You could argue that this reduces the clamping pressure, but may also improve the surviability of the silicone hose by preventing the clip from eating into it. Duncan McF ----Original Message---- From: graeme@gdbmk.co.uk Subj: Europa-List: Re: Water pipe replacement I have all the old pipes off (would have been easier with the cable based tool that arrived this afternoon ! In the end I removed the carbs, inlet manifolds, oil tank and exhaust to gain good access. I want to retain the rotax constant compression spring clips but I still have the issue that they don't expand enough to go over the silicon on the knuckle. The ASH silicon pipe (3 ply) is 4.5 thick and the knuckle 19 so they need to open at least 28mm. The clips are marked TS and 25 and open 25 mm max dia. If people have them 'slipping on' then either they are using thinner walled pipe (say 1 ply), different clips (say CBT-25.2 -W1 from HCL or using worm type clips. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis AP, PAW, PFLARM core, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus, SmartA3 325 hours &amp; 6 years on the Mono, 930 total g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477267#477267 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:06 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Water pipe replacement From: "graeme bird" The new tube is fatter, not thinner. It looks like I can grind off the tabs that limit the opening (these don't seem to be there on some engines) this should allow another 1.5 mm diameter which looks enough. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis AP, PAW, PFLARM core, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus, SmartA3 325 hours & 6 years on the Mono, 930 total g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477271#477271 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:57 AM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Water pipe replacement Might I suggest that you put the clip on the metal pipe first and then push the hose into it. That way you dont have to try and get the clip over the knuckle. Alan G-OBJT > On 14 Jan 2018, at 10:19, graeme bird wrote: > > > The new tube is fatter, not thinner. It looks like I can grind off the tabs that limit the opening (these don't seem to be there on some engines) this should allow another 1.5 mm diameter which looks enough. > > -------- > Graeme Bird > G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis AP, PAW, PFLARM core, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus, SmartA3 > 325 hours & 6 years on the Mono, 930 total > g(at)gdbmk.co.uk > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477271#477271 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:35 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Water pipe replacement From: "Nigel Graham" Hi Graham, The trick is to hold the clamps open with Mole grips (over centre and locked) then you can easily manipulate the clamps into place on the alloy pipe stubs BEFORE you slide the pipes on. With a bit of dexterity, you can slide the pipe on fully while sliding the clamp back over it. Then release the Mole grips. Always make sure you leave the "tangs" in such a position that you can get the Mole grips on again, should you ever need to move them. Works a treat for me! Nigel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477273#477273 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:08 AM PST US From: Erich Trombley Subject: Europa-List: Re: Water pipe replacement Graeme wrote, I want to retain the rotax constant compression spring clips but I still have the issue that they don't expand enough to go over the silicon on the knuckle. I found that If I slipped the hose clamp onto the nipple first (of the component you are attaching the hose to), I could then expand the hose clamp and slide the new silicone tubing onto the nipple and under the hose clamp. Then just release the clamp. No need to slide the clamp over the knuckle. Also, if I recall correctly, I applied a film of coolant (Evans in my case) to the inside of the hose to aid in sliding it over the nipple. Good luck. Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 ____________________________________________________________ We Say GoodBye To Sally Fields iflperfecttouch.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5a5b7c57220087c56279ast04duc ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:10 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Water pipe replacement From: "graeme bird" Sorted now. I managed to grind off some of the tab that limits rotax clip opening and they can now be put on from the tube end. A little washing up liquid and some pliers with a slot ground in each jaw about 3mm up helped. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis AP, PAW, PFLARM core, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus, SmartA3 325 hours & 6 years on the Mono, 930 total g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477276#477276 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:34 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Europa-List: Dynon rebooted twice in flight My dynon which has behaved itself impeccably up to now suddenly rebooted twice in flight and then behaved itself again. Anyone had a similar experience? It brought home to me the need for a back up attitude indicator. Will ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon rebooted twice in flight From: david park Did it get too hot? Dave Park G-LDVO > On 14 Jan 2018, at 21:23, William Daniell wrote: > > My dynon which has behaved itself impeccably up to now suddenly rebooted twice in flight and then behaved itself again. > > Anyone had a similar experience? > > It brought home to me the need for a back up attitude indicator. > > Will ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon rebooted twice in flight From: Martin Tuck <> Are you allowed to fly IMC? If not I thought the horizon would be sufficient - unless you can fly at night I guess. If you are I didn't think the Dynon systems were only certified for VMC. I think I would want a back up airspeed indicator and possibly an altimeter. Regards, Martin Tuck On 1/14/2018 3:50 PM, david park wrote: > It brought home to me the need for a back up attitude indicator. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:23 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Air inlets manifold o rings From: "graeme bird" Thanks for all the help on water pipe clips. In the process of removing the pipes I removed the air inlet manifolds. The o rings looked pretty flattened and I am wondering whether I should replace them or use some small amount of liquid gasket from a tube? I am aware you don't want a leak here and sucking in air. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis AP, PAW, PFLARM core, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus, SmartA3 325 hours & 6 years on the Mono, 930 total g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477304#477304 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.