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1. 01:26 AM - Re: Air inlets manifold o rings (Remi Guerner)
2. 04:20 AM - Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (John Wighton)
3. 05:20 AM - Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (William Daniell)
4. 05:29 AM - Re: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (William Daniell)
5. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
6. 08:10 AM - Panel cut out template (=?utf-8?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=C3=B8rensen?=)
7. 08:27 AM - AW: Panel cut out template (A. Buess Aviatik)
8. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (Pete)
9. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (Pete)
10. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (houlihan tim)
11. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (William Daniell)
12. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (Pete)
13. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (Bud Yerly)
14. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (Bud Yerly)
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Subject: | Re: Air inlets manifold o rings |
Graeme,
Good practice is to replace any o-ring after removal, especially when they are
used in high temperature conditions. It is a cheap insurance. Do not mess with
sealing stuff which could be sucked into the engine!
regards
Remi
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Subject: | Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight |
In the UK it is mandated to have backups of both airspeed and altimeter. For good
reason.
Recently some members even managed to get approval for backups that are digital
instruments - based on a safety case that they are no less reliable than conventional
electric/vacuum gauges. Obviously need battery backups and be wired
on separate circuits.
The Dynon D2 looks ideal as a backup. I have a Dynon D10A which acts as a full
6-pack augmenting the steam gauges. Oddly l prefer the steam gauge display as
they take less time to check (on account of the needle positions being stored
as a 'picture' in one's head). Dr Joyce may be able to expand on this in medical
terms?
Regarding IFR, individual aircraft are being assessed in the UK for eligibility
for night/IFR use. I believe that Dynon displays may be considered acceptable
even without TSO (???)
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John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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Subject: | Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight |
That is a possibility and it was a warm day. It did look kinda like that
too.
I am going to add some plastic tubing to take cool air from the intakes to
the back of the panel next weekend.
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
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On Jan 14, 2018 16:52, "david park" <dpark748@me.com> wrote:
>
> Did it get too hot?
>
> Dave Park G-LDVO
>
>
> > On 14 Jan 2018, at 21:23, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > My dynon which has behaved itself impeccably up to now suddenly rebooted
> twice in flight and then behaved itself again.
> >
> > Anyone had a similar experience?
> >
> > It brought home to me the need for a back up attitude indicator.
> >
> > Will
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Subject: | Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight |
John
yes I have airspeed and rpm in round instruments. I figure I can get alt
from my GPS
However I have grown rather addicted to the synthetic vision and autopilot
and it is a bit disconcerting when it goes blank. I can imagine that it
would be a tad more disconcerting if one were in IFR....Im very glad it
happened now and not half way between Curacao and the Dom Rep....
I have been mulling this over and am thinking that I need to rebuild the
panel - taking my time as opposed to rushing to get in the air. I will
- tidy up my electrical installation using blade fuzes instead of bulky
and heavy CBs - this will free up a lot of space in the panel and reduce
weight
- include a second 7" dynon and adahrs
- and while Ive got the panel off include the sensor wires that I should
have included to start with.
Things happen for a reason.
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Jan 15, 2018 07:28, "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net> wrote:
In the UK it is mandated to have backups of both airspeed and altimeter.
For good reason.
Recently some members even managed to get approval for backups that are
digital instruments - based on a safety case that they are no less reliable
than conventional electric/vacuum gauges. Obviously need battery backups
and be wired on separate circuits.
The Dynon D2 looks ideal as a backup. I have a Dynon D10A which acts as a
full 6-pack augmenting the steam gauges. Oddly l prefer the steam gauge
display as they take less time to check (on account of the needle positions
being stored as a 'picture' in one's head). Dr Joyce may be able to expand
on this in medical terms?
Regarding IFR, individual aircraft are being assessed in the UK for
eligibility for night/IFR use. I believe that Dynon displays may be
considered acceptable even without TSO (???)
--------
John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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Subject: | Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight |
John, Certainly in the UK a Garmin G5 is now considered adequate back up
for an EFIS, with no requirement for steam age ASI& Altimeter. I have no
medical view of relative value of steam age engine instruments vs a
modern Engine Monitoring system, but I have strong non medical views on
the value of an EMS monitoring itself, as opposed to you needing to do a
FREDA every 15 mins. In practise I suspect that few actually manage to
check their engine instruments as often as that, and something could go
pear shaped in between times, whereas an EMS checks constantly and makes
it obvious to you if anything has strayed from the norm. On top of that,
as someone who has had the fortune to survive three direct head on
encounters, as I was looking out and saw them in time, whereas the other
pilot steamed straight ahead, apparently in the middle of a FREDA, I am
keen to spend as little time as possible eyes down!
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2018-01-15 12:19, John Wighton wrote:
>
> In the UK it is mandated to have backups of both airspeed and altimeter. For
good reason.
>
> Recently some members even managed to get approval for backups that are digital
instruments - based on a safety case that they are no less reliable than conventional
electric/vacuum gauges. Obviously need battery backups and be wired
on separate circuits.
>
> The Dynon D2 looks ideal as a backup. I have a Dynon D10A which acts as a full
6-pack augmenting the steam gauges. Oddly l prefer the steam gauge display as
they take less time to check (on account of the needle positions being stored
as a 'picture' in one's head). Dr Joyce may be able to expand on this in medical
terms?
>
> Regarding IFR, individual aircraft are being assessed in the UK for eligibility
for night/IFR use. I believe that Dynon displays may be considered acceptable
even without TSO (???)
>
> --------
> John Wighton
> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
>
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Subject: | Panel cut out template |
Hi
Anyone who have a instrument panel template laying around ??
Can't fine mine, and I am going to overhaul my panel now.
Loan or buy :)
Regards
Gert
OY-GDS
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Subject: | Panel cut out template |
Hi Gert
I have CAD files of the panel for a XS monowheel. If it=C2=B4s useful
for you I can send them to you in one oft he popular file formats (.dwg
or other).
Regards, Alfred
=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2
=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8
=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8=C2=A8
Alfred Buess
CH-3700 Spiez, Switzerland
Europa XS HB-YKI, Ercoupe 415-E N94804
Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Gert
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Gesendet: Montag, 15. Januar 2018 17:10
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Betreff: Europa-List: Panel cut out template
Hi
Anyone who have a instrument panel template laying around ??
Can't fine mine, and I am going to overhaul my panel now.
Loan or buy :)
Regards
Gert
OY-GDS
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Subject: | Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight |
FWIW, I wouldn't fly dynon IFR - lose pitot and you lose attitude too.
Cheers and blue skies,
Pete
A239
> On Jan 15, 2018, at 7:19 AM, John Wighton <john@wighton.net> wrote:
>
> Wighton
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Subject: | Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight |
Keep in mind, common pitot, so duplicate potential attitude failure.
Not a bad idea to use a different vendor as a backup - different software bu
gs. One thing that grand rapids dos very well: it does not depend on gps or
pitot for consistent and reliable attitude.
Cheers,
Pete
> On Jan 15, 2018, at 8:29 AM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> John
>
> yes I have airspeed and rpm in round instruments. I figure I can get alt f
rom my GPS
>
> However I have grown rather addicted to the synthetic vision and autopilot
and it is a bit disconcerting when it goes blank. I can imagine that it wo
uld be a tad more disconcerting if one were in IFR....Im very glad it happen
ed now and not half way between Curacao and the Dom Rep....
>
> I have been mulling this over and am thinking that I need to rebuild the p
anel - taking my time as opposed to rushing to get in the air. I will
> - tidy up my electrical installation using blade fuzes instead of bulky a
nd heavy CBs - this will free up a lot of space in the panel and reduce weig
ht
> - include a second 7" dynon and adahrs
> - and while Ive got the panel off include the sensor wires that I should h
ave included to start with.
>
> Things happen for a reason.
>
> Will
>
>
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +57 310 295 0744
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2018 07:28, "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net> wrote:
>
> In the UK it is mandated to have backups of both airspeed and altimeter.
For good reason.
>
> Recently some members even managed to get approval for backups that are di
gital instruments - based on a safety case that they are no less reliable th
an conventional electric/vacuum gauges. Obviously need battery backups and b
e wired on separate circuits.
>
> The Dynon D2 looks ideal as a backup. I have a Dynon D10A which acts as a
full 6-pack augmenting the steam gauges. Oddly l prefer the steam gauge di
splay as they take less time to check (on account of the needle positions be
ing stored as a 'picture' in one's head). Dr Joyce may be able to expand on
this in medical terms?
>
> Regarding IFR, individual aircraft are being assessed in the UK for eligib
ility for night/IFR use. I believe that Dynon displays may be considered ac
ceptable even without TSO (???)
>
> --------
> John Wighton
> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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Subject: | Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight |
Hi .
Are you saying attitude info is lost if you loose pitot or static.
How does that work ? I thought attitude can be guessed at using GPS , change of
heading means banking into the turn, but what effect does pitot have on the
attitude indication. In my mind no gyro's ( electronic or mechanical ) means no
reliable attitude info.
Of course very clever electronics and software can do wonders !
Tim H
>
> On 15 January 2018 at 18:37 Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> FWIW, I wouldn't fly dynon IFR - lose pitot and you lose attitude too.
> Cheers and blue skies,
> Pete
> A239
>
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Subject: | Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight |
Pete
very good point...hadn't thought of that. I will look at GRT and some of
the portable options Leveil + naviator is one that catches my eye.
flying completely VFR all the time here is hard so everyone cheats a little
from time to time (except me of course)
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
> Keep in mind, common pitot, so duplicate potential attitude failure.
>
> Not a bad idea to use a different vendor as a backup - different software
> bugs. One thing that grand rapids dos very well: it does not depend on gps
> or pitot for consistent and reliable attitude.
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
>
> On Jan 15, 2018, at 8:29 AM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> John
>
> yes I have airspeed and rpm in round instruments. I figure I can get alt
> from my GPS
>
> However I have grown rather addicted to the synthetic vision and autopilot
> and it is a bit disconcerting when it goes blank. I can imagine that it
> would be a tad more disconcerting if one were in IFR....Im very glad it
> happened now and not half way between Curacao and the Dom Rep....
>
> I have been mulling this over and am thinking that I need to rebuild the
> panel - taking my time as opposed to rushing to get in the air. I will
> - tidy up my electrical installation using blade fuzes instead of bulky
> and heavy CBs - this will free up a lot of space in the panel and reduce
> weight
> - include a second 7" dynon and adahrs
> - and while Ive got the panel off include the sensor wires that I should
> have included to start with.
>
> Things happen for a reason.
>
> Will
>
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +57 310 295 0744
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2018 07:28, "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net> wrote:
>
>
> In the UK it is mandated to have backups of both airspeed and altimeter.
> For good reason.
>
> Recently some members even managed to get approval for backups that are
> digital instruments - based on a safety case that they are no less reliable
> than conventional electric/vacuum gauges. Obviously need battery backups
> and be wired on separate circuits.
>
> The Dynon D2 looks ideal as a backup. I have a Dynon D10A which acts as a
> full 6-pack augmenting the steam gauges. Oddly l prefer the steam gauge
> display as they take less time to check (on account of the needle positions
> being stored as a 'picture' in one's head). Dr Joyce may be able to expand
> on this in medical terms?
>
> Regarding IFR, individual aircraft are being assessed in the UK for
> eligibility for night/IFR use. I believe that Dynon displays may be
> considered acceptable even without TSO (???)
>
> --------
> John Wighton
> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477308#477308
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Subject: | Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight |
As one of Levil's initial customers with their ahrsg-mini (still working in
my hummel), i like their product, but really like http://www.talosavionics.
com/ better from an ahrs and display software perspective.
For those already with a GRT engine monitor, their solid little mini is the o
bvious choice....a reall great pice of kit.
Imho of course :-)
Cheers,
Pete
> On Jan 15, 2018, at 2:58 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Pete
>
> very good point...hadn't thought of that. I will look at GRT and some of t
he portable options Leveil + naviator is one that catches my eye.
>
> flying completely VFR all the time here is hard so everyone cheats a littl
e from time to time (except me of course)
>
> Will
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +57 310 295 0744
>
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>> Keep in mind, common pitot, so duplicate potential attitude failure.
>>
>> Not a bad idea to use a different vendor as a backup - different software
bugs. One thing that grand rapids dos very well: it does not depend on gps
or pitot for consistent and reliable attitude.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Pete
>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 8:29 AM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.co
m> wrote:
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> yes I have airspeed and rpm in round instruments. I figure I can get al
t from my GPS
>>>
>>> However I have grown rather addicted to the synthetic vision and autopil
ot and it is a bit disconcerting when it goes blank. I can imagine that it w
ould be a tad more disconcerting if one were in IFR....Im very glad it happe
ned now and not half way between Curacao and the Dom Rep....
>>>
>>> I have been mulling this over and am thinking that I need to rebuild the
panel - taking my time as opposed to rushing to get in the air. I will
>>> - tidy up my electrical installation using blade fuzes instead of bulk
y and heavy CBs - this will free up a lot of space in the panel and reduce w
eight
>>> - include a second 7" dynon and adahrs
>>> - and while Ive got the panel off include the sensor wires that I shoul
d have included to start with.
>>>
>>> Things happen for a reason.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> William Daniell
>>> LONGPORT
>>> +57 310 295 0744
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2018 07:28, "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> In the UK it is mandated to have backups of both airspeed and altimeter.
For good reason.
>>>
>>> Recently some members even managed to get approval for backups that are d
igital instruments - based on a safety case that they are no less reliable t
han conventional electric/vacuum gauges. Obviously need battery backups and
be wired on separate circuits.
>>>
>>> The Dynon D2 looks ideal as a backup. I have a Dynon D10A which acts as
a full 6-pack augmenting the steam gauges. Oddly l prefer the steam gauge d
isplay as they take less time to check (on account of the needle positions b
eing stored as a 'picture' in one's head). Dr Joyce may be able to expand o
n this in medical terms?
>>>
>>> Regarding IFR, individual aircraft are being assessed in the UK for elig
ibility for night/IFR use. I believe that Dynon displays may be considered a
cceptable even without TSO (???)
>>>
>>> --------
>>> John Wighton
>>> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477308#477308
>>>
>>>
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Subject: | Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight |
Will,
I installed my first Dynon some 10 years ago and stayed away from the Skyvi
ew until they got the bugs out. Early Skyviews at the air shows were so ho
t you couldn=92t keep your hand on the back of it (over 120 for me) and the
D180 LED front plate got very hot also. They were also like the early Blu
e Mountain: If you push the buttons fast and often, it will hang up just w
hen you need it most. Software glitches also abound in all these computers
. Good news is all the manufacturers allow you to download your error file
and send it to the factory tech reps. Typically some sort of RMA or patch
has to be made as one piece of equipment talking to the PFD will cause an
error forcing the PFD to hang up. Best advise until you get everything sor
ted out: Fly in VFR and REBOOT! I still fly with a Blue Mountain Gen 4.
I have backup round dials, mag compass and a handheld. I=92m the departmen
t of redundant redundancy. The Gen 4 has never failed, but it is 8 years o
ld now, so its life is limited as with all electronics.
We in the experimental community can install many variations of equipment.
Certified cannot. If you have been following news, Dynon is getting certi
fied for a number of aircraft, and equipment do=92s and don=92ts are follow
ing.
Regarding Cooling of Avionics Only:
The D100, D180 and early Skyview have always had cooling issues. The only
solution here in Florida was a cockpit air fan blown over the instrument wh
ich at the time had no air inlet as on a GRT. I worked on cooling flow unt
il the inside the panel and internal temperature monitors installed in othe
r equipment showed temps that were well within their limitations and an ext
ra OAT put into the panel or use my remote thermocouple on my VTVM. My cock
pit ventilation was always good so drawing outside air to the panel was not
necessary.
The new Skyview CPU runs much cooler and has twin fans so here in Florida i
n many LSA aircraft, they are generally free of problems provided the panel
does not exceed 120 F, and the fan inlets are clear with good heat exit ou
t the top of the panel. Above 120 F in the panel, they seem to blank out o
r shut down. GRT has an internal temperature reading and I believe the Sky
view has one also, as well as warning flags. The problem with the smaller
Dynons (D10,100,180) is the screen goes blank but the unit can still be wor
king, which is kind of dumb. No warning, they just used to shut down. Tha
t has been cleared up on the new Skyview...
Normally outside air is not required to be funneled into the panel, but if
your Europa panel is tight, and there are other hot running instruments ins
talled, you may find a cooling fan and the tubes to be a reasonable investm
ent. You should also look at cooling exit from the panel as any air coming
in has to get the hot air out.
There are many ways to do this, from simple 25-40 mm cooling fans normally
used in a computer, to regular aircraft fan and tubing systems shown in Air
craft Spruce. I=92m used to panels where I=92m putting 5 pounds of crap in
a three pound bag. As you can see in the example below, there is a three
hole Ameriking fan sucking from the passenger side footwell, with tubes goi
ng to the Garmin 430, one horizontally to the Dynon FD 180, another going t
o an EXP electronic buss under the radios covered in a custom box. Note th
ere are two fans in the top of the panel to exit the air out of the panel.
This keeps the panel internal temperature on the bench to exactly the ambi
ent room temp with everything running.
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Best Regards and keep testing to get all the bugs out,
Bud Yerly
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight
Pete
very good point...hadn't thought of that. I will look at GRT and some of t
he portable options Leveil + naviator is one that catches my eye.
flying completely VFR all the time here is hard so everyone cheats a little
from time to time (except me of course)
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com<mailto:peterz@z
utrasoft.com>> wrote:
Keep in mind, common pitot, so duplicate potential attitude failure.
Not a bad idea to use a different vendor as a backup - different software b
ugs. One thing that grand rapids dos very well: it does not depend on gps
or pitot for consistent and reliable attitude.
Cheers,
Pete
On Jan 15, 2018, at 8:29 AM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com<m
ailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>> wrote:
John
yes I have airspeed and rpm in round instruments. I figure I can get alt f
rom my GPS
However I have grown rather addicted to the synthetic vision and autopilot
and it is a bit disconcerting when it goes blank. I can imagine that it wo
uld be a tad more disconcerting if one were in IFR....Im very glad it happe
ned now and not half way between Curacao and the Dom Rep....
I have been mulling this over and am thinking that I need to rebuild the pa
nel - taking my time as opposed to rushing to get in the air. I will
- tidy up my electrical installation using blade fuzes instead of bulky a
nd heavy CBs - this will free up a lot of space in the panel and reduce wei
ght
- include a second 7" dynon and adahrs
- and while Ive got the panel off include the sensor wires that I should h
ave included to start with.
Things happen for a reason.
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Jan 15, 2018 07:28, "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net<mailto:john@wighton
.net>> wrote:
john@wighton.net>>
In the UK it is mandated to have backups of both airspeed and altimeter. F
or good reason.
Recently some members even managed to get approval for backups that are dig
ital instruments - based on a safety case that they are no less reliable th
an conventional electric/vacuum gauges. Obviously need battery backups and
be wired on separate circuits.
The Dynon D2 looks ideal as a backup. I have a Dynon D10A which acts as a
full 6-pack augmenting the steam gauges. Oddly l prefer the steam gauge di
splay as they take less time to check (on account of the needle positions b
eing stored as a 'picture' in one's head). Dr Joyce may be able to expand
on this in medical terms?
Regarding IFR, individual aircraft are being assessed in the UK for eligibi
lity for night/IFR use. I believe that Dynon displays may be considered ac
ceptable even without TSO (???)
--------
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Subject: | Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight |
Pete,
Wholeheartedly agree. I=92ve installed three of the iLevil=92s and find th
em virtually bullet proof. I install their top end unit which has to be ca
refully aligned in the panel, but basically trouble free after that.
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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 3:35:48 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight
As one of Levil's initial customers with their ahrsg-mini (still working i
n my hummel), i like their product, but really like http://www.talosavionic
s.com/<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fw
ww.talosavionics.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C485fc3114af94a44d0d708d55c58caa
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an ahrs and display software perspective.
For those already with a GRT engine monitor, their solid little mini is the
obvious choice....a reall great pice of kit.
Imho of course :-)
Cheers,
Pete
On Jan 15, 2018, at 2:58 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com<m
ailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>> wrote:
Pete
very good point...hadn't thought of that. I will look at GRT and some of t
he portable options Leveil + naviator is one that catches my eye.
flying completely VFR all the time here is hard so everyone cheats a little
from time to time (except me of course)
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com<mailto:peterz@z
utrasoft.com>> wrote:
Keep in mind, common pitot, so duplicate potential attitude failure.
Not a bad idea to use a different vendor as a backup - different software b
ugs. One thing that grand rapids dos very well: it does not depend on gps
or pitot for consistent and reliable attitude.
Cheers,
Pete
On Jan 15, 2018, at 8:29 AM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com<m
ailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>> wrote:
John
yes I have airspeed and rpm in round instruments. I figure I can get alt f
rom my GPS
However I have grown rather addicted to the synthetic vision and autopilot
and it is a bit disconcerting when it goes blank. I can imagine that it wo
uld be a tad more disconcerting if one were in IFR....Im very glad it happe
ned now and not half way between Curacao and the Dom Rep....
I have been mulling this over and am thinking that I need to rebuild the pa
nel - taking my time as opposed to rushing to get in the air. I will
- tidy up my electrical installation using blade fuzes instead of bulky a
nd heavy CBs - this will free up a lot of space in the panel and reduce wei
ght
- include a second 7" dynon and adahrs
- and while Ive got the panel off include the sensor wires that I should h
ave included to start with.
Things happen for a reason.
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Jan 15, 2018 07:28, "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net<mailto:john@wighton
.net>> wrote:
john@wighton.net>>
In the UK it is mandated to have backups of both airspeed and altimeter. F
or good reason.
Recently some members even managed to get approval for backups that are dig
ital instruments - based on a safety case that they are no less reliable th
an conventional electric/vacuum gauges. Obviously need battery backups and
be wired on separate circuits.
The Dynon D2 looks ideal as a backup. I have a Dynon D10A which acts as a
full 6-pack augmenting the steam gauges. Oddly l prefer the steam gauge di
splay as they take less time to check (on account of the needle positions b
eing stored as a 'picture' in one's head). Dr Joyce may be able to expand
on this in medical terms?
Regarding IFR, individual aircraft are being assessed in the UK for eligibi
lity for night/IFR use. I believe that Dynon displays may be considered ac
ceptable even without TSO (???)
--------
John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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