---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/16/18: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:24 AM - Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (Roland) 2. 01:30 AM - Re: Engine Over-cooling (Roland) 3. 04:14 AM - Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (Kingsley Hurst) 4. 04:39 AM - Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (William Daniell) 5. 05:16 AM - Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (Alan Burrill) 6. 05:53 AM - Can anyone send me the dimensiones of the instrument panel module? (William Daniell) 7. 06:06 AM - Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (Alan Burrill) 8. 07:44 AM - Re: Can anyone send me the dimensiones of the instrument panel module? (Rowland Carson) 9. 07:52 AM - Re: Can anyone send me the dimensiones of the instrument panel module? (William Daniell) 10. 07:55 AM - Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight (John Wigney) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:38 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight From: "Roland" peterz(at)zutrasoft.com wrote: > FWIW, I wouldn't fly dynon IFR - lose pitot and you lose attitude too. > [/quote] I don't think so. The Dynon manual says, that AI falls back on a (coupled) GPS - a Garmin Pilot 3 in my case, should static pitot fail. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477334#477334 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:57 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Engine Over-cooling From: "Roland" Made two similar flights the day before yesterday in about the same temperatures, but down low under an overcast (1500-2000ft). Now the CHT was 85C (thermostatic controlled) and oil 81C. I didn't expect that and my guess is, that the denser air results in a better cooling. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477335#477335 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:45 AM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon rebooted twice in flight Not rebooting but . . . . . I fly quite regularly with a friend who has a Dynon in his aircraft. I marvelled at the capability of the instrument until recently when just into the second 3.5 hr leg of a trip to fly the Morning Glory in the Gulf of Carpentaria. While on climb to 8500 ft, we encountered a very sharp bump whereupon we observed that the AH was completely inverted. We were in VFR conditions so it presented no problem. After flying for some time, it happily remained inverted but was operating quite normally otherwise. It was only after we turned it off and on again that it decided to amend its errant ways. We cannot be absolutely sure the bump caused the problem but it was immediately after the bump that we noticed it. This incident left a horrible taste in my mouth and I cannot help wondering what would have happened had we been in I.F. conditions. Even with two AH=99s, it would be very confusing to have one reading normally while the other was completely inverted. Just a hiccup I witnessed first hand. Kingsley in Oz ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:30 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon rebooted twice in flight Yes the dynon is amazing....but like all computers suffers from bugs. I mean if Microsoft with billions of operating systems out there still has major glitches what can we hope from a small volume company like dynon. Soooo.....what I think one needs, like bud says, is back ups and back ups for back ups. The conclusion I have come to after listening to all is a separate battery powered flight system (levil I think but could me a mini grt) + a Garmin GPS with turn coordinator. A handheld radio with headset adapter. Round guages for key engine parameters like Rpm map oil temp and maybe fuel pressure amps/volts. By the way....is there anyway to increase the range of a handheld....ground plane or perhaps to plug an airplane antenna into it? Once again it is always very useful to share. Thanks Will On Jan 16, 2018 07:17, "Kingsley Hurst" wrote: > Not rebooting but . . . . . > > I fly quite regularly with a friend who has a Dynon in his aircraft. I > marvelled at the capability of the instrument until recently when just in to > the second 3.5 hr leg of a trip to fly the Morning Glory in the Gulf of > Carpentaria. > > While on climb to 8500 ft, we encountered a very sharp bump whereupon we > observed that the AH was completely inverted. We were in VFR conditions so > it presented no problem. After flying for some time, it happily remained > inverted but was operating quite normally otherwise. It was only after w e > turned it off and on again that it decided to amend its errant ways. We > cannot be absolutely sure the bump caused the problem but it was > immediately after the bump that we noticed it. > > This incident left a horrible taste in my mouth and I cannot help > wondering what would have happened had we been in I.F. conditions. Even > with two AH=99s, it would be very confusing to have one reading nor mally > while the other was completely inverted. > > Just a hiccup I witnessed first hand. > > Kingsley in Oz > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:08 AM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon rebooted twice in flight The performance of a handheld will be improved if you use an airframe mounte d antenna, with suitable ground plane of course, and you=99ll find an i mprovement over the standard =9Crubber duck=9D antenna you get w ith most. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 16 Jan 2018, at 12:37, William Daniell wr ote: > > Yes the dynon is amazing....but like all computers suffers from bugs. I m ean if Microsoft with billions of operating systems out there still has maj or glitches what can we hope from a small volume company like dynon. > > Soooo.....what I think one needs, like bud says, is back ups and back ups for back ups. > > The conclusion I have come to after listening to all is a separate battery powered flight system (levil I think but could me a mini grt) + a Garmin GP S with turn coordinator. > > A handheld radio with headset adapter. > > Round guages for key engine parameters like Rpm map oil temp and maybe fue l pressure amps/volts. > > By the way....is there anyway to increase the range of a handheld....grou nd plane or perhaps to plug an airplane antenna into it? > > Once again it is always very useful to share. Thanks > > Will > >> On Jan 16, 2018 07:17, "Kingsley Hurst" wrote: >> Not rebooting but . . . . . >> >> I fly quite regularly with a friend who has a Dynon in his aircraft. I m arvelled at the capability of the instrument until recently when just into t he second 3.5 hr leg of a trip to fly the Morning Glory in the Gulf of Carpe ntaria. >> >> While on climb to 8500 ft, we encountered a very sharp bump whereupon we o bserved that the AH was completely inverted. We were in VFR conditions so i t presented no problem. After flying for some time, it happily remained inv erted but was operating quite normally otherwise. It was only after we turn ed it off and on again that it decided to amend its errant ways. We cannot b e absolutely sure the bump caused the problem but it was immediately after t he bump that we noticed it. >> >> This incident left a horrible taste in my mouth and I cannot help wonderi ng what would have happened had we been in I.F. conditions. Even with two A H=99s, it would be very confusing to have one reading normally while t he other was completely inverted. >> >> Just a hiccup I witnessed first hand. >> >> Kingsley in Oz >> >> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:53 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Europa-List: Can anyone send me the dimensiones of the instrument panel module? Does anyone have drawings/dimensions of the instrument panel - either the single sided one or the full width one? I am going to build a new instrument panel with squarer profile for screens. thanks Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:57 AM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon rebooted twice in flight I have just remove a GRT Horizen, circa 2003-4. It was showing its age and refused to boot onetime when I left aircraft in s unshine and console heated up so I suspect it was not happy with too much he at but never failed in flight. It also refused to boot one cold damp winters day and was a lot happier afte r I took it home and left in the central heated house for a few days after w hich it behaved. Power wise all the units combined seemed to have a current required of about 5 amps. Replacing with a Kanadia HORIS and EFIS which overall need about 500ma and a re lot lighter and don=99t appear to get warm after extensive bench ru nning. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 16 Jan 2018, at 12:37, William Daniell wr ote: > > Yes the dynon is amazing....but like all computers suffers from bugs. I m ean if Microsoft with billions of operating systems out there still has maj or glitches what can we hope from a small volume company like dynon. > > Soooo.....what I think one needs, like bud says, is back ups and back ups for back ups. > > The conclusion I have come to after listening to all is a separate battery powered flight system (levil I think but could me a mini grt) + a Garmin GP S with turn coordinator. > > A handheld radio with headset adapter. > > Round guages for key engine parameters like Rpm map oil temp and maybe fue l pressure amps/volts. > > By the way....is there anyway to increase the range of a handheld....grou nd plane or perhaps to plug an airplane antenna into it? > > Once again it is always very useful to share. Thanks > > Will > >> On Jan 16, 2018 07:17, "Kingsley Hurst" wrote: >> Not rebooting but . . . . . >> >> I fly quite regularly with a friend who has a Dynon in his aircraft. I m arvelled at the capability of the instrument until recently when just into t he second 3.5 hr leg of a trip to fly the Morning Glory in the Gulf of Carpe ntaria. >> >> While on climb to 8500 ft, we encountered a very sharp bump whereupon we o bserved that the AH was completely inverted. We were in VFR conditions so i t presented no problem. After flying for some time, it happily remained inv erted but was operating quite normally otherwise. It was only after we turn ed it off and on again that it decided to amend its errant ways. We cannot b e absolutely sure the bump caused the problem but it was immediately after t he bump that we noticed it. >> >> This incident left a horrible taste in my mouth and I cannot help wonderi ng what would have happened had we been in I.F. conditions. Even with two A H=99s, it would be very confusing to have one reading normally while t he other was completely inverted. >> >> Just a hiccup I witnessed first hand. >> >> Kingsley in Oz >> >> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:28 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Can anyone send me the dimensiones of the instrument panel module? On 2018-01-16, at 13:53, William Daniell wrote: > Does anyone have drawings/dimensions of the instrument panel - either the single sided one or the full width one? Will - I can send you a CAD file of the main panel (including the standard factory-supplied holes). Can you read .DXF files? If not, I can add dimensions and send it as a PDF. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:23 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Can anyone send me the dimensiones of the instrument panel module? Rowland can you send PDF please thanks Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Rowland Carson wrote: > > > > On 2018-01-16, at 13:53, William Daniell > wrote: > > > > Does anyone have drawings/dimensions of the instrument panel - either > the single sided one or the full width one? > > > Will - I can send you a CAD file of the main panel (including the standard > factory-supplied holes). Can you read .DXF files? If not, I can add > dimensions and send it as a PDF. > > in friendship > > Rowland > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:29 AM PST US From: John Wigney Subject: Europa-List: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight To all, I agree with Pete. I have used a Dynon D10A in my panel since 2003 and I have found it to be satisfactory after some some significant initial problems. However, as Pete mentions, Dynon has a strange algorithm to provide data to the horizon and if there is a problem with the pitot / static input or if there is an internal leak, the indication will be incorrect. (Been there done that - it is very strange to be flying straight and level VFR and the D10A horizon oscillates up and down or does a slow bank.) If I was doing the panel again, I would use a Grand Rapids Mini-B, Mini-X or Mini-AP EFIS. http://grtavionics.com/home/efis-systems/mini-series-efis/ My experience is that Grand Rapids makes rock solid equipment. Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S, 1,000 hours /Time: 10:39:32 AM PST US From: Pete Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Dynon rebooted twice in flight FWIW, I wouldn't fly dynon IFR - lose pitot and you lose attitude too. 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